Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

[webnarc]

Those crazy lefties, they are all the same and they are all traitors. Not a single thing they say can possibly be true. As we all know, things are either 100% white or 100% black. Gray areas are for losers who want to compromise National Security.

Discussions are for people with weak convictions. Thankfully our president is a man of strong convictions.

conviction

n 1: an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence

Maybe ability to consider evidence is actually important in a President...

Truthiness is what matters here.

[dreamingwolf]

Really, that doesn't make Iraq sound very threatening.

If that is true maybe it is because Iraq didn't have two ****s of a WMD program after the Gulf War? (like some Leftists have claimed)

Regardless, No I don't know that (true or not), but neither do many others. [including the right wingers or else they would be clamoring for an invasion of Syria] So... your post is irrelevant

syria has always lead chem weapons in that region

"Since then Syria has developed a robust chemical weapons program, perhaps one of the most advanced in the Middle East, and a variety of delivery methods. The country is still very depending on outside assistance in procuring important precursor chemicals and equipment.

Apparently, during the early 80’s, a policy decision within the Syrian government, led to the rapid development of non-conventional weapons. It is likely this decision was the result of the realization that Syria could not reach conventional military parity with Israel.

"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/cw.htm

there bio exists there is just little shared data on it, so on that point I guess I can cede that iraqs known bio is > than syrias unknown capability but my guess would still be on the syrians being more advanced.

also if we were making decisions purely based on chem/bio weapons we should have nuked russia years ago. But Im sure in your vast wisdom and deep down in that fathomless mind of yours you know that just possessing those weapons is not the only dynamic involved when determining which nation is more dangerous than the other.

[Mad Mike]

You know what guys, I notice a VERY STRANGE parallel here that not many here have. One of the main points of rightwingers on this site, (all of the righties that posted in this thread minus Kilmer) claim that a problem with the left is that they root against America. Now, why are all you right wingers HAPPY that Syria has a stash of WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Could it be that you are happy that your party and leader were correct, despite this outcome being very bad for the US?

Hmmmmm, can't have it both ways

PS

the credibility of this author is questionable so I will wait to judge on the actual article if it is substantiated.

Dude. No one is happy Syria may have the weapons. What they and I are happy about is the evidence coming out that may give a better idea as to what happened to them. :doh:

[jbooma]

So the US that has spy sats, drones, and a massive air force......failed to notice a massive convoy of WMD loaded trucks exiting Iraq as our forces were building up along thier border? I'm sorry but I'm going to need some real evidence. It's not that I don't think it could happen, it's just that I feel I've already played this particular game. Fool me once....

Before the war we were not able to check out the entire country. If they were able to get guys from other countries in as well as money, it wouldn't be to hard to smuggle weapons out, we did not control that country at that point.

[jbooma]

What a freakin joke this is. People STILL don't get the fact that EVEN IF weapons were in his posession, they were LON LONG since past their usefullness date. The WMDs he possesed had a shelf life on the order of months, not decades. That is why it was so instrumental for the Bushies to say he was ACTIVE in MAKING WMDs, and not they were left over.

This is yet another bad argument about trying to justify the war by the righties because they've been caught in a eggregious blunder. So instead of admitting the mistake, they throw any crap against the wall to see what sticks.

And yes, the article said they were shipped in airliners, but does anyone think that we couldn't detect a massive movement of arms and supplies from the supposed WMD generating sites? It is simple amazing to me why people believe anything that remotely clings to their ideology, no matter how insanely ludicrous the assertion, and that is not singling out republicans because dems do the same thing.

Hello captian WMD so you know how long they stay active, tell that to all the mustard gas shells they keep finding in the ocean from WWII that are still a problem. Chom chemical weapons just don't vanish in to thin air so we do not have to worry about it :doh:

Until you give up this right vs left show, no one here cares what either side personally think, what we care about is where are these weapons and how do we dispose of them properly. Everything you say is to bash a side, yet you don't care about the big picture, which many do care about.

[cadets08]

And who didn't realize this??? Well you know who your are.

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Democrats have made the absence of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq a theme in their criticism of the Bush administration's decision to go to war in 2003. And President Bush himself has conceded much of the point; in a televised prime-time address to Americans last month, he said, "It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."

Continued..................

http://www.nysun.com/article/26514?page_no=1

I knew it.

[Ancalagon the Black]

While I believe this to be PART of the case, I have trouble listening to a guy who's trying to sell books.

You know, the first thing I thought of when I read this thread was, "I bet Kilmer17 won't use his 'this is a person selling books' line." You have proved me wrong, and I apologize for underestimating you.

[NoCalMike]

I love how people act like Iraq and other middle east countries aren't under INTENSE surveillence at all times. As if it all came down to one of our security guards falling asleep in front of the 13" b/w monitor, as the Iraqi passenger jet flew by Juuuuuuuuuuuust in the nick of time before the guard woke back up.

[chomerics]

I suppose you never heard of binary weapons?

Keeping the catylist seperate extends the safety and shelf life.

* 2004: May 14 Iraqi insurgency fighters in Iraq detonate a 155 mm shell containing several litres of binary precursors for sarin. The shell is designed to mix the chemicals as it spins during flight. The detonated shell releases only a small amount of sarin gas, either because the explosion failed to mix the binary agents properly or because the chemicals inside the shell had degraded significantly with age. Two United States soldiers are treated for exposure after displaying the early symptoms. [5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

Read the entire article, you will see that I was indeed right. . .

Shelf life

Sarin has a relatively short shelf life, and will degrade after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life may be greatly shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA [1], in 1989 the Iraqis destroyed 40 or more tons of sarin that had decomposed, and that some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks owing mostly to impure precursors.

So tell me again HOW to keep Sarin around for 10 years WITHOUT an active program in place? You can't, the two methods you mention "lengthen" the shelf life, but no where near 10 years.

[chomerics]

Hello captian WMD so you know how long they stay active, tell that to all the mustard gas shells they keep finding in the ocean from WWII that are still a problem. Chom chemical weapons just don't vanish in to thin air so we do not have to worry about it :doh:

Oh, so we were worried about mustard gas now??? Do you want to attack every other woman in NY city for carrying an WMD now???

Read the link from Wiki on sarin and specifically the shelf life, then come back and apologize for yet another post which completely ignores the argument posed by me.

Until you give up this right vs left show, no one here cares what either side personally think, what we care about is where are these weapons and how do we dispose of them properly. Everything you say is to bash a side, yet you don't care about the big picture, which many do care about.

Have you ever rationalized that he didn't HAVE any weapons? It's funny how many righties are still saying "where all the weapons went", yet you ignore the lack of evidence, and completely ignore the weapons inspectors conclusions about not possesing them.

[Sarge]

So the US that has spy sats, drones, and a massive air force......failed to notice a massive convoy of WMD loaded trucks exiting Iraq as our forces were building up along thier border?

Maybe we didn't

[Cdowwe]

I personally have believed this all along.

[CurseReversed]

sada said that the wmd's were brought to syria in 2003 under the cover of natural disaster in syria(damn breaking). He also said that he was 100 percent sure of this because many of the pilots who flew it were close friends of his and told him. I, like you, say to find them and get them to testify but like Sada said that is another problem in itself that will be tackled in the future. The idea that saddam was incapable of transporting these weapons without our knowledge is ridiculous. Just like ZoEd said so elegantly he didnt want to get caught with his pants down. Its only common sense like i said before that he would try and get rid of the evidence as quickly and shrewdly as possible, thats what criminals do, and those that have a whole country at their disposal do so with ease. The claim that saddam was not buddy buddy enough with syria to give them is also absurd, all of these guys are buddy buddy when it comes to undermining and fighting the U.S.

Also Sada also stated one other intresting fact that should be mentioned, that he personally met usama bin laden at an iraqi air force office in the eighties and it was reported that he was there for "economic reasons" I am not claiming this is the "link" that many claim not to exist, just pointing out that its naieve to think that these people do not associate.

I dont think its a good idea that syria now has the weapons or that we were unable to secure them. But i also dont think its a smart idea that just because they werent there when we got there that many can claim that they were "long gone" and therefore the war was a mistake.

Of course people will try to tear him down and challenge his credibility but it wont do any good. Because his testimony is just a confirmation of what most americans who used their common sense already suspected.

ZoEd that was a great post I for one appreciate your service and fully acknowledge and agree with all you have said about iraq. For anybody that really wants the truth when it comes to saddam you must see the Discovery-times documentaries

Inside saddam and Capturing saddam, the interview with the top iraqi nuclear scientist is the most telling IMO.

When Sada tells of how saddam was planning on flying a hundred planes filled with wmd to israel during gulf war one and he talked him out of it. You realize what saddam really was capable of.

[gbear]

Wait...so the link between Iraq and Osama was from the 80's?

Weren't we friendly with Osama in the 80's?

That's the link to terrorists that justified going after Iraq? I hope not. Seems like a huge lack of historical perspective.

[twa]

Read the entire article, you will see that I was indeed right. . .

So tell me again HOW to keep Sarin around for 10 years WITHOUT an active program in place? You can't, the two methods you mention "lengthen" the shelf life, but no where near 10 years.

Did you flunk chemistry? ,Or do you just ignore what goes against your beliefs. I deal with reactive chemicals every day.

THE NERVE AGENTS SARIN AND GF. WE ASSESS THAT MOST OF THE SARIN AND GF ARE

WEAPONIZE IN BINARY FORM AND DO NOT NOT SUFFER FROM THE LIMITED SHELF-LIFE

http:/globalsecurity.org/

[CurseReversed]

That's the link to terrorists that justified going after Iraq? I hope not. Seems like a huge lack of historical perspective.

no its a huge lack of reading comprehension on your part:doh:

[Winslowalrob]

sada said that the wmd's were brought to syria in 2003 under the cover of natural disaster in syria(damn breaking). He also said that he was 100 percent sure of this because many of the pilots who flew it were close friends of his and told him. I, like you, say to find them and get them to testify but like Sada said that is another problem in itself that will be tackled in the future. The idea that saddam was incapable of transporting these weapons without our knowledge is ridiculous. Just like ZoEd said so elegantly he didnt want to get caught with his pants down. Its only common sense like i said before that he would try and get rid of the evidence as quickly and shrewdly as possible, thats what criminals do, and those that have a whole country at their disposal do so with ease. The claim that saddam was not buddy buddy enough with syria to give them is also absurd, all of these guys are buddy buddy when it comes to undermining and fighting the U.S.

Also Sada also stated one other intresting fact that should be mentioned, that he personally met usama bin laden at an iraqi air force office in the eighties and it was reported that he was there for "economic reasons" I am not claiming this is the "link" that many claim not to exist, just pointing out that its naieve to think that these people do not associate.

I dont think its a good idea that syria now has the weapons or that we were unable to secure them. But i also dont think its a smart idea that just because they werent there when we got there that many can claim that they were "long gone" and therefore the war was a mistake.

Of course people will try to tear him down and challenge his credibility but it wont do any good. Because his testimony is just a confirmation of what most americans who used their common sense already suspected.

ZoEd that was a great post I for one appreciate your service and fully acknowledge and agree with all you have said about iraq. For anybody that really wants the truth when it comes to saddam you must see the Discovery-times documentaries

Inside saddam and Capturing saddam, the interview with the top iraqi nuclear scientist is the most telling IMO.

When Sada tells of how saddam was planning on flying a hundred planes filled with wmd to israel during gulf war one and he talked him out of it. You realize what saddam really was capable of.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but as gbear points out, during the 80's we had a, shall we say, different relationship with both Saddam and Osama. And if we, as a nation, are to be consistent in our reasons for going to war, what will we do with Syria? And if you are trying to place my political affiliation (for insult purposes), I am a wacky socialist.

[Air Force Cane]

what are you people talking about?!!

post some proof that we had ANY kind of a friendly relationship with Osama in the 1980's...

he was a low level mujahadeen during the war with the Soviets- very few in Washington even had heard his name..

[Winslowalrob]

what are you people talking about?!!

post some proof that we had ANY kind of a friendly relationship with Osama in the 1980's...

he was a low level mujahadeen during the war with the Soviets- very few in Washington even had heard his name..

Two things; lets say I can prove it, then what? I do not want to go the trouble if you are still going to be so loyal to your beliefs. Second; most of the mujhadeen were nuts anyways, take your pick amongst the current terrorists that fought in that conflict.

[Commander PK]

I have been saying this all along, as a real possibility of what may have happened to the WMD's. I'll wait until more information comes out in the open before drawing any conclusions, but if he IS telling the truth...what do we do about it?