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Iv got some new draft thoughts

TRADE

patrick ramsey for 3rd rounder

round 2 Kamerion Wimbley

Positives:

A very productive pass rusher, Kamerion Wimbley’s impressive senior season accelerated his draft stock to be a potential top five defensive end. He has very good speed and is extremely quick off the edge. Wimbley has ideal size and has stayed away from the injury bug. His durability has allowed him to start over 40 games consecutively.

Negatives:

Wimbley plays with great heart, but can be discouraged easily. He is a very quick player, but won’t be the fastest guy on the defensive line. Wimbley will need some time to adjust to the size and quickness at the next level.

Overview:

Wimbley is an ideal example of how returning and having an effective senior season can elevate a player’s draft stock. Depending on the number of underclassmen who declare, he has a legitimate chance of sneaking into the late first-round area with good workouts.

round 3 Michael Robinson QB

WE could turn this guy into a reciver our let him compete with campbell

round 3 Cedric Griffin CB

Cedric Griffin has been a standout in the Longhorn secondary since his freshman season. Rotating between strong safety and corner, he finished with 73 tackles, three for loss, and a sack. As a sophomore corner, Griffin had 48 tackles, and his first career pick. In 2004, he tallied 68 tackles, three for loss, and two interceptions.

Griffin is one of the more physical corners in the draft. His game is based on hitting people. Whether it is jamming a receiver at the line, attacking the line of scrimmage, or laying the wood on players, he lets you know he is around. Griffin has played both corner and safety at Texas, and could project at either position at the next level. He's athletic enough to pla corner, and tough enough to play safety. He's also an excellent special teamer.

Whether it is at corner or safety, Griffin simply does not make enough plays on the ball. He'll break up some passes, but rarely makes the big play. He is not refined at either spot, so he'll need some time to develop his skills at whatever position a team drafts him at. Griffin also lacks elite speed to keep up in deep coverage with receivers.

5{143} CB Tim Jennings {Georgia} 5’8” 170lbs.

-A weakness in the secondary was exposed against the Bucs. Jennings is undersized but he is perfect in the role of a nickel back because of his great speed. He can also return kicks.

6{175} TE Derek Miller {Maryland} 6’7” 265lbs.

-A big blocking TE and after Robert Royal’s blocking of Simeon Rice this is a need. With the size of a small OT he could add a whole new dimension to the Skins running attack.

6{179} DE Garrett McIntryre {Fresno State}

-A hustle guy that gives full effort to get to the QB. While he doesn’t have the same athletic ability of Nanton he his effort could land him on the roster.

7{212} OC Kyle Roper {Arkansas} 6’4” 295lbs.

-Another developmental prospect for Bugel to work with. He has ability and size so you can’t count him out, but he probably will land on the PR for a year or two.

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The next guy that mentions anything less than a 2 for Ramsey I will reach threw the computer and grab his neck for dear life. Come on guys why should we give up Ramsey for a 3rd rounder when we can keep him an extra year as our backup. I will take that at over some rookie that might not even pen out. SB next year...think that.

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Campbell will be ready next year. You don't draft a QB in the first round to have him stand there on the sidelines. I say they should drive a hard bargain and get a high second round pick for Patrick Ramsey and place Campbell in the back up role immediately.

As far as Defensive ends, we should go into free agency. All of the best DEs in the draft in 2006 will be taken before we get to pick, especially if we end up with a winning record.

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The next guy that mentions anything less than a 2 for Ramsey I will reach threw the computer and grab his neck for dear life. Come on guys why should we give up Ramsey for a 3rd rounder when we can keep him an extra year as our backup. I will take that at over some rookie that might not even pen out. SB next year...think that.

because maybe he doesn't want to be here, maybe he wants a place where he can be the #1, it seems that isn't going to happen as long as Gibbs is coach here

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The next guy that mentions anything less than a 2 for Ramsey I will reach threw the computer and grab his neck for dear life. Come on guys why should we give up Ramsey for a 3rd rounder when we can keep him an extra year as our backup. I will take that at over some rookie that might not even pen out. SB next year...think that.

The Redskins will be hard pressed to get more for Ramsey. I hate to say it but its the truth.

Reality is that Ramsey's base salary is 1.7M next year and Campbell has just as much upside if not more at around the price.

Ramsey doesnt probably want to be here. He is young and wants to start.

Now if by some chance the Dolphins, Lions, Texans, Cardinals, 49ers, Jets, or some other team wants to pony-up a #2 that would be great. But I think that Ramsey will be cut if not traded by June/July depending on if there are any roster bonuses.

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Hey dude just to let you know having this marcus robson guy compete with campbell is like having joey harrington competing with peyton manning and winning it...dont give any redskins scouts that idea...

The Redskins will be hard pressed to get more for Ramsey. I hate to say it but its the truth.

Reality is that Ramsey's base salary is 1.7M next year and Campbell has just as much upside if not more at around the price.

Ramsey doesnt probably want to be here. He is young and wants to start.

Now if by some chance the Dolphins, Lions, Texans, Cardinals, 49ers, Jets, or some other team wants to pony-up a #2 that would be great. But I think that Ramsey will be cut if not traded by June/July depending on if there are any roster bonuses.

He'll probally be traded to the dolphins if they cant get lienart. Then Cardinals next if they cant get lienart or if they cant daunte culpepper becuase the vikes might cut him becuase of his injury. Texans wont get him David Carr is better. Jets 50/50.

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I'm crossing my fingers for Darryl Tapp out of VA tech. He owned that De'brickshaw Ferguson (sp) tackle on uva today. And he's the best line-man in the draft.

Might as well stop crossing them because no matter what there is no way we are going to get him, he is a first rounder for sure and we dont have a 1st round pick

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What about Leonard Pope? He's a 6'7" 250 TE out of Georgia. I saw him playing and he doesn't look too slow, and catches really well. I guess I just like him because he's 6'7"..but he could help us out in the redzone and give cooley more time in the backfield as a blocking/pass catching back. Anyone know where he's projected to go?

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i dont think we need a TE with Cooley running the show.

Yea, and Royal is fine. We use the TE mostly as a blocker anyway.

I think we could use an offensive tackle, as Ray Brown really isn't that good and will probably retire at season's end.

I'd like to add a cornerback too, our secondary is kinda old.

A wide receiver could help if we don;t sign a free agent. As I've said in other threads, I'd like to see the Redskins sign David Givens.

Other than that, the d-line should be the main focus.

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The surest way to improve this team is first shoring up the defensive line. A pass rush is what we need.

But, before looking at what is available in the college draft, lets look at current concerns.

I understand that Arrington's contract calls for $12M next season. Re-signing the players we wish to keep will determine what is necessary through the college draft.

I review the upcomming talent after the season. Many magazines do. Without a first round pick it is highly unlikely we will be able to secure a player who will have an immediate impact on the overall performance of the defense. Perhaps there will be a player on the waiver wire whom we can sign for short term.

An improved defensive line can surely ease the pressure on the secondary.

I surely admire the choices you all have voiced. Aside from Tapp, I am not familiar with those other players. Again, I will review all the gathered information before posting a wish list.

Hail Redskins!

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A 2nd or 3rd rounder can net teams smallish speed rushing DEs, so I would have to think that's what the Redskins would consider. And that's really all they need in terms of the "now". The defensive tackles are good and they've got a plethora of run stopping DEs. They just need the pass rushing specialist, which is something they CAN land with the picks they currently have. For example, the Colts got Robert Mathis in the 5th round. So we can surely find someone with our 2nd or 3rd.

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because maybe he doesn't want to be here, maybe he wants a place where he can be the #1, it seems that isn't going to happen as long as Gibbs is coach here

Oh now we have to do what the players want instead of what the team needs? He is under contract and that is that. Let him hold out for all I care. If his agent can bring us a number 2 draft pick he will can go. If not he has one more year with us.

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Are priorities are as follows either by FA or draft

1-DL both DE and DT. It should be apparent be now that DL is our major weakness, Grif is the only stud along the line.

2-WR Moss needs a running mate, things could change if TJ steps up for the rest of the season, but we're talking right now.

3-DB Springs is going to be another year older and pushing 10 years in the league, I love him but I don't want to be left empty handed if he ages quickly.

4-RB Betts will be gone after next year money and the chance to be the man is a hard combination to turn down, and we all know a RB's career can end on any carry.

5-LB not sold on Lavar being back, he's due a big roster bonus and has a high cap number, a trade or release would cause a cap hit but could be spread out over two years.

6-QB Jason Campbell is not a can't miss prospect and I don't see Gibbs playing JC anytime soon, veteran backup to MB next season, Ramsey traded.

:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

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4-RB Betts will be gone after next year money and the chance to be the man is a hard combination to turn down, and we all know a RB's career can end on any carry.

Except that we pretty much took care of that last year. We got Rock and we have Nemo.

5-LB not sold on Lavar being back, he's due a big roster bonus and has a high cap number, a trade or release would cause a cap hit but could be spread out over two years.

I'd have a hard time believing that Lavar won't be back, because I think the only way that works out cap-wise is if we release him, which doesn't make sense.

6-QB Jason Campbell is not a can't miss prospect and I don't see Gibbs playing JC anytime soon, veteran backup to MB next season, Ramsey traded.

Problem here is, there is no room for a rookie here. We are talking about the draft, you know....

Jason

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Vernon Davis could do so much in this offense it's absolutely sick.

He can line up at TE, H-Back, in the slot, he has the speed to run the ball on reverses and pitches, he can line up out wide in red zone situations.

He can even return kicks/punts, he's done it a little at Maryland.

This guy will be a bonafide NFL star. There is no doubt in my mind.

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Except that we pretty much took care of that last year. We got Rock and we have Nemo.

I'd have a hard time believing that Lavar won't be back, because I think the only way that works out cap-wise is if we release him, which doesn't make sense.

Problem here is, there is no room for a rookie here. We are talking about the draft, you know....

Jason

First off the draft is decided by what a team does in the FA period so signing a vet backup if Rams is no longer here is a realistic option and if a QB Gibbs likes is available later in the draft it shouldn't surprise anybody if Gibbs drafts him.

Second off Rock or Nemo is not capable of carrying the full load if Betts is no longer here and CP was to go down. Rock is solid on special teams and Nemo hasn't sniffed the field except against third stringers in pre season.

Lastly Lavar is going to be paid a lot of money and if his production doesn't increase then no Lavar is a option next year especially with Coles 9 million hit coming off the books.

But hey these are just scenarios that not a one of us can be certain of.

:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

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