BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Has anybody noticed how indignant Greg Williams and Greg Blache seem to get when asked anything about LaVar? Case in point: when asked why Arrington is removed on third down, Blache indignantly replied "LaVar is far from being out best pass-rusher". Well, if he isn't I would sure like to meet the person who is. My problem with Williams and particularly Blache, is that they act as if thier defensive schemes are the only schemes that can work. I find it kind of interesting that Arrington can no longer play. He seemed to be a pretty effective player under Kurt Schottenheimer,Marvin Williams,George Edwards ,etc. IMO, thier arrogance is hurting the team. Anyone else notice these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 When is the last time Chris Clemmons busted throught he line and took down one of the top five runningbacks in the NFL down in the backfield on the goal line. I can't remember. The Gregg's have gone from the Penthouse to the outhouse. I really really hope someone offers Williams a head coaching job and he takes it. Not just because of the Lavar situation but because he is not what he is cracked up to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 No one is giving Williams a Headcoaching job. He stunk it up in Buffalo and he will elsewere. He won't adapt his game. He won't change any of his philosophies to fit the personel he has on a team. Someone needs to deflate his big head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 With Gregg Williams I can understand, his defenses have been good over the years. But what is this guy Blache doing? He is the defensive line coach and that unit has been one of the teams biggest problems. The only statement he needs to be making to skins fans is "I'm really very sorry about this". He certainly shouldn't be trashing a key member of the defense. Also how is this guy going to dog Lavar? Isn't Blache the guy responsible for Holdman and Daniels being on this team? I'm glad he doesn't think highly of Lavar's ability, because the dudes he is high on, SUCK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsrevival Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 What the heck is his problem? Lavar isn't our best pass rusher.:doh: One thing about Lavar is even if he doesn't get to the QB, he commands respect from opposing offenses in third and long situations. Many times in the past I remember seeing him being double teamed. Even taking on a double team on third and long would help the rest of the sorry D-Line muster up a pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Ahem.... Clemons caused our only forced turnover, and also had a sack, I believe. Blache is working with probably the most untalented DL in the league, especially now that our defensive MVP Griffin is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Ahem.... Clemons caused our only forced turnover, and also had a sack, I believe.Blache is working with probably the most untalented DL in the league, especially now that our defensive MVP Griffin is out. Clemons had the only two pass-rushing plays of consequence yesterday so it's pretty tough to question him being in there on pass-rushing downs. Now, I don't know that Lavar needs to be removed, but I'm not sure who else you'd take out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Blache is working with probably the most untalented DL in the league, especially now that our defensive MVP Griffin is out. The fact that he is working with the "most untalented DL in the league" seems to be his own fault. Did anyone get a sense of urgency to improve the DL this offseason? I didn't. Blache was flying high on Phillip Daniels while we were drafting fullbacks. Now he's trashing Lavar after having given us the gift of Holdman. Can't blame the players if you are the one picking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood2k3 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Has anybody noticed how indignant Greg Williams andGreg Blache seem to get when asked anything about LaVar? Case in point: when asked why Arrington is removed on third down, Blache indignantly replied "LaVar is far from being out best pass-rusher". Well, if he isn't I would sure like to meet the person who is. My problem with Williams and particularly Blache, is that they act as if thier defensive schemes are the only schemes that can work. I find it kind of interesting that Arrington can no longer play. He seemed to be a pretty effective player under Kurt Schottenheimer,Marvin Williams,George Edwards ,etc. IMO, thier arrogance is hurting the team. Anyone else notice these things? I totally agree! Espeacially about Blache, out D-line is horrible!!! They almost NEVER get any pressure and where is all this technique that he supposedly teaches them??!?! I know, it doesn't exist! The best lineman we have is Griffin and even when he's there he get's doubled almost everyplay and he STILL makes plays! Blache and Williams are too arrogant for me, I mean c'mon man, how can they look at game film of our pass rush and be happy with that?!??!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Please use descriptive titles to your threads. 8. Please use descriptive and accurate subject titles for your posts. Adherence to this rule assists visitors in utilizing discretion when selecting content to read. It also serves to notify members if a particular topic has already been posted and discussed, and potentially prevents multiple threads being started on the same topic.Be respectful of the fact that some people come to ExtremeSkins explicitly for latest Redskins news and content, provided without the editorializing of titles by members. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Lavar doesn't have one pass rushing move. All he does is Bull Rush:doh: Maybe the Great Greg Blach can teach him some moves.... Swim moves maybe a spin who knows:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
det2 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Lavar is the best defensive player on this team. He should be on the field for every defensive play,especially on 3rd down when we need to put pressure on the quarterback. I agree that the D-line is bad. During the offseason Hugh Douglas was available, why not get him to rush the quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Actually, Nic Clemons got pressure that caused the interception by Marshall. Chris Clemons had a sack that stopped a drive and took them out of FG range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qcraftsman Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Anyone notice when Lavar made that awesome tackle in the backfield on Lamont Jordan they showed Greg Williams and he had no excitement on his face at all. I know any other time when the D makes a big play that GW pumps his fists usually and is yelling. He wasn't saying a thing when Lavar made that play and seemed motionless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 During the offseason Hugh Douglas was available, why not get him to rush the quarterback You're kidding, right? Hugh hasn't had anything left in the tank for a couple years now, and is out of football entirely (unless you count being a "team ambassador," whatever the heck that means. Our real mistake was not signing Bert Berry a couple years ago when he went for dirt cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Our real mistake was not signing Bert Berry a couple years ago when he went for dirt cheap. Or Cris Canty when he was still on the board in the 4th and we took a FB to convert to an HB who most teams thought was a 6th or 7th rounder at best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Ok one more time for everyone out there. Blanche is the type of coach that love players he had in the past. Look at Harris look at Holdman. This is the same coaching staff that wanted Holdman a couple of seasons ago and we lucked out because he signed with the Browns. The result was Marcus Washington. This is the same coaching staff that for the first 5 games would not play Lavar because according to them didn't practice very well and yet Holdman was nothing more than a "chair" in the field. Case and point when Lavar started he supassed Holdman's tackle stats in less than half the games. Case and point this is the same coaching staff that takes out Lavar on every 3rd down play but who has come up with some huge stuffs in the backfield? Lavar. Now I am not saying Clemons is not a good pass rushers what I am saying at the very least if you are going to rush a LB and have the other OL cover a TE rotate Lavar and Washington out to keep them fresh. To me they are one in the same with Lavar being a bigger hitter. Lets us not go crazy however, yesterday's game lose was not the Ds fault. They allowed a total of 9 points (considering they scored 7). Its our offense that bogles the mind on how inept they were against the 25th ranked D after coming off a 28 point game against he #1 D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BleedinBurgundyandGold Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Lavar doesn't have one pass rushing move. All he does is Bull Rush:doh: Maybe the Great Greg Blach can teach him some moves.... Swim moves maybe a spin who knows:doh: Not only that he seems to have lost some of his pure speed he had a couple years ago, however not his fault, the fact remains. I watched a lot of LaVar yesterday and I know everyone is going to say oh wow what a hit he made on the goaline blah blah blah, when in reality it was pretty much the only good play he made all day, and if they had been on a delayed snap he would have been offsides. Did anyone notice how Burgess or Burress (#56 for the Raiders) routinely beat Royal and Portis in one on one pass protection, getting hits on Brunell, and often hurried him when he was on an actual olineman? How about the fact that LaVar went against a TE on about 5-7 plays yesterday and didn't get a sniff at Collins. Look I love LaVar as a character, and I think he's a decent human being. I wanted to see him return to the form he had 3 years ago just as much as anyone. But wake up people, he is nowhere NEAR as effective as he used to be. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Funny how teams aren't running to the left a will since Lavar has been on that side. When the Skins were 3-0, Williams could afford to spit that garbage but I'm one who'll assess things even when a team is doing good also. Like last season. Just because the def was ranked #3, they felt the didn't need to get a pass rushing DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Not only that he seems to have lost some of his pure speed he had a couple years ago, however not his fault, the fact remains. I watched a lot of LaVar yesterday and I know everyone is going to say oh wow what a hit he made on the goaline blah blah blah, when in reality it was pretty much the only good play he made all day, and if they had been on a delayed snap he would have been offsides. Did anyone notice how Burgess or Burress (#56 for the Raiders) routinely beat Royal and Portis in one on one pass protection, getting hits on Brunell, and often hurried him when he was on an actual olineman? How about the fact that LaVar went against a TE on about 5-7 plays yesterday and didn't get a sniff at Collins. Look I love LaVar as a character, and I think he's a decent human being. I wanted to see him return to the form he had 3 years ago just as much as anyone. But wake up people, he is nowhere NEAR as effective as he used to be. period. I think you're overstating his loss of speed. He's displayed his preinjury burst on many plays since he's been back. Is he as fast as 2-3 years ago? Maybe not, but I don't think its as cut and dried as you make it out to be. And I'd have to go back and look, but I don't think he was in that many plays where he was rushing the passer yesterday. I know he was pulled on virtually all passing 3rd downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Our defensive problems start up front. Lavar should be the least of our worries at this point. He's doing just fine. If we don't pay good money this off-season to shore up the d-line then we're going to continue to be shakey on D. A good d-line makes mediocre linebackers and modest Dbs into pro-bowlers. Same goes for the oline for that matter. Solid oline play can turn a decent rb into a hall of famer (see Emmitt). But that's another discussion for another day;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch88 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 :doh: Our problems start with theDefensive coordinator. I've never seen a more arrogant, and undeservedly so, individual. If Arrington doesn't fit your scheme....CHANGE you scheme!!!! For gosh sakes he's the best our defense has. Want to get better? Find better coaching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 By the end of the year our D will be like 23rd in the league, and I am not kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Maybe Williams doesn't want to overwork LA. If it is true that LA didn't play to start the season because he wasn't entirely healthy there is a good chance they don't want LA to wear down by throwing him at 300 pounders. Dunno if this is the case but it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 It does seem that they have a bit of a vendetta against Arrington. It seems that when he is in the game, he is making plays. Granted, I'm not in the film room so maybe he really sucks and I'm crazy. But it seems that if you have a guy who is a natural pass rusher, it would make sense to play him on third and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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