Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Has anybody noticed that we must really like stealing personnel from Herm Edwards. Where ever he goes we're going to follow and take his best players/coaches away from him. I'm sure Herm hates us by now. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Actually, it is probably likely that Herm wouldn't have kept him, or he wouldn't want to return. Usually, head coaches, particularly ones who have been head coaches elsewhere, don't like to keep old assistants. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmast000 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I never thought about that. Maybe we see Herm as somebody we can steal from. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas-Born Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Here's something that I haven't seen mentioned--Im a bit confused about this. I know that the offense in KC was great. But our offense would be great, soon, when we solidify our recieving core. Heck Welcome aboard Al, but I just don't know why we hired him. I guess its always nice to have great minds on the team. What do I know that is why the FO gets the big bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Here's something that I haven't seen mentioned--Im a bit confused about this. I know that the offense in KC was great. But our offense would be great, soon, when we solidify our recieving core. Heck Welcome aboard Al, but I just don't know why we hired him. I guess its always nice to have great minds on the team. What do I know that is why the FO gets the big bucks. Yeah. A buddy and I had a discussion on this topic last night. He was saying that this hire is an admission by Gibbs that the game has passed him by and that even if we win the SB, critics will discredit Gibbs and give more praise to the coaching staff than anything else. Kind of hard to argue with at this point. But it is what is IMO and thats a great move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Has anybody noticed that we must really like stealing personnel from Herm Edwards. Where ever he goes we're going to follow and take his best players/coaches away from him. I'm sure Herm hates us by now. :laugh: Yes this is interesting, but in the Washington Post it seemed as if he wasn't going to keep him. He mentioned that he likes continuity and Al Saunders is always going to have head coaching opportunities. I thought this was a stupid comment because it is obvious that he is not getting the best assistants because they don't always have HC'ing opportunities. This is why he hasn't won a super bowl. Not that Herman isn't a good coach, because he is. However his post season record is not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yeah. A buddy and I had a discussion on this topic last night. He was saying that this hire is an admission by Gibbs that the game has passed him by and that even if we win the SB, critics will discredit Gibbs and give more praise to the coaching staff than anything else. Kind of hard to argue with at this point. But it is what is IMO and thats a great move. Game has passed him by? We don't get to the playoffs and win a game if the game has passed Gibbs by. Gibbs was smart enough to see we needed some fresh ideas. Did the game pass Vermeil by when he hired Saunders as OC and then won a Superbowl? Did the game pass Parcells by when he hired Sean Payton as offensive coordinator (ok, maybe it did :laugh: just kidding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Al Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I think its more like stealing a good OC from Philladelphia or Dallas. Such a chess match, football is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I like Herm but he probably hates the Redskins by now :laugh: Think how LC feels now in his 2nd year in NY :doh: He's all by his lonesome. No qb, no coach, and no prospects. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Well Mrs ND is not happy that Saunders isn't the head coach of the raiduhs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yeah. A buddy and I had a discussion on this topic last night. He was saying that this hire is an admission by Gibbs that the game has passed him by and that even if we win the SB, critics will discredit Gibbs and give more praise to the coaching staff than anything else. Kind of hard to argue with at this point. But it is what is IMO and thats a great move. I do believe that it is an admission by Gibbs that he cannot keep up with the same pace of coaching that he is used to. He is not young anymore, but he obviously still loves coaching. He appears to be slowly turning into a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted January 20, 2006 Author Share Posted January 20, 2006 Well Mrs ND is not happy that Saunders isn't the head coach of the raiduhs Well tell her to be a Redskins fan, and she can be happy about Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleSkinsFan Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Game has passed him by? We don't get to the playoffs and win a game if the game has passed Gibbs by. Gibbs was smart enough to see we needed some fresh ideas. Agreed. If this crew takes us to the SB, it will first be because of Coach Gibbs. Who put this team and staff together? Gibbs did. Just because he isn't calling every play doesn't mean that the game has passed him by. When did the Redskins really catch fire this year? It was when Gibbs scrapped the newfangled stuff that wasn't working and went back to the type of gameplan that made him successful in his first tenure. Coach Gibbs has that rare combination of traits that make people successful: the wisdom to know when you need some extra help, and the lack of ego to actually go out and get that help. He went into NASCAR and within two years had put together a winning team. He came back to football and within two years has turned around our beloved franchise and has made them winners again, and is still building. Coach Gibbs knows how to win. Some sportswriters might end up saying within the next couple of years that it was Gibbs' staff but not Gibbs who made the Redskins SB winners again. But that failure to see the big picture is the reason why those guys are just sportswriters, instead of coaches with 3+ SB wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yes this is interesting, but in the Washington Post it seemed as if he wasn't going to keep him. He mentioned that he likes continuity and Al Saunders is always going to have head coaching opportunities.I thought this was a stupid comment because it is obvious that he is not getting the best assistants because they don't always have HC'ing opportunities. This is why he hasn't won a super bowl. Not that Herman isn't a good coach, because he is. However his post season record is not very good. When will people learn? Tell your buddy that the hallmark of Joe Gibbs talents are his ability to manage people and to get them to work together. It's not his offensive schemes or playcalling (although he's certainly talented there). Everywhere he's gone he's hired good people and let them do their jobs. His coaching staffs have always been all-star casts who have been NFL lifers and often considered multiple times for NFL head coaching jobs. Dan Henning, Joe Bugel, Jim Hanifan, Gregg Williams, Greg Blache, Dale Lindsay, Don Breaux, etc. I'm not a NASCAR fan but from everything I've read he did the same thing there. There's a word for this that people may think is ironic: humility. Gibbs is a Hall of Fame coach but he also realizes that he can't do everything and doesn't know everything. His ability to delegate but still be involved is second to none. The hiring of Al Saunders is just the latest example of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 remember earlier in the season when Gibbs noted that he and Vermeil are good friends and talk to one another on almost a weekly basis? there is obviously other things behind this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted January 20, 2006 Author Share Posted January 20, 2006 remember earlier in the season when Gibbs noted that he and Vermeil are good friends and talk to one another on almost a weekly basis? there is obviously other things behind this..... Good point! I didn't even think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfamily1 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 You might be correct about public perception. But, Joe has never been one to get caught up in perception. So, you have to believe he made this move to make the team better. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 remember earlier in the season when Gibbs noted that he and Vermeil are good friends and talk to one another on almost a weekly basis? there is obviously other things behind this..... Good memory. I'm sure there's something to this. The old guys gotta stick together! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryceb07 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Herm didn't want him there. Don't think I would either. He basically stole the job ! THANK GOD!!! SO GLAD HE'S A REDSKIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scskin Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yeah. A buddy and I had a discussion on this topic last night. He was saying that this hire is an admission by Gibbs that the game has passed him by and that even if we win the SB, critics will discredit Gibbs and give more praise to the coaching staff than anything else. Kind of hard to argue with at this point. But it is what is IMO and thats a great move. The assistant coaches have become much more magnified now as opposed to Gibbs first go round. He had good assistants during the three Super Bowl seasons. That's what makes him good. It's a team game. That's why you have coaching trees from succesful Head coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I think its more like stealing a good OC from Philladelphia or Dallas. Such a chess match, football is. Man, I thought the exact same thing. What were the Eagles and Dallas waiting for? I guess we'll find out soon enough. Andy Reid must be extremely confident that he himself can continue to run the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 People saying this is an indication that the game has passed him by need to look at other sucessful leaders and indeed football teams. Sucessful leaders build sucessful teams . Thats all there is to it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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