ChiefPowhatan17 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Jeff King TE out of Virginia Tech is going to be an impact TE in the NFL. Here is a guy who is a solid blocker and has great hands. I think he would be someone that we would look at. I have not seen his name on lists of people that we are interested in, but here is a guy who fits the new age TE who was a basketball player. What do you think? But, he probably will be gone early.:logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Gibbs Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I have been thinking the same thing about King. I love the fact that he is a solid blocker. The glut of talent at TE in the upcoming draft will likely push him further into the draft than he deserves to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Joe Hog Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Not many people here are high on this guy based on previous posts I've read. Like you, I am one who is high on him. He's not expected to be drafted until the mid-to-late rounds which is good for us if the Skins management decides to give him a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersmartbrunell5 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Couldn't agree more, King is very good. They better give him a long look or I'm gonna be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'm a UVA fan but I agree. Another solid TE with King's pass-catching abilities would lessen our need for a posession receiver and allow Robert Royal to take over Kozlowski's role as the #3 TE. Our QB, whoever that is, would have plenty of weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 He isn't exactly the "dynamic impact TE" you VA Tech homers seem to think... from NFL Draft Scout Jeff King Profile #10 TE, 5th-6th round projection Paraphrasing: He doesn't have the athletic ability to be that dynamic force. Lacks the speed/burst/acceleration to be a deep threat over the middle. Excellent blocker with soft hands but needs to add bulk. From ESPN Insider Scouts Inc. Jeff King TE | (6'4", 260, 4.85) | VIRGINIA TECH Scouts Grade: 34 View by: Player | NCAA School | Position | NFL Team | Flag | NFL Draft History You are signed into Insider and have access to the exclusive draft content below. Strengths: Possesses adequate size. Plays with a mean streak and never gives up on blocks. Doesn't take many false steps and is generally a fundamentally sound in-line blocker. Takes good angles to blocks and flashes the ability to get into position at the second level. Runs adequate short-to-intermediate routes and doesn't drop many passes that should catch. Has the wide frame to shield defenders from the ball, can make the tough catch in traffic and has the potential to develop into a productive red zone target. Has good hand-eye coordination and excellent leaping ability. Blocked a kick at the collegiate level and should contribute on special teams. Played on basketball team at Virginia Tech. Weaknesses: Does not show a second-gear when tracking the ball downfield. Is not much of a threat to stretch defenses vertically. While he runs with good power and is fluid, he lacks the elusiveness to consistently make defenders miss and the speed to out-run defenders after the catch. Does not possess ideal lower body strength and is not going to drive bigger defensive ends off the ball. Lacks ideal athletic ability and has some problems adjusting to the moving target at the second level. All in all doesn't seem like he is someone to target on the first day. But if he's available in the middle of day 2 the Skins can give him a look if they want to add depth to the TE position. But I wouldn't think he's gonna come in and impact the offense the way Cooley has done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Reminds me of Jamie Asher Has great hands, will make the 3rd and 10 catch, and finds a way to get open But as the season went on in 2005 teams started to key on him and shut him down a bit. His numbers were not as good in the last half of the season as they were in the first half I would take him at the start of the 2nd day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 He isn't exactly the "dynamic impact TE" you VA Tech homers seem to think...from NFL Draft Scout Jeff King Profile #10 TE, 5th-6th round projection Paraphrasing: He doesn't have the athletic ability to be that dynamic force. Lacks the speed/burst/acceleration to be a deep threat over the middle. Excellent blocker with soft hands but needs to add bulk. From ESPN Insider Scouts Inc. Jeff King TE | (6'4", 260, 4.85) | VIRGINIA TECH Scouts Grade: 34 View by: Player | NCAA School | Position | NFL Team | Flag | NFL Draft History You are signed into Insider and have access to the exclusive draft content below. Strengths: Possesses adequate size. Plays with a mean streak and never gives up on blocks. Doesn't take many false steps and is generally a fundamentally sound in-line blocker. Takes good angles to blocks and flashes the ability to get into position at the second level. Runs adequate short-to-intermediate routes and doesn't drop many passes that should catch. Has the wide frame to shield defenders from the ball, can make the tough catch in traffic and has the potential to develop into a productive red zone target. Has good hand-eye coordination and excellent leaping ability. Blocked a kick at the collegiate level and should contribute on special teams. Played on basketball team at Virginia Tech. Weaknesses: Does not show a second-gear when tracking the ball downfield. Is not much of a threat to stretch defenses vertically. While he runs with good power and is fluid, he lacks the elusiveness to consistently make defenders miss and the speed to out-run defenders after the catch. Does not possess ideal lower body strength and is not going to drive bigger defensive ends off the ball. Lacks ideal athletic ability and has some problems adjusting to the moving target at the second level. All in all doesn't seem like he is someone to target on the first day. But if he's available in the middle of day 2 the Skins can give him a look if they want to add depth to the TE position. But I wouldn't think he's gonna come in and impact the offense the way Cooley has done... ohhhh o.k. if ESPN insiders say he isn't a dynamic force on the field then that must means it's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpickering Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 ohhhh o.k. if ESPN insiders say he isn't a dynamic force on the field then that must means it's true I usually like to go by what I saw on the football field. This guy simply makes plays. The fact that he is a good blocker pretty much seals it. I hope he is available in the 5th round because if he is then we should pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 ohhhh o.k. if ESPN insiders say he isn't a dynamic force on the field then that must means it's true Well in terms of credibility who has more... Two separate and independent draft scouts that are PAID for the work they do... OR A bunch of biased Hokie fans salivating over getting some slow white guy on the team to play TE who just happened to catch a few passes for their favorite college team? He can be a solid NFL TE, I'm not doubting that, but an "impact player" he is not... When I think "impact player" at the TE position they are guys like Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates. Jeff King is more in the line of a Kyle Brady type TE who can be a good blocker and check down receiver but will not need to be gameplanned around and certainly won't stretch the middle of the field like the Gonzalez/Gates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpickering Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Well in terms of credibility who has more...Two separate and independent draft scouts that are PAID for the work they do... OR A bunch of biased Hokie fans salivating over getting some slow white guy on the team to play TE who just happened to catch a few passes for their favorite college team? He can be a solid NFL TE, I'm not doubting that, but an "impact player" he is not... When I think "impact player" at the TE position they are guys like Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates. Jeff King is more in the line of a Kyle Brady type TE who can be a good blocker and check down receiver but will not need to be gameplanned around and certainly won't stretch the middle of the field like the Gonzalez/Gates... I find it very ironic that question the credibility of Hokie fans and suggest that we should defer to the opinions of these independent draft scouts yet somehow your opinion is credible? Also why do you make a point to throw in that King is white. What does the color of his skin have to do with anything? The fact of the matter is, Jeff King is a reliable pass catcher and a great blocker.... and we could use an upgrade at TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long n Left Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 This is the kind of guy I've been hoping the Skins would pick up either via draft or FA. Many on this board are hyping a pass catching, more finesse type TE, but I think with Cooley already aboard the Skins should be looking for a Don Warren mold TE; a guy who is a tremendous blocker, and can occasionally get out in patterns and will catch almost anything. That said, I don't think spending a draft choice prior to the fifth round on a player like this is a wise move. I've also been impressed with what I've seen from King in the games I've watched-- maybe he'll be available when we pick in rounds 5-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefPowhatan17 Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Well in terms of credibility who has more...Two separate and independent draft scouts that are PAID for the work they do... OR A bunch of biased Hokie fans salivating over getting some slow white guy on the team to play TE who just happened to catch a few passes for their favorite college team? He can be a solid NFL TE, I'm not doubting that, but an "impact player" he is not... When I think "impact player" at the TE position they are guys like Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates. Jeff King is more in the line of a Kyle Brady type TE who can be a good blocker and check down receiver but will not need to be gameplanned around and certainly won't stretch the middle of the field like the Gonzalez/Gates... Schwartz, you don't need to be a hater, just cause you obviously have an infinity towards Tech. Maybe it's cause you're a JMU guy and you got use to losing for years to Tech. I think you have never seen this guy play. He always caught the ball when thrown to and made crucial blocks. Look, as Skins fans we are always looking for talent in overlooked guys. Don't Hate Tech, you just make yourself look foolish. By the way there are not many TE's in the league that stretch the field. You need a guy who can catch over the middle dump passes and block. Warren didn't stretch the field. Oh, you might not remember that, you're young.:logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 He doesn't need to be a deep threat If he is a solid blocker and has reliable hands, using a midround pick on him to be a checkdown receiver ie the 4th option is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokie_Skinz Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 He doesn't need to be a deep threatIf he is a solid blocker and has reliable hands, using a midround pick on him to be a checkdown receiver ie the 4th option is a good thing. That was pretty much what he was used for when Randall was the QB at VT. He became a little more of a 2nd or 3rd guy when Vick was QB, but he wasn't as good of a QB mentally as Randall was. Now, I would definitly like to have King on the team, but I would not like to see the team pursue him early. If he is available 6th round, and the team has addressed other issues, then I would say go for it. Anything sooner than that, and I think it might be too much of a risk, even though I love the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordash Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hope Gibbs has played some NCAA 2006 because he was money in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slammer Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Schwartz, you don't need to be a hater, just cause you obviously have an infinity towards Tech. Maybe it's cause you're a JMU guy and you got use to losing for years to Tech. I think you have never seen this guy play. He always caught the ball when thrown to and made crucial blocks. Look, as Skins fans we are always looking for talent in overlooked guys. Don't Hate Tech, you just make yourself look foolish. By the way there are not many TE's in the league that stretch the field. You need a guy who can catch over the middle dump passes and block. Warren didn't stretch the field. Oh, you might not remember that, you're young.:logo: Damn, an infinity towards Tech...can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Or just a not making sense thing. As for King, he wouldn't be a bad guy to get with a late round pick - with our TEs he would probably have a decent chance to make the team, unlike most of those late rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefPowhatan17 Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Damn, an infinity towards Tech...can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Or just a not making sense thing. I think I was not making sense, I meant an infinite hate towards VT. When someone starts off by calling Hokie fans names in there first sentence, their hate runs deep, that's what I meant. I think it's always good to want our local boys to do well and play for the hometeam, no matter if they're from MD,DC, VA, or NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigyim Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Ok, since we are obbsessed with finding an "objective source" about the ability of Jeff King, how about we just defer to Donnie Warren himself? He's on the staff as a scout, was the best blocking TE that Gibbs ever had (mentioned in his HOF speech, I may add), and is very familiar with Tech athletes, since he sent a lot of football player there from his work at Centreville HS. If they choose him on the 1st day, in the middle rounds or at the end of the draft, it won't be because they "reached"...Warren will know his value to the 'skins, as a blocker and reciever, and will target him accordingly. That's what scouts do...much better than fans do, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikalax2 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I dont know much about jeff king or much about many TE's comming out, but I definitely would rather draft a TE over a WR just because I think they would have a better chance of making an impact right away. Oh and I think royal has to go, I'de rather have another tackle out there instead of him.....might make more receptions tooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indaslums Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 will he fall to 5th round?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpickering Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 That was pretty much what he was used for when Randall was the QB at VT. He became a little more of a 2nd or 3rd guy when Vick was QB, but he wasn't as good of a QB mentally as Randall was. Now, I would definitly like to have King on the team, but I would not like to see the team pursue him early. If he is available 6th round, and the team has addressed other issues, then I would say go for it. Anything sooner than that, and I think it might be too much of a risk, even though I love the guy. I think he would be worth the 5th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I think he'd be a good fit for us. I wouldn't mind picking him up in the 3rd or 5th Round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Schwartz, you don't need to be a hater, just cause you obviously have an infinity towards Tech. Maybe it's cause you're a JMU guy and you got use to losing for years to Tech. I think you have never seen this guy play. He always caught the ball when thrown to and made crucial blocks. Look, as Skins fans we are always looking for talent in overlooked guys. Don't Hate Tech, you just make yourself look foolish. By the way there are not many TE's in the league that stretch the field. You need a guy who can catch over the middle dump passes and block. Warren didn't stretch the field. Oh, you might not remember that, you're young.:logo: Are you even reading the friggin post? I said he can be a solid NFL TE, a Kyle Brady type. But to claim this guy is gonna come in and light the NFL on fire and be some kind of "impact player" as original poster claimed is just being a Tech Homer. The guy you describe IS NOT AN IMPACT PLAYER, which is my only claim. Thanks for helping me prove my point. Maybe we are all confused as to what an IMPACT PLAYER is? I've already stated he's a good pickup on day 2, and I would be upset if Gibbs wasted one of his top 2 picks on him. Would I be devastated? No. Wouldn't even be surprised. Gibbs has already had two VERY questionable drafts, why not expect another... I haven't said he sucks and will be a horrible waste of a roster spot. I haven't claimed Tech sucks and every player that system produces fails in the NFL. I haven't said anything bad about the players of VT only that the fans are a little biased in their opinions of the players on their team...which is being fleshed out right now with this asanine argument where you are making my points for me... As for the whole JMU/VT thing, only one of those teams has won a National Championship...and I'm really not caught up in any kind of "hate" towards a team or another group of players simply because they are what they are. I don't even hate Cowboy fans, I have several friends who are Boys fans. I have friends who are Eagles fans, it makes no sense to hate these people because they are fans of some sports team, there are more important things to know about a person than their affiliation to sports team that don't matter in the grand scheme of things... As for being too young to remember Don Warren. How does that affect anything about Jeff King? Does it matter that I didn't see Kellen Winslow I play? But I could certainly still claim he was an IMPACT TE. Don Warren was not an IMPACT TE. If you want to compare Jeff King to Don Warren you would have to agree that Jeff King is not an IMPACT TE. Unless you have some distorted belief as to what an IMPACT TE is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skindogger47 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Well in terms of credibility who has more...Two separate and independent draft scouts that are PAID for the work they do... OR A bunch of biased Hokie fans salivating over getting some slow white guy on the team to play TE who just happened to catch a few passes for their favorite college team? He can be a solid NFL TE, I'm not doubting that, but an "impact player" he is not... When I think "impact player" at the TE position they are guys like Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates. Jeff King is more in the line of a Kyle Brady type TE who can be a good blocker and check down receiver but will not need to be gameplanned around and certainly won't stretch the middle of the field like the Gonzalez/Gates... I went to UVA and I hate Tech, but I want King and I'd also take Darryl Tapp if we can get them. King is a beast, and you need to take off the purple and gold glasses up there in H'burg and realize what this guy could bring to the team. If he's there in the fourth round, I'd take him in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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