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'We're the end of the American dream'

Ford employees leave the Wixom Assembly Plant, in Wixom, Michigan, which will close under the company's restructuring plans

Many Ford employees face an uncertain future

Jim McIlreavy, 34, from South Lyon, Michigan, has worked for Ford for seven years.

He gave the BBC News website his reaction to Monday's announcement that up to 30,000 Ford jobs are to go across North America.

Job layoffs are already taking effect at my factory.

I work at Ford's Woodhaven Stamping Plant outside Detroit, where we supply steel car parts for almost all of the Ford assembly plants in North America.

We watched the announcement of job cuts on television on Monday.

Many of us are going to have to sell our homes and move our families to wherever the work is

There were about 500 of us in the room and there was stony silence when the announcement was made.

We expected jobs to go, but not as many as 30,000.

We were told afterwards that in our factory the workforce will be cut from 1,670 to 1,500.

I'm not fully sure yet if I'll be one of these, but I expect to be.

I also know many of workers at the Wixom Assembly Plant, which is to close.

Heartbreaking

These cuts will really hit the state of Michigan hard.

Anyone who has worked in the car industry here for one of the 'Big Three' - Ford, General Motors, Chrysler - knows that you can make a lot of money in this industry.

We are living the American dream here.

A Ford employee at the Wixom Assembly Plant

The Ford job cuts come at a difficult time for the US car industry

But after Ford lays us off, many of us are going to have to sell our homes and move our families to wherever the work is.

That's a whole section of society that'll have to leave the state. We're the American middle class and we have roots here.

My father worked in steel manufacturing for the motor industry and my grandfather too.

If this industry disappears, we're the end of the middle class American dream.

It'll be really heartbreaking to see so many people leaving the state.

Just business

But this has been coming for a long time.

The 'Big Three' have been losing the market share for the past 10 years.

These companies have lost focus on what the customer really wants.

I'm not bitter about all this, it's just business and it's all about the bottom line

They kept building trucks, but people just can't afford to pay for the fuel for these gas guzzlers.

Also to blame is the high cost these companies need to spend on healthcare for their workers, because we've got a government that will not provide a socialised health care scheme - and I say that as neither a Republican nor a Democrat.

Obviously the increased competition from Japanese manufacturers has made it very difficult as well.

But I'm not bitter about all this. We don't blame the management. It's just business and it's all about the bottom line.

Ford is encouraging us to avail of its re-education programme so we can re-train and find new jobs. I may try to train as a software engineer.

I have a wife and two kids to support, so you just have to stay optimistic and move on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4644196.stm

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heyhole, your posts get more and more pathetic by the day.

Hmm, I wonder if that article was spun up to meet somebody's agenda. The guy's facing unemployment but laments the state of the US healthcare system? Gimme a break. And then he makes a point to say he's an ideological neutral. Please. To go out of his way to make a point of it, it's safe to say he's NOT.

Do you idiot liberals even fathom how expensive universal healthcare is?

"What are you talking about, universal healthcare is FREE" says the idiot liberal.

Nope, SORRY! Universal healcare isn't paid for with pixie dust. Ask the socialist, economically stagnant countries that tax their populace up the yin yang upwards to 60% of their yearly income. SIXTY PERCENT! That doesn't sound like the "American dream" to me unless you're Hillary Clinton or a few "comrades" on this board.

It's funny, when I was a contractor, I wasn't offered health insurance through my company but you know what I did? Brace yourself. I got health insurance all by myself. Crazy huh?

My ambition in life is to render the democratic party and its communist ilk a useless and mocked entity in this country. Though, dems are doing a pretty good job of it on their own. I guess when your enemy is digging his own grave, you just sit back, watch, and laugh.

****ing idiots.

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heyhole, your posts get more and more pathetic by the day.

Hmm, I wonder if that article was spun up to meet somebody's agenda. The guy's facing unemployment but laments the state of the US healthcare system? Gimme a break. And then he makes a point to say he's an ideological neutral. Please. To go out of his way to make a point of it, it's safe to say he's NOT.

I agree with you here

Do you idiot liberals even fathom how expensive universal healthcare is?

Us "idiot" libearls could have paid for universal health care and THEN SOME if Bush had kept the coffers alone instead of bankrupting our country. In fact, how DARE you even approach the subject of money when we gave you a $200+ Billion surplus, and you turned it into a $500+ Billion dollar deficit!!! You shouldn't even be alowed to talk about money, let alone say we have no clue how much things cost. Hell, we were going to pay for Iraq with the oil remember? $350+ Billion later you think you should even be approaching the subject of money???

"What are you talking about, universal healthcare is FREE" says the idiot liberal.

The only "idiot" is the person who still backs a corrupt administration who has opened up our coffers to their campaign doners. 100:1 is the ratio of dollars spent on lobbiests compared to the amount of federal dollars they get back. It is just amazing you care absolutely nothing about corrutpion, as long as it is your side who is corrupt.

Nope, SORRY! Universal healcare isn't paid for with pixie dust. Ask the socialist, economically stagnant countries that tax their populace up the yin yang upwards to 60% of their yearly income. SIXTY PERCENT! That doesn't sound like the "American dream" to me unless you're Hillary Clinton or a few "comrades" on this board.

Only a moron would think health care for the entire US population would cost 60% of our salary in taxes. Maybe you should stop the fear mongering and look at the rates of other nations. Then look at what the government of the US does for its citizens. Do you know that Botswana has a better immunization of its children then the US? Do you know you can pay for health care without raising taxes on Americans? You tax the business, and they STILL get a break, because they will be paying less then they already are for health care. There is a half a trillion dollar savings in centralizing health care, but you skipped class the day they told you about that one huh.

It's funny, when I was a contractor, I wasn't offered health insurance through my company but you know what I did? Brace yourself. I got health insurance all by myself. Crazy huh?

And I did it myself when I was a fisherman. It sucked too, I was making $22000 a year, and I had to pay taxes and insurance out of the money, and I ended up with about $14,000. Not fun and I could have used the extra money.

My ambition in life is to render the democratic party and its communist ilk a useless and mocked entity in this country. Though, dems are doing a pretty good job of it on their own. I guess when your enemy is digging his own grave, you just sit back, watch, and laugh.

****ing idiots.

Yes, I agree with you here as well. The part about your enemy digging his own grave while you sit back, watch and laugh. Then funny part is that you don't even realize the dirt is already piled above your head :laugh:

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Question to chom (sorry bro, keep hating to single you out, but I do respect your opinion): Should we have a "free healthcare for all"? What would happen to the amount of money the drug companies dump into research? Do you think that's feasible even with a socialist/communist ideal such as free healthcare? And I'm not using the words "communist" and "socialist" (although I'm not 100% socialism would apply) as derogatory terms. But, they are ideals, and good ones, assuming all man is created equal, and we are among no sinners.

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I'll bet a lefty like you nearly spooged yourself when you saw that headline, huh?

Lefties are glad that Unionized lefties are out of a job. What sense does that make Sarge? :doh:

EDIT: Lets not blame health care in toto for this either. Its called market clearing. Fords products have been sucking like Detriots NFL team for a while now.If they could have kept up with the big dogs they could have easily maintained thier health care costs.

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Question to chom (sorry bro, keep hating to single you out, but I do respect your opinion): Should we have a "free healthcare for all"? What would happen to the amount of money the drug companies dump into research? Do you think that's feasible even with a socialist/communist ideal such as free healthcare? And I'm not using the words "communist" and "socialist" (although I'm not 100% socialism would apply) as derogatory terms. But, they are ideals, and good ones, assuming all man is created equal, and we are among no sinners.

Ahh, great questions, but it's 1:00 am. and I need to get some sleep tonight. I will try to answer it in the morning.

:cheers:

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Lets not blame health care in toto for this either. Its called market clearing. Fords products have been sucking like Detriots NFL team for a while now.If they could have kept up with the big dogs they could have easily maintained thier health care costs.

I agree with this post.

The majority of American cars suck-diddly-uck in many ways. That is the reason Ford and GM are losing market share, not health care costs.

My fiance's Father is a retired GM plant employee (Tonawanda, NY). It saddens him to see the crap GM puts out and actually tempts him to go foreign for the first time, even as a 30-year Union guy. I could have waited until we were married and used his Family GM discount to buy a car, but got what I wanted (Acura TSX) instead when I was shopping for a car.

It also worries him that his pension is partially based on people buying the crap GM makes.

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heyhole, your posts get more and more pathetic by the day.
All he did was post an article. Just what in the hell is wrong with that?

Hmm, I wonder if that article was spun up to meet somebody's agenda. The guy's facing unemployment but laments the state of the US healthcare system? Gimme a break. And then he makes a point to say he's an ideological neutral. Please. To go out of his way to make a point of it, it's safe to say he's NOT.

It's bias. I agree with you on that.
Do you idiot liberals even fathom how expensive universal healthcare is?

"What are you talking about, universal healthcare is FREE" says the idiot liberal.

Nice strawman. I've never met anyone that thought it would be free but I have met a lot of idiots that don't realize we are already paying for the health insurance of those that can't afford it. They wind up in the emergency room and get bills they can't afford. Who do you think winds up paying those?
Nope, SORRY! Universal healcare isn't paid for with pixie dust.
Neither is the eventual emergency room visit of those that are uninsured.
Ask the socialist, economically stagnant countries that tax their populace up the yin yang upwards to 60% of their yearly income. SIXTY PERCENT! That doesn't sound like the "American dream" to me unless you're Hillary Clinton or a few "comrades" on this board.
I wouldn't call modern europeans economies stagnant but that's because I know better. I do however agree that high tax rates aren't the way to go. They produce higher unemployment rates and hinder upward mobility.
It's funny, when I was a contractor, I wasn't offered health insurance through my company but you know what I did? Brace yourself. I got health insurance all by myself. Crazy huh?
How long ago was this? Prices have changed a lot. 5-10 years ago getting yoru own health insurance was no big deal. Today it can easily exceed your car payment and in the case of a family....it's completely out of control.
My ambition in life is to render the democratic party and its communist ilk a useless and mocked entity in this country. Though, dems are doing a pretty good job of it on their own. I guess when your enemy is digging his own grave, you just sit back, watch, and laugh.

****ing idiots.

If that really your ambition you really need to try harder. Right now you just look like you know you hate the democrats....but you don't know much else.
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Go back and look at his posts. All of them are not-so-subtle jabs at the failure of America no doubtedly because of Bush. No analysis, just, "HEY GUYS, WE SUCK, BUSH SUCKS!"

Pay attention. Portugal elected conservatives. Germany elected conservatives. There is a MAJOR conservative movement in Holland, and even our lefty neighbors to the north had no confidence in their liberal leadership and supplanted it with conservatives. The biggest factor is the stagnant economies left in the wake of liberal ideology.

I was a contractor one year ago.

You missed my point. I don't HAVE to do SQUAT. The dems are tightening their own noose. You're entitled to think I don't know crap but I'm entitled to not give a flyin' fig.

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Go back and look at his posts. All of them are not-so-subtle jabs at the failure of America no doubtedly because of Bush. No analysis, just, "HEY GUYS, WE SUCK, BUSH SUCKS!"
I think he's a bit more subtle then that. :)
Pay attention. Portugal elected conservatives. Germany elected conservatives. There is a MAJOR conservative movement in Holland, and even our lefty neighbors to the north had no confidence in their liberal leadership and supplanted it with conservatives. The biggest factor is the stagnant economies left in the wake of liberal ideology.
Their economies are stagnant, but you are correct there is a wave of conservatism sweeping certain countries. I wish I knew enough about the issues to say why exactly. Do you know if these conservatives plan on reducing taxes? If they do then the reason is obvious....as I said before the tax situation in some nations is insane.
I was a contractor one year ago.
Then you have to admit health insurance is getting out of contol. The prices are skyrocketing.
You missed my point. I don't HAVE to do SQUAT. The dems are tightening their own noose. You're entitled to think I don't know crap but I'm entitled to not give a flyin' fig.
I demand you give me a flying fig. :)
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Go back and look at his posts. All of them are not-so-subtle jabs at the failure of America no doubtedly because of Bush. No analysis, just, "HEY GUYS, WE SUCK, BUSH SUCKS!"

Pay attention. Portugal elected conservatives. Germany elected conservatives. There is a MAJOR conservative movement in Holland, and even our lefty neighbors to the north had no confidence in their liberal leadership and supplanted it with conservatives. The biggest factor is the stagnant economies left in the wake of liberal ideology.

I was a contractor one year ago.

You missed my point. I don't HAVE to do SQUAT. The dems are tightening their own noose. You're entitled to think I don't know crap but I'm entitled to not give a flyin' fig.

Jacque Charque in france is conservative, Tony blair is of the more liberal party--- Your point is?

It depends on what conservative means in the context of that country.

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Defintiely a cherry picked story... and I'm confident the liberal reporter injected the bit about the healthcare and asked the guy for a response that met his approval.

As for Ford having to cut jobs and downsize..... those of you who said it's because their cars suck.... that is right. Why do they suck? Because they're made cheaply because Ford has had to lower their quality standards and build materials in order to pay employees skyrocketing healthcare costs AS WELL AS compete with foreign entities who build cars with $4.00 a day workers.

Additionally, it's because unions have held companies like Ford hostage and now Ford has become incapable of paying the salaries and health benefits of their bloated workforce. I'd like to ask these union employees, the ones fired in this round of layoffs, what they think about their union now that the union management has priced their salaries & healthcare benefits right out of union due paying member jobs.

What's the answer... CAPITALISM.... allowing the natural forces of economics to set car prices, wages, and healthcare benefits. What's not the answer... more Liberalism like we're seeing in Maryland.... where the state is telling a publicly traded company to whom and how much healthcare they must pay.

Finally, healthcare isn't a privledge to live in this country. If you want healthcare.... go out and do whatever is necessary to get it yourself. IT IS NOT an American companies' responsibility to provide you with healthcare. If you want it... you buy it. I've been buying my own healthcare for nearly 15 years. What I do is realize at the beginning of the year that I need to make "X" amount of dollars IN ADDITION to the salary I want to make personally in order to pay my healthcare premiums. I want it.. I buy it.... end of story.

When this country finally realizes that the govt. SHOULD shut down the lines for which people congregate with their mouths open and their hands out and DECLARE to all in this country that the govt. is NO LONGER your security blanket.... that's when this country will resemble the country our Forefathers envisioned.

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