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Saunders and Ramsey???


Larry Gude

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If Al Saunders is running the offense, truly, does he choose Patrick Ramsey as his QB?

Trent Green is a good sized pocket QB who looks to throw deep. He's not particularly mobile and he doesn't give up on plays too quickly. Sound familiar?

Say what you will about Ramsey and he's gotta show me too, but he does fit the mold Saunders brings. Gibbs wanted a veteran and he wanted max protect and he wanted the ball thrown away.

The offense Green ran for Saunders used multiple WR's to spread the defense, attacked with the TE and employed an edge (outside) running game to keep defenses from bursting straight up field every play.

This all worked together to give Green a bit more time in the pocket.

So, Redksin fans, obviously we can see Portis licking his lips to be attacking the edge again like he did in Denver instead of blasting through the middle and one can readily see Saunders getting Cooley the ball.

Does Al want to take a look before Joe lets him go?

Does Cinderella get to at least try on the slipper?

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Agreed. Patrick Ramsey is good as gone...

He's packing his bags now.

Not sure what Saunders wil do with Brunell........

Let him start?

Ship him off the the old-folks home?

Make him go back to the schools and tell the kiddies there IS a Santa?

It will be interesting to see what transpires.

Hail!:point2sky

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Theres a difference between fast, mobile and able to have awareness to avoid pressure.

Trent Green isn't a running QB, but he's amazing at avoiding pressure. Sometimes he looks like a ballerina out there making defenders miss and buying time for his receivers to run their routes.

Ramsey is terrible at avoiding pressure and buying time.

What Saunders will bring is more of the running successfully in passing formations and vice-versa.

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Ramsey has a fatal flaw as a qb -- he holds the ball too long. It's not at all clear that this is a correctable flaw, like bad mechanics or poor coverage reads. See Johnson, Rob as a perfect example of this fatal flaw in an otherwise capable quarterback. Increase is convinced that Gibbs saw this trait in Ramsey very early in his film study, and was thus prompted to give away the farm to get Brunell a mere three weeks after praising Ramsey as the qb of the future. Ramsey's trade value is reasonable right now -- Increase recommends trading him promptly and moving on to an intense analysis of Campbell's strengths and weaknesses-

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Why do so many on here think that just because Al Saunders is the new O-Coord that he is the new HC. Ramsey's future is dependent on his value in the open market, how Gibbs trusts/feels about Ramsey's abilities and what the entire offensive coaches think about him vs. Brunell, not just what Saunders thinks.

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He's packing his bags now.

Not sure what Saunders wil do with Brunell........

Let him start?

Ship him off the the old-folks home?

Make him go back to the schools and tell the kiddies there IS a Santa?

It will be interesting to see what transpires.

He packed his bags 2 weeks ago. Definately going elsewhere. Hopefully not in the NFC East. Those things usually bite us in the butt.

Hail!:point2sky

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News Flash: Ramsey is GONE! I know how you guys feel, but there has to come to a point when us as fans have to let things go. :doh: Ramsey will be a better QB in a new system and in a couple of years we will be thinking why did we let him go, but he will not be a Redskin next year. Sheesh! :mad:

As for the topic at hand, I say let the kid Campbell compete with Brunell and another QB for the starting job. Then we go with whomever Gibbs thinks is best. Hopefully it is the kid but I do not think that the ownership and the coaching staff want to go through a "rebuilding year" with a young quarterback. History has proven that Synder does not believe in a rebuilding process.

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Ramsey has a fatal flaw as a qb -- he holds the ball too long. It's not at all clear that this is a correctable flaw, like bad mechanics or poor coverage reads. See Johnson, Rob as a perfect example of this fatal flaw in an otherwise capable quarterback. Increase is convinced that Gibbs saw this trait in Ramsey very early in his film study, and was thus prompted to give away the farm to get Brunell a mere three weeks after praising Ramsey as the qb of the future. Ramsey's trade value is reasonable right now -- Increase recommends trading him promptly and moving on to an intense analysis of Campbell's strengths and weaknesses-

Om thinks this is a solid post.

Some will doubtlessly debate the flat contention that Ramsey "holds the ball too long," but it is a label Ramsey has been unable to shake, and Om tends to believe there's a reason for that. Add to that Patrick's less-than-nimble pocket presence, and one has a formala that supports Increase's thesis.

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Om thinks this is a solid post.

Some will doubtlessly debate the flat contention that Ramsey "holds the ball too long," but it is a label Ramsey has been unable to shake, and Om tends to believe there's a reason for that. Add to that Patrick's less-than-nimble pocket presence, and one has a formala that supports Increase's thesis.

Portisizzle gives his acceptance of this position. However Portisizzle did see some things from Ramsey, Pat in the Giants game that he did not see before. Further film study by Saunders, Al and Gibbs, Joe might be advised before any action is taken to remove said Quarterback from the equation.

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Om thinks this is a solid post.

Some will doubtlessly debate the flat contention that Ramsey "holds the ball too long," but it is a label Ramsey has been unable to shake, and Om tends to believe there's a reason for that. Add to that Patrick's less-than-nimble pocket presence, and one has a formala that supports Increase's thesis.

Remember, Om and Increase, the Jets game (at which I had the great fortune to be present) that opened the 2003 season. Patrick displayed leadership and even some mobility in setting up the game winning FG made by none other than one John Hall. Patrick has since had his confidence in his OL shaken, and he has nervous feet now. He has also struggled with the deep ball touch, which is something that Brunell historically has been able to do and did with great accuracy this past year as well (and Trent Green is capable of this as well).

I also tend to think Patrick's nervousness may be correctable, but in all likelihood it will be hard to do wearing the B&G at this stage in the game.

To sum up: the same result as Om and Increase with slightly different reasoning.

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No mention of Ramsey simply means that no one knows if he will decide that he wants to stay or that he wants to go yet. So they did not want to mention him and confuse anyone.

Remember Gibbs promised Ramsey that he would get to choose, so no one knows yet what Rasmey's decision will be.

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News Flash: Ramsey is GONE! I know how you guys feel, but there has to come to a point when us as fans have to let things go. :doh: Ramsey will be a better QB in a new system and in a couple of years we will be thinking why did we let him go, but he will not be a Redskin next year. Sheesh! :mad:

As for the topic at hand, I say let the kid Campbell compete with Brunell and another QB for the starting job. Then we go with whomever Gibbs thinks is best. Hopefully it is the kid but I do not think that the ownership and the coaching staff want to go through a "rebuilding year" with a young quarterback. History has proven that Synder does not believe in a rebuilding process.

I'm excited about Campbell. The thing is, it gotta be a valid question, when you bring in a new OC, to ask, in terms of the way HE does things, what personel fit his play calling.

It's assumed, and near 100% for sure, that Brunell is the back up. On the other hand, one can't picture Brunell running KC's offense because of the throws he can no longer make.

There's a lot of people on this forum who just can't stomach much in the way of thinking outside the box.

What if someone waltzed in here 10 days ago and said "You know, we could use a new offensive coordinator..."

One can barely imagine the reaction...

"What? Are you CRAZY?"

or...

"NO WAY! That's a stupid idea!"

or...

"Blasphemy! Joe Gibbs is the offensive coordinator and we just made the playoffs! Some people are NEVER satisfied!"

or...

"I can't wait until the season starts so this CRAZY talk can stop."

or...

"Another newbee who doesn't know ANYTHING about football..."

Ya da ya da yah...

And so forth and so on...

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