dent19 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not to add to the "Race" debate, i just thought it was good FYI And maybe a reason it has never been in Madden yet. :point2sky Hail to the Redskins From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hail to the Redskins is the fight song for the Washington Redskins. It is the second oldest fight song for a professional American football team (after Go! You Packers! Go!, composed in 1931). Written in 1938, it was composed by band leader Barnee Breeskin. The lyrics were written by Corinne Griffith, the wife of the owner, George Preston Marshall. Her lyrics are different from the ones used today. Current lyrics Hail to the Redskins! Hail Vic-tor-y! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! Run or pass and score — we want a lot more! Beat 'em, Swamp 'em, Touchdown! — let the points soar! Fight on, fight on 'til you have won Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah! Hail to the Redskins! Hail Vic-tor-y! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! [edit] Original version The original version was changed to eliminate perceived racist undertones. Changed lyrics are bolded. Hail to the Redskins! Hail Vic-tor-y! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old Dixie! Scalp 'em, swamp 'em — We will take 'em big score Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown — we want heap more Fight on, Fight on — 'til you have won Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah! Hail to the Redskins! Hail Vic-tor-y! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old Dixie! [edit] Reasons for the change [edit] Reference to Dixie References to Dixie were changed to "D.C.", for two main reasons. First, it was seen as potentially racist against African-Americans. Second, the Washington Redskins were the one of the few Southern teams for several decades, but as more teams were added, the "Dixie" reference became somewhat irrelevant. Dixie refers to the American South, where slavery was practiced until the American Civil War. This reference was seen as potentially offensive to African-Americans, many of whom are descendants of slaves. Many Southerners, both black and white, do not feel that "Dixie" has any racist connotations; it simply refers to the South as a cultural center. For some, though, "Dixie" does carry racist undertones. Team owner George Preston Marshall, who has been called "the leading racist in the NFL", excluded African-American players until 1962. The lyric change, which occurred only after the team was integrated, was largely an attempt to disassociate the Redskins from previous racism against blacks. The Dixie reference may also seem confusing to those unfamiliar with the history of the NFL. Washington, DC is very close to the Mason-Dixon line, far from the center of the American South, but was always considered to be a part of the South, and in fact, until the beginning of the Civil War, did have slaves. Furthermore, in the late 1930s when Hail to the Redskins came into use, there were no other Southern teams in the league. When the NFL began considering Texas as the state to host a proposed expansion team, the move was strongly opposed by the Redskins owner, who had enjoyed a monopoly in the South for three decades. However, when the future owners of the Dallas Cowboys bought the rights to "Hail to the Redskins" and then told George Marshall that he would no longer be allowed to play the song at NFL games, the Redskins owner changed his tune. The Dallas Cowboys became a franchise in 1960. Eventually more Southern teams would be founded, making the Redskins' claim as "the professional football team of Dixie" increasingly inaccurate. Current Southern teams include: Dallas Cowboys (founded 1960) Atlanta Falcons (founded 1966) Miami Dolphins (founded 1966) New Orleans Saints (founded 1967) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (founded 1976) Carolina Panthers (founded 1995) Jacksonville Jaguars (founded 1995) Baltimore Ravens (founded 1996; note that Baltimore is even closer to the Mason-Dixon line than Washington) Tennessee Titans (moved from Houston in 1997) Houston Texans (founded 2002) [edit] Native American stereotypes The original lyrics were also racist against Native Americans. In this case, the racism was unambiguous: the reference to scalping and the phrases "take 'em big score" and "want heap more" are negative stereotypes against Native Americans. Scalping was practiced by a limited number of Native American groups — it is highly inaccurate to insinuate that the average Native American is a brutal warrior. The two phrases are equally inaccurate; a popular stereotype of early 20th century (popularized by Old West fiction) was that Native Americans did not speak proper English. Some Native American groups still take offensive to the lyrics in their present form. First, the song references the team name, Redskins. There has been considerable debate over whether the term "redskin" is a racial slur against Native Americans. Second, "braves on the warpath" is another stereotype, similar to the removed "scalping" reference. (Both phrases also refer back to the team's origin in Boston, being named after the Boston Braves. The updated version is seen as much less offensive, though not perfect. It remains one of the most popular and well-known fight songs in the NFL. I still like the song and want to here it when i score in Madden....oh yeah as many times as possible at FEDEX..... :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 how many times is this gonna get posted, no offense lol I would LOVE to hear it in Madden to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dent19 Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 how many times is this gonna get posted, no offense lol I would LOVE to hear it in Madden to i dont live on the board , i havent seen it yet, i know it was mentioned in other post. we need to fight, fight, fight to get it on Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Wikipedia is wrong. Here is a thread I created some time ago with research that I did and I think Rich Tandler added to nicely. The first appearance of Dixie was in 1959 and it disappeared shortly thereafter. If you want to say it appeared before then, I would LOVE to see proof (an actual program, media guide, team publication, etc.). http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82754 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Scalping was practiced by a limited number of Native American groups — it is highly inaccurate to insinuate that the average Native American is a brutal warrior. The two phrases are equally inaccurate; a popular stereotype of early 20th century (popularized by Old West fiction) was that Native Americans did not speak proper English.Some Native American groups still take offensive to the lyrics in their present form. First, the song references the team name, Redskins. There has been considerable debate over whether the term "redskin" is a racial slur against Native Americans. Second, "braves on the warpath" is another stereotype, similar to the removed "scalping" reference. (Both phrases also refer back to the team's origin in Boston, being named after the Boston Braves. The updated version is seen as much less offensive, though not perfect. It remains one of the most popular and well-known fight songs in the NFL That's fine. Lead the charge and get the Vikings and Fighting Irish done away with and I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerSkins Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 haha i love this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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