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Carter has completely lost his mind. Not that it wasn't lost when he was president. Maybe he can run for president in Venezuela when the current dictator decides to step down

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1137605878897&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Former US president Jimmy Carter expressed optimism Friday over Hamas's participation in next week's Palestinian parliamentary elections.

Carter told CNN in an interview that although Hamas were "so-called terrorists," so far "there have been no complaints of corruption against [their] elected officials."

He conceded that "there is an element within Hamas who deny Israel's right to exist," but compared the current situation to negotiations with the PLO, which was still outlawed as a terrorist organization during his presidency.

He drew an additional comparison with Menachem Begin's rise to Israel's premiership in the seventies. "The Irgun, to which Begin belonged, was also characterized as a terrorist organization," he noted.

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He's right about Irgun:

April 20, 1936 - 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed

March, 1937 - 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach

November 14, 1937 - 6 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Jerusalem.

April 12, 1938 - 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa.

April 17, 1938 - An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa

May 17, 1938 - An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road.

May 24, 1938 - 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa.

June 23, 1938 - 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv.

June 26, 1938 - 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa.

June 27, 1938 - An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.

July 5, 1938 - 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv.

On the same day, 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem.

On the same day, an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem.

July 6 1938 - 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa.

July 8, 1938 - 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem.

July 16, 1938 - 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem.

July 25, 1938 - 39 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.

August 26, 1938 - 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa.

February 27, 1939 - 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem.

May 29, 1939 - 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem.

On the same day, 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas.

June 2, 1939 - 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem.

June 12, 1939 - A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs.

June 16, 1939 - 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem.

June 19, 1939 - 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa.

June 29, 1939 - 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period.

June 30, 1939 - An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem.

On the same day, 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta.

July 3, 1939 - An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.

July 4, 1939 - 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem.

July 20, 1939 - An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa.

On the same day, 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv.

On the same day, 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot.

August 27, 1939 - 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem.

Not exactly a "tea and crumpet" kind of organisation.

Interesting little tid bit:

According to UPI, Israel supported Hamas starting in the late 1970s as a "counterbalance to the PLO.

"The enemy of my enemy is also my friend."

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48447

ELECTION 2006

Jimmy Carter's son

eyes U.S. Senate run

Nevada resident finding ex-president's reputation

no help to campaign – 61% don't recognize name

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Posted: January 21, 2006

5:05 p.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Jack Carter, son of the 39th U.S. president, isn't getting any help in his planned run for one of Nevada's U.S. Senate seats from his famous father – polls show 61 percent of people in the state don't even recognize his name.

Jack Carter

Carter, who has lived in Las Vegas since 2003 and is one of four children of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter, announced yesterday he would seek the seat held by Nevada's junior senator John Ensign, a Republican. A formal declaration will be made next month in Las Vegas, where he lives, and Carson City, where his mother will appear with him.

Plaguing his nascent campaign is a lack of name recognition. According to an October 2005 telephone poll of 625 Nevada residents, commissioned by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, 61 percent of people said they hadn't heard of him before – compared with 6 percent for Ensign. The GOP incumbent had the support of 59 percent of the poll's respondents and Carter had 25 percent. Sixteen percent said they were undecided.

"Nevada was never Carter country back in the 1970s, and I just don't think Jack Carter has much of a chance, although you never completely dismiss anyone," said Brad Coker, of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, which conducted the poll. "Absent any fiasco by Ensign, Carter is going to have a tough time."

Indeed, his father had a tough time in the state as well, losing the 1976 and 1980 presidential contests there.

Despite the fact Nevada voters elected Democrat Harry Reid, the Senate minority leader, they're sticking with Ensign who won by more than 2-to-1 margins among women, men, Republicans, independents, Clark and Washoe county and rural residents, according to the poll. While Ensign would lose among Democrats, he still pulled 33 percent of their votes. Carter only drew 46 percent of his party's vote.

"That's cool," Carter told the Review-Journal. "That will be the baseline from which I will compare my campaign in coming months ..."

The 58-year-old businessman operates Carter Global, an investment company, and has worked in the finance sector for his entire career. He moved to Las Vegas from Bermuda three years ago.

"I'm disturbed by the Bush administration policies," Carter told Reuters. "I don't like the partisan bickering."

Carter, who worked on his father's 1976 presidential campaign and earlier races in Georgia, says he drew a lesson from the years Jimmy Carter served in the White House: "One person can really make a difference."

In October, Reid expressed support for Carter's ambition, telling The Hill, a Washington, D.C., newspaper focusing on Congress, "Of course I will support the campaign. I like him. I love his father." Many Nevada Democrats were saying at that time Carter's chances of success would largely hinge on Reid's help, while questioning whether the Democrat was enthusiastic about recruiting a challenger to his colleague Ensign.

Earlier this month, local TV news stations reported that Reid was discussing the possibility of Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman challenging Ensign. Goodman, a Democrat, has broad appeal, having garnered 86 percent of the vote in his last city race.

As reported by WorldNetDaily, Goodman drew national attention when he opined that those who deface freeway areas with graffiti should have their thumbs cut off on television.

Goodman also was responsible for convincing the Strip's famed casinos to turn off their lights for three minutes in a tribute to President Ronald Reagan, following the death of the man who defeated Jimmy Carter in 1980.

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Hey, I think it's good they're participating.

I remember a High School civics teacher saying why freedom of speech is good: His point was, if you really want to see violence out of someone, try to prevent him from speeking. Let him speak, let him put candidates on the ballot, heck, let them win a few seets in Congress; it legitimises the rest of the elections (that they lost), and it really cuts down on their motivation towards violence.

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Hey, I think it's good they're participating.

I remember a High School civics teacher saying why freedom of speech is good: His point was, if you really want to see violence out of someone, try to prevent him from speeking. Let him speak, let him put candidates on the ballot, heck, let them win a few seets in Congress; it legitimises the rest of the elections (that they lost), and it really cuts down on their motivation towards violence.

And why do they even deserve to be on the ballot?

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because that is how democracy works. When you keep certain parties off the ballot you're operating more like north korea and iran.

So, it's OK to let a party that advocates pushing Israel into the sea be on a ballot.

It's OK to let a party that is responsible for some of the most vile and cowardly terroist attacks in the region on the ballot. Sorry, voting is a priviledge for civilized people.

HEre's a little history lesson for you fellas

HAMAS

Their Struggle with Israel

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Leader:

Khaled Mashal, who has fled most probably to Iran.

Mahmoud al-Zahar, probably in charge of the Gaza Strip.

Mohammad Taha, who is in charge of the West Bank, but was arrested by Israel in 2003.

History:

HAMAS, an acronym of Harakat al-Muqawamah al-Islamiyyah, which means in Arabic zeal or courage, is regarded by some as a Palestinian militant organization but by others as a terrorist organization, among them the United States, Canada and Israel.

Hamas was founded by Shaikh Ahmed Yassin and Mohammad Taha in 1987 at the time of the first intifada against Israel. Hamas fights against Israel's occupation of Palestine.

They are a popular organization among Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. They are made more popular by the fact that they not only attack Israel relentlessly, but they have charitable organizations that help the Palestinians.

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Goals:

The Goal of HAMAS is to remove Israel from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and to eventually destroy Israel completely, wiping them off the map.

This goal has come about because HAMAS believes that Palestine is an Islamic homeland that can never be surrendered to non-Muslims and urges all Muslims into a Jihad against Israel.

Location:

HAMAS is mostly located in the Gaza Strip and to a lesser extent in the West Bank. Hamas is based in Damascus.

Their Covenant:

The HAMAS Covenant is thirty-six articles written in 1988 detailing their beliefs regarding Islam and life. Their slogan is "Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran is its constitution, Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of wishes." It also believes that every member of HAMAS, including the women and children have a specific role to play in the Jihad.

Known Attacks:

Passover Massacre: March 2002 suicide bombing attack which left 30 dead.

Jerusalem Bus Massacre: November 2002 suicide bombing attack of a bus in Jerusalem that killed 20.

Bus Bombing #2: August 2003 suicide bombing attack on a bus that left 23 dead.

Hundreds of deaths have been attributed to HAMAS since the second Intifada began in 2000. They have also used female suicide bombers in the past including a mother of six children.

Funding and Numbers:

Estimates believe there are between 250-500 hard core members of HAMAS and thousands of supporters. It receives funding from Palestinians, Iran, Saudi Arabian citizens and other people from Arab states. They have a fundraising arm that raises money in Europe, and North and South America. HAMAS will use drugs, the trafficking and sale of them, to further their cause.

December 1987: First Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation erupts, and Yassin founds Hamas as an Islamic resistance movement against Israel.

1988: Hamas publishes manifesto calling for "holy war" to create an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, including Israel, and challenging the Palestine Liberation Organization's claim as the sole representative of the Palestinian people.

1989: Hamas militants kill Israelis in dozens of shooting attacks; Israel outlaws Hamas as a terrorist organization.

1989: Israel imprisons Yassin.

1991: Hamas forms "Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades," its military wing, for attacks against Israelis.

April 6, 1994: First Hamas car bombing kills eight in Israeli city of Afula.

April 13, 1994: First Hamas suicide bombing kills five in Israeli city of Hadera.

Oct. 19, 1994: Hamas suicide bomber blows up Tel Aviv bus, killing 22.

February-March 1994: Hamas suicide bombers blow up two Jerusalem buses, killing 45.

Jan. 6, 1996: Hamas master bombmaker Yehiyeh Ayyash killed in explosion, Israel held responsible.

February to March 1996: 47 Israelis killed in three suicide attacks in retaliation for killing of Ayyash.

September 1997: Yassin released from prison after botched Israeli attempt to kill Hamas leader in Jordan.

September 2000: Second Palestinian uprising begins.

June 1, 2001: Hamas suicide bomber blows up outside Tel Aviv disco, killing 21.

Aug. 9, 2001: Hamas suicide bomber blows up Jerusalem restaurant, killing 15.

March 27, 2002: Hamas bomber blows up Netanya hotel, killing 29.

July 23, 2002: Israel drops one-ton bomb on house of Hamas leader Salah Shehadeh in Gaza, killing him and 14 others.

Aug. 21, 2003: Hamas leader Ismail Shanab killed in Israeli airstrike.

August-September 2003: 39 killed in three Hamas suicide bombings.

Sept. 6, 2003: Yassin slightly wounded in Israeli bombing in Gaza.

March 14, 2004: Two bombers, one from Hamas, kill 10 at Ashdod port.

March 22, 2004: Yassin killed in Israeli airstrike in Gaza City.

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Sarge, I know you don't believe in our system of government, but at some point don't you have to agree that the US is great, and that our sense of freedom and democracy had a lot to do with that?

You let them on the ballot, just like you put idiots like david duke on the ballot. You do it because it is the only thing that works.

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Sarge, I know you don't believe in our system of government, but at some point don't you have to agree that the US is great, and that our sense of freedom and democracy had a lot to do with that?

You let them on the ballot, just like you put idiots like david duke on the ballot. You do it because it is the only thing that works.

If a group of active murderers and rapists got together here and formed a political party, you'd let them on the ballot too, right?

The fact that they blow up little girls and civilians shouldn't matter, right?

Good grief, what the hell is going on in the world? I guess the concept of rounding cutthoats like Hamas up and burying them under the jailhouse is gone, huh?

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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/01/21/2003290068

THE GUARDIAN , RAMALLAH, WEST BANK

Saturday, Jan 21, 2006,Page 6

Hamas is paying a spin doctor US$180,000 to persuade Europeans and Americans that it is not a group of religious fanatics who relish suicide bombings and hate Jews.

The organization, also known as the Islamic Resistance Movement, has hired a media consultant, Nashat Aqtash, to improve its image at home and abroad because it expects to emerge from next week's Palestinian general elections as a major political force, and wants recognition and acceptance by the US and EU.

"Hamas has an image problem. The Israelis were able to create a very bad image of the Palestinians in general and particularly Muslims and Hamas. My contract is to project the right image," said Aqtash, who also teaches media at Birzeit University in Ramallah.

"We don't need the international community to accept Hamas ideology, we need it to accept the facts on the ground. We are not killing people because we love to kill. People view Hamas as loving sending people to die. We don't love death, we like life," he said.

Aqtash, who describes himself as opposed to violence and "believing in the Gandhi route," has advised Hamas leaders to change their image by explaining that they do not hate Israelis because they are Jews. And he is attempting to persuade influential foreigners that Hamas is essentially a peaceful organization that was forced to fight, but is now committed to pressing its cause through politics, not violence.

"Hamas does not believe in terrorism or killing civilians. But [israeli Prime Minister] Ariel Sharon pressed buttons to make people angry. Sometimes we are innocent enough to react in a way that the Israelis use the reaction against us," he said.

Next week Aqtash says he will address former US president Jimmy Carter, former Swedish prime minister Carl Bildt and other prominent foreigners monitoring the election.

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