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10th and they talk about our tough schedule.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5120522

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS POWER RANKINGS: Week 13

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

1. COLTS 11-0 2 3 1 2 7 32

The win over Pittsburgh was only one of three events on Sunday that made the path to the perfect season much easier. They'll face a backup QB in Jacksonville, and Seattle's home-field advantage doesn't look quite so daunting after they nearly lost to the Giants. More on the Colts below. NEXT: vs. TEN

2. BRONCOS 9-2 1 2 4 4 9 18

From FO reader Doug English: "Had Mr. Shanahan been born 500 years ago, I believe he would have listed his profession as alchemist." Who else could turn Ron Dayne from lead into gold? NEXT: at KC

3. BENGALS 8-3 3 1 2 3 17 15

You can bet their porous front seven will be watching a lot of tape to figure out how the Colts suddenly figured out how to stop the run. If they can't match that performance, they won't beat the Steelers — and a win would almost guarantee a division title. NEXT: at PIT

4. CHARGERS 7-4 4 4 8 1 21 16

The Chargers have not dropped out of our top five since they were 2-2. "How can you put a 3-4 team third?" the people asked. The last four wins have brought you the answer. NEXT: vs. OAK

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

5. GIANTS 7-4 5 5 3 10 5 3

Whether or not the referees screwed up the call on both the Jeremy Shockey and Amani Toomer touchdowns, the Giants outplayed the Seahawks overall. They outgained the Seahawks by over 100 yards and won the turnover battle — in fact, they forced four Seattle fumbles, though the Giants could only recover one of them. Now all they have to do is practice the snap count. For 12 hours a day. Every day until the playoffs. Including Christmas. Tom Coughlin is harsh. NEXT: vs. DAL

6. JAGUARS 8-3 6 6 5 12 3 12

The Jaguars are less likely to knock off the Colts now, but does anyone think David Garrard is going to keep them from beating the 49ers, Texans and Titans to grab the fifth playoff seed? NEXT: at CLE

7. CHIEFS 7-4 12 8 11 6 10 28

Defensive DVOA ranks fourth in the first half of games, 26th in the second half. Only Houston (6.1 yards) allows more yards per play in the second half than Chiefs (5.9 yards). Yes, this marks three AFC West teams in the top seven. NEXT: vs. DEN

8. COWBOYS 7-4 10 10 10 14 6 11

The Cowboys are just average running the ball and stopping the run, so beating a Giants team that features Tiki Barber and a strong defensive front four is going to be tough. And whose idea was it to make Drew Bledsoe into a rollout quarterback? NEXT: at NYG

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

9. STEELERS 7-4 7 7 9 15 2 27

The difference between the 2003 Steelers and the 2004 Steelers was the offensive line. Now Marvel Smith is hurting and the rest of the line seems to be having trouble getting a push on running plays, even for Jerome Bettis. Can the lowly-rated Cincinnati defensive line possibly take advantage? NEXT: vs. CIN

10. REDSKINS 5-6 11 11 18 11 8 23

A tough schedule and absurdly poor luck in recovering fumbles isn't helping things in Washington, but the absence of defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin has been another major reason for the team's recent struggles. Griffin suffered a hip injury against the Giants, missed three weeks, and was clearly not at 100 percent when he returned against San Diego. When healthy, Griffin is one of the few defensive tackles in the league who is effective both against the run and at rushing the passer. NEXT: at STL

11. SEAHAWKS 9-2 8 9 6 5 22 14

Pretty much everyone accepted that if Seattle won the top seed, it would be very difficult to beat them at home. But now the rest of the NFC has to be feeling a lot better about the chances of winning in Seattle in January, because the Giants came as close to a win as humanly possible. NEXT: at PHI

12. BEARS 8-3 9 12 12 27 1 19

The Bears actually gave up a ton of yards on Sunday, and that Chris Simms fumble near the goal line was the only Tampa turnover. The offense fumbled three times, yet each one bounced the right way for a Bears recovery. Add on the missed 29-yard field goal, and you have to call this a pretty lucky win. The Bears are compared to great defenses of the past in the extended commentary. NEXT: vs. GB

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

13. PANTHERS 8-3 13 14 7 19 4 13

It looks like the Panthers have handed their RB job, or the majority of it, over to DeShaun Foster. Stephen Davis has been awful this year, so this has to be an improvement, but it won't be a big one. Foster has been one of the most overrated players in the league, a boom-and-bust runner who has built his reputation on a handful of memorable plays in the postseason but constantly gets stuffed at the line. NEXT: vs. ATL

14. EAGLES 5-6 15 13 16 13 12 25

Now sleepwalking through the rest of the schedule and busy pondering how to get another top receiver before next August. NEXT: vs. SEA

15. RAIDERS 4-7 14 15 15 9 19 24

From FO's Michael David Smith: "A sleeper rookie on an otherwise mediocre defense is linebacker Kirk Morrison, who stopped Ricky Williams for a loss of two yards on one play and recovered a fumble on another." NEXT: at SD

16. FALCONS 7-4 17 16 13 8 25 20

A very strong victory, Atlanta's second-best game of the year according to our system. So why don't the Falcons move higher up the power rankings? Because, for a more accurate picture of how good each team is now, we discount games after eight weeks — and Atlanta's highest-rated game of the year was a 30-10 win over Minnesota in Week 4. NEXT: at CAR.

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

17. BUCS 7-4 18 17 14 17 13 22

No cornerback in the league is more active in defending the run than Tampa's Ronde Barber. He's the only cornerback in the league involved in at least 10 percent of his team's running tackles, and his Stop Rate on running plays is 67 percent, meaning that his tackles stop two-thirds of runs short of success (45% of yards on first down, 60% on second down, 100% on third down). The league-average stop rate for cornerbacks on running plays is only 45 percent. NEXT: vs. NO in Baton Rouge

18. VIKINGS 6-5 23 20 22 22 15 17

This comeback isn't based on Brad Johnson, it's based on defense. Four weeks ago, the Vikings were ranked 28th in our defensive ratings. Over the past four weeks, only Chicago has been a better defense, and the Vikings have climbed all the way up to 15th. NEXT: at DET

19. PATRIOTS 6-5 16 19 23 7 30 10

Now the worst pass defense in the league according to our ratings. And yet, it is almost impossible for them to lose their division. They still get Miami at home and two games against the Jets. Considering that all five of their losses have come to teams 7-4 or better, you have to figure they win at least two of those three games. At that point, Buffalo would have to sweep the rest of its division schedule and beat either Denver or Cincinnati to match the Pats at 8-8. Not going to happen. NEXT: vs. NYJ

20. RAVENS 3-8 19 21 29 30 11 6

This team has a lot of problems and a lot of decisions to make for next year, but at least one player is having his best season. Linebacker Terrell Suggs is much less of a pass rush specialist — he has only two sacks — but he leads all NFL linebackers with a Stop Rate of 86 percent (defined in Tampa Bay comment above). NEXT: vs. HOU

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

21. DOLPHINS 4-7 25 18 19 29 14 5

Has anybody noticed the Miami run defense falling apart? Through the first six weeks of the season, the Dolphins allowed 3.4 yards per carry, ranking first according to DVOA. Since Week 7, the Dolphins have allowed 4.6 yards per carry, ranking 21st according to DVOA. NEXT: vs. BUF

22. PACKERS 2-9 20 24 20 23 16 31

According to Football Outsiders' Adjusted Line Yards metric, Green Bay is the league's worst team at running up the middle. Start scouting those offensive linemen, Packer fans. NEXT: at CHI

23. TITANS 3-8 24 23 17 20 27 4

Hockey players grow "playoff beards", but Tennessee head coach Jeff Fisher is apparently growing a "high draft pick beard." NEXT: at IND

24. LIONS 4-7 21 25 26 25 18 29

Detroit since Matt Millen took over as general manager: 20-55. The first five years of the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs, 1976-1980: 23-54-1. NEXT: vs. MIN

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

25. BROWNS 4-7 22 22 27 24 24 7

While nobody has been paying attention, somehow Reuben Droughns has managed to beat the "ex-Denver curse." He's tenth in the league with 941 yards. So much for all that Lee Suggs hype. NEXT: vs. JAC

26. BILLS 4-7 26 26 21 28 23 2

According to this story in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, rookie wide receiver Roscoe Parrish has told teammates he's afraid of snow. Yep, that will do wonders for Buffalo's legendary December home-field advantage. NEXT: at MIA

27. SAINTS 3-8 28 27 24 18 26 30

It was painful listening to announcers trying to make Sunday night's game sound important. NEXT: vs. TB in Baton Rouge

28. CARDINALS 3-8 27 28 25 21 28 9

Leonard Davis has already been called for 12 false start penalties. Last year, no lineman in the league was called for more than nine. NEXT: at SF

Rk Team W-L Last Wk Full Year Unadjusted Offense Rk Defense Rk Sp. Tms Rk

29. JETS 2-9 30 29 30 31 20 26

Hey kids, a Doug Jolley sighting! Four catches for 62 yards, both season highs. Who needs Heath Miller? NEXT: at NE

30. RAMS 5-6 29 30 28 16 31 21

"Fight fiercely, Harvard, fight, fight, fight!

Demonstrate to them our skill.

Albeit they possess the might,

Nonetheless we have the will.

How we will celebrate our victory?

We shall invite the whole team up for tea. (How jolly!)

Hurl that spheroid down the field,

And fight, fight, fight!" (and finish second) NEXT: vs. WAS

31. TEXANS 1-10 31 31 31 26 32 1

A report from FO's suffering Houston fan, Tim Gerheim: "I don't think you can take blowing a 24-3 lead as anything but an indictment of the coaching staff. Clearly the Rams out-adjusted them. Of course, it's also an indictment of the defense, which is even worse than the offense. It's clear that letting Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman go was a mistake. The run defense completely fell apart between last season and this season, and that's all about the inside linebackers." NEXT: at BAL, where Jamal Lewis will have his final 100-yard game in a Baltimore uniform.

32. 49ERS 2-9 32 32 32 32 29 8

And now, welcome to the Alex Smith Experience Part II. It has to be better than Part I, right? NEXT: vs. ARI

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It looked nice until I realized the teams that were lower ranked. I would completely disagree. Panthers #13, please!

Have you watched any Panthers games? The past two weeks they've been struggling really bad. A loss to the Bears, only putting up a field goal, and a horrible game against a mediocre Bills team. I'm not terribly impressed with the Panthers at all. Give them the Skins schedule and we'll see just how good they are.

Just for record, they lost to New Orleans, Miami, and Chicago. Wins against New England, Green Bay, Arizona, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and Buffalo.

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Have you watched any Panthers games? The past two weeks they've been struggling really bad. A loss to the Bears, only putting up a field goal, and a horrible game against a mediocre Bills team. I'm not terribly impressed with the Panthers at all. Give them the Skins schedule and we'll see just how good they are.

Just for record, they lost to New Orleans, Miami, and Chicago. Wins against New England, Green Bay, Arizona, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and Buffalo.

yet in every skins prediction they are a shoe in to beat the cowboys when they play:laugh:

i love this board.TOO FUNNY

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Interesting. Seems to say there in the additional stats there are links to, that our defense #6 in the leage at stopping our opponents #1 receiver, but #27 in the league at stopping our opponents #2 receiver. Wonder why that might be? The number ring a bell to anyone?

Hopefully Rogers can bring that up a bit in the next few weeks, and maybe get us a few turnovers as well. I think the kid was a bit of a spark for the defense last week. Provided, Taylor does not trip again, and is not the victim of the hold from hell(overtime TD run he was held badly), we should start to see some improvement on defense.

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Computer based or not. "Common Sense" says that in the overall season you have to judge a team's success by something more than just wins and losses. Seattle has been beting up on its sorry 3 divisional foes all year and only the Chargers have had a worse schedule than ours. So its pretty accurate that the Charges are high on the poll and the Seahawks are low. The Redskins have wins over the top teams in the league, and very close losses to all top teams except Oakland.

And read the poll break down.. If Stregnth of schedule wassnt factored into the poll the Redskins would be ranked #18.

Thats pretty accurate to me!

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