Cskin Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Humm... and how do you think this plot was uncovered? Italian internal wire taps. Humm... why wouldn't the US Media reports this story... as in above the fold and on the front page? Here's a hint... it would intefere with their agenda to try and impeach Pres. Bush over the NSA wiretapping issue by enlightening Americans as to the effectiveness of wiretapping in regards to preventing another 9-11 "like" attack. Anyone read about this? Would anyone read a story with the title "Italians arrest three Algerians"..... and how many would read a story entitled "Italians arrest Algerians planning future 9-11 attack" Turkish Press report on plot and arrests Three Algerians arrested in Italy over plot targeting US Published: 12/23/2005 ROME - Three Algerians arrested in an anti-terrorist operation in southern Italy are suspected of being linked to a planned new series of attacks in the United States, Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu said Friday. The attacks would have targeted ships, stadiums or railway stations in a bid to outdo the September 11, 2001 strikes by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington which killed some 2,700 people, Pisanu said. The Algerians, suspected of belonging to a cell established by an Al-Qaeda-linked Algerian extremist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), were named as Achour Rabah, Tartaq Sami and Yasmine Bouhrama. The first two were arrested Friday in the Salerno area south of Naples, and in Curingia, in the southern Calabria region, respectively. Bouhrama, 32, had been in jail in Naples since November 15 in connection with another investigation of the GSPC. He is believed to be the head of the Salerno cell and to have liaised with other cells in Milan, Brescia and Naples. The three in custody are also alleged to have procured false papers and funds to finance the GSPC, a hardline fundamentalist movement that rejects the Algerian government's attempt to draw a line under years of Islamist rebellion. Pisanu said Friday's swoop was part of a wider operation involving other countries. Links were uncovered between the GSPC's Italian activities and groups in Britain, the Italian news agency Ansa reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Humm... and how do you think this plot was uncovered? Italian internal wire taps. I agree this should have been reported by the US press in a prominent manner. But where does it say they used wire taps? And even if they did that doesn't mean they were illegal wire taps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Wait, how was the plot uncovered? Was there torture involved? Secret CIA holding cells? Methods that go against the Italian constitution? And the media did not report heavily the French anti-terrorist bust a few weeks ago, otherwise you would have lumped them in under the same umbrella. The conservatives would not have accepted that the French can do anything right, after all. How does your post have anything to do with President Bush? It has just as much in common with the Dallas Cowboys than with your favorite president; nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I agree this should have been reported by the US press in a prominent manner. But where does it say they used wire taps? And even if they did that doesn't mean they were illegal wire taps. The wiretaps in this country were not illegal. Take the time to get the facts about your own nation and its laws before you go repeating the completely false and absurd liberal rants you hear in the liberal media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 The wiretaps in this country were not illegal. Take the time to get the facts about your own nation and its laws before you go repeating the completely false and absurd liberal rants you hear in the liberal media. I never said anything about the wiretaps in this country. Learn to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force Cane Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 good points cskin... the hypocrisy of the lamestream media and the defeatocrats is stunning. they are the first to claim Bush is not doing enough to protect the seaports and trains, that the army is "broken", that the policy in the Middle East is a failure.. but then they turn around and also whine about how when Bush DOES act to stop terrrorist actions by listening to their conversations- it is worse than FDR locking up the Japanese. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 good points cskin...the hypocrisy of the lamestream media and the defeatocrats is stunning. they are the first to claim Bush is not doing enough to protect the seaports and trains, that the army is "broken", that the policy in the Middle East is a failure.. but then they turn around and also whine about how when Bush DOES act to stop terrrorist actions by listening to their conversations- it is worse than FDR locking up the Japanese. :mad: Wow, what a complete moron, what does that have to do with the Italians? Do not see the connection. Oh, don't forget, the French broke a plot to use planes as weapons in the late 90s (Forgot the exact date). That STILL never gets any notice, because tons of people thought and still think that 9/11 was some unforseeable catastrophe. Planes as weapons? Impossible! And then of course we had sufficient intillegence to stop it, the FBI and CIA just never moved in on anything. So basically, a lot of people here are fine with the wiretaps, even though they will not keep us safe in and of themselves, and the onus is once again on domestic security agencies to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I never said anything about the wiretaps in this country. Learn to read. Some folks seem to be chomping at the bit in this thread. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Police wiretaps picked up a conversation following the July terror bombings in London in which Mr Bouhrama and an unidentified person talked about finding a ship like the Titanic, packing it with explosives and killing 10,000 people in Italy. http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-12-23-voa58.cfm I would wager these were not even questionable wire taps, I dont believe europe has the type of criminal protections that our country has. That is why their internal security groups are so successful, not to say our own FBI and NSA arent good but they do have to fight with alot of hurdles due to politics. I did notice that the la times had this story up in a google news search, but when I clicked it the story had been removed. Wether this was because they didnt want to show successfull wiretaps being used is not clear, but it is the current left campaign so I guess it makes sense. CNN does have the story on their site but no mention of wire taps in their story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-12-23-voa58.cfmI would wager these were not even questionable wire taps, I dont believe europe has the type of criminal protections that our country has. That is why their internal security groups are so successful, not to say our own FBI and NSA arent good but they do have to fight with alot of hurdles due to politics. You would lose that bet, the Euros have an annoying tendancy of believing in civil rights, or some such nonsene. Blaming a little thing called The Bill of Rights for our security does not a good argument make . We nearly always have sufficient information.... PS I interned at the VOA, makes my heart swell with pride that we can still report da news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Humm... and how do you think this plot was uncovered? Italian internal wire taps. Humm... why wouldn't the US Media reports this story... as in above the fold and on the front page? Here's a hint... it would intefere with their agenda to try and impeach Pres. Bush over the NSA wiretapping issue by enlightening Americans as to the effectiveness of wiretapping in regards to preventing another 9-11 "like" attack. Anyone read about this? Would anyone read a story with the title "Italians arrest three Algerians"..... and how many would read a story entitled "Italians arrest Algerians planning future 9-11 attack" Turkish Press report on plot and arrests Three Algerians arrested in Italy over plot targeting US Published: 12/23/2005 ROME - Three Algerians arrested in an anti-terrorist operation in southern Italy are suspected of being linked to a planned new series of attacks in the United States, Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu said Friday. The attacks would have targeted ships, stadiums or railway stations in a bid to outdo the September 11, 2001 strikes by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington which killed some 2,700 people, Pisanu said. The Algerians, suspected of belonging to a cell established by an Al-Qaeda-linked Algerian extremist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), were named as Achour Rabah, Tartaq Sami and Yasmine Bouhrama. The first two were arrested Friday in the Salerno area south of Naples, and in Curingia, in the southern Calabria region, respectively. Bouhrama, 32, had been in jail in Naples since November 15 in connection with another investigation of the GSPC. He is believed to be the head of the Salerno cell and to have liaised with other cells in Milan, Brescia and Naples. The three in custody are also alleged to have procured false papers and funds to finance the GSPC, a hardline fundamentalist movement that rejects the Algerian government's attempt to draw a line under years of Islamist rebellion. Pisanu said Friday's swoop was part of a wider operation involving other countries. Links were uncovered between the GSPC's Italian activities and groups in Britain, the Italian news agency Ansa reported. I understand now, the forign press should only be quoted and used as an example when they print stuff that agrees with your opinion, otherwise they are just the socialist press you claim they are. BTW, my position is not that I think it shouldn't be reported, it should, but just pointing out that the press is consistant in reporting forign press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Let's see, let me spend some time searching for a story reported by the media that I might be able to claim conflicts with what I believe in. Naaa, I have better things to do. It sounds like the Italians had legal authority to conduct their operations. It also sounds like good police work by the Italians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Im not sure what world these leftist live in here, but europe is more liberal with its survailance than we are here. Not to say there arent europeans who oppose this practice, they have a big brother award to try to sway governments from engaging in these practices too. http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number3.22/BBA I particularly like the one in Germany where they will track cellphones that were merely in the vacinity of a crime(not terrorism, just a crime). I wonder sometimes if its just that you summer there and have such a great time that it has to be utopia, or if its just a grass is always greener thing. To say europe has more freedoms than us is mind boggling, unless your talking about drug use and going topless. If your talking about privacy and anonimity your are sadly mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 So conservatives in this thread are demanding we be more like the Europeans and allow the government to have more power to monitor everyone. Politics have certainly taken an interesting turn these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Some folks seem to be chomping at the bit in this thread. lol Man, you aren't kidding. I think Winslow needs a timeout :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Im not sure what world these leftist live in here, but europe is more liberal with its survailance than we are here. Not to say there arent europeans who oppose this practice, they have a big brother award to try to sway governments from engaging in these practices too.http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number3.22/BBA I particularly like the one in Germany where they will track cellphones that were merely in the vacinity of a crime(not terrorism, just a crime). I wonder sometimes if its just that you summer there and have such a great time that it has to be utopia, or if its just a grass is always greener thing. To say europe has more freedoms than us is mind boggling, unless your talking about drug use and going topless. If your talking about privacy and anonimity your are sadly mistaken. How utterly retarded. Who the hell are you talking to, your invisible friend? Who said Europeans have more freedom? I love it when idiots make up the words of their opposition, the perfect straw man argument technique. You are countering arguments not even made! Classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 How utterly retarded. Who the hell are you talking to, your invisible friend? Who said Europeans have more freedom? I love it when idiots make up the words of their opposition, the perfect straw man argument technique. You are countering arguments not even made! Classic! Originally Posted by dreamingwolf:I would wager these were not even questionable wire taps, I dont believe europe has the type of criminal protections that our country has. That is why their internal security groups are so successful, not to say our own FBI and NSA arent good but they do have to fight with alot of hurdles due to politics. You would lose that bet, the Euros have an annoying tendancy of believing in civil rights, or some such nonsene. Blaming a little thing called The Bill of Rights for our security does not a good argument make . We nearly always have sufficient information....PS I interned at the VOA, makes my heart swell with pride that we can still report da news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Wait, so I say Europeans believe in civil rights, and you say "I dont believe europe has the type of criminal protections that our country has." We both use loaded phrases, but can you offer any proof for your position, besides claiming an argument that I never made? Too hard for you? "Im not sure what world these leftist live in here, but europe is more liberal with its survailance than we are here." So basically, you are comparing one country (us) versus a small continent, and even then can you categorically say that EUROPE is more liberal with its survalance? What about Italy, the site of the original article? Can you explain to us how they broke the case, oh great world traveller that knows the intimate details of every country's legislation? You are the smartest person on the board, let us listen to your pearls of wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 you know what I really dont want to know what you have to say good day sir, I said good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted January 7, 2006 Author Share Posted January 7, 2006 I understand now, the forign press should only be quoted and used as an example when they print stuff that agrees with your opinion, otherwise they are just the socialist press you claim they are. No Cho... :doh:..not it at all. I was simply enlightening us all that a BIG STORY... the arrest of three terrorists planning a 9-11 style attack... went unreported by the US media. It was printed in any number of foreign papers, including the British and German papers. In fact, another article mentioned it was printed on page 6 of the Philly Inquirer with the title "Italians arrest 3 Algerians" My question is... why? Why isn't the apprehension and discovery of a terrorist team planning 9-11 style attacks in the US not front page news here in the US? And yes.... wiretaps were in deed utilized and I haven't a clue to their legality in Italy. What I am interested in is their effectiveness in preventing a 9-11 type attack, and how the media has chosen to ignore this story due to the perceived unhelpfullness of a positive story highlighting the use of wiretaps to stop an attack of 9-11 proportions standing in the way of the Liberal Left and Shamestream media's agenda to make the NSA story the impeachement blanket for which to wrap President Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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