Tommy-the-Greek Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/pigskinny/index.htm At least our "D" gets some respect. They are rated 9th. Champ and Smoot are in the top 20 d backs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 I love these idiots who put out fantasy football pages. We have no frigging idea as to what forms the basis for the rankings at each position, e.g. TD's thrown, yards run, tackles made, fumble recoveries, etc. Therefore, the rankings mean virtually nothing. And even to the extent that they do have some statistical basis, does statistical superiority necessarily mean that they're a superior player in the NFL? In 1987, Barry Wilburn led the league with 8 INT's. Did that make him the best CB in football? Or even on his own team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Davis as # 15 is a friggin joke. Nice to see Champ in the top 10. I don't know how they come up with this stuff. Matthews is listed in the QB section, and DW hasn't even made the chart. Guess they don't watch the actual play:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Ramsey? Garrard? These people have no clue what they're talking about. Neither of those players has any chance whatsoever of seeing any playing time this season, and they're worthy of your fantasy football team? Now I remember why I don't count on USA Today for fantasy football info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Davis as # 15 is a friggin joke. I'm sure that's in anticipation of Davis being under-utilized in Spurrier's offense. For pure point value I'm not sure I'd put him as high as his ample ability might suggest he should be. Duckett at #36 might be a decent sleeper, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by tommy-the-greek At least our "D" gets some respect. They are rated 9th. Champ and Smoot are in the top 20 d backs in the league. No, our "D" is not getting some respect. We were ranked #10 for the year last year, but played in the top 3 over the final 11 games. We then added Marvin Lewis, Trotter, Armstead, Wynn and Gardener, and ended up #9? Anything below the top 5 is an insult. This story dated 8/6/02 doesn't even mention our presumed starting QB Wuerffel, and instead ranks Matthews and Ramsey. The ranking of Smoot at #16 CB might be 10 slots too low. Pro Bowler Trotter doesn't crack the top 25 for LB/DL. It's a waste of time even to read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Sway Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Wait wait wait. Alexander, Ahman Green, Priest Holmes Ricky Williams, A train, Bennett and Fred "fragile" Taylor, plus Antowain Smith ahead of Stephen Davis? This *is* the leading rusher in the NFC they're talking about, right? B*tch please. Talk about no respect. #48, break 'em off sum this season. Hold up - Ronde and Ahmad Plummer ahead of Champ? Did they see the Pro Bowl? Or any of the last two years' Redskins games? I love my namesake and all, but I'll wait until the sophomore season to get all het up about Anthony Henry being ahead of the Smack talker Xtrordinare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey T Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 My thoughts: Let's not wring our panties about what the neighbors think.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 It would be absolutley hilarious to see Danny Wuerffel lead the league in passing. Jerry Jones would see me running to the locker room yelling "ohhhh, I $hit my pants" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboykilla Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Trotter isn't even mentioned. LaVar is 12th? I think my my 5 year old cousin wrote that. WHAT THE PHUCK!?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 A good portion of this is nonsense. That's all the contribution necessary for this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Murphaaay Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by Smootylicious Alexander, Ahman Green, Priest Holmes Ricky Williams, A train, Bennett and Fred "fragile" Taylor, plus Antowain Smith ahead of Stephen Davis? This *is* the leading rusher in the NFC they're talking about, right? B*tch please. All of these dudes except for Bennett are better backs than Stephen Davis. Green, Holmes and Williams run harder, are tougher to bring down, are faster, quicker and better natural recievers than Davis. Fred Taylor is fragile, but when healthy he's ten times better than Davis, he can score from anywhere on the field. I don't know though, why Ahmed Plummer is given more props than Champ. It's okay though, Champ and Smoot will show and prove, as long as Smoot doesn't allow himself to be beat by bigger physical recievers. LaVar will be at the top when he learns to rush the passer more effectively. He seems to have problems getting around tackles at the defensive end slot also. I believe our D is gonna be one of the leagues best, but we can't just hand praise to them automatically, without them earning it. Potential unrealized is just potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Rellim, You're a goof . You don't know much about running backs and that's ok. But, remember, sometimes it's better to stay quiet and be thought to be foolish than to speak and remove all doubt . Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Guys These are fantasy football rankings. It's all about #'s. Guys like Ronald McKinnon who make 800 tackles/year are more valuble than game altering LB's like Arrington. Ahmed Plummer (if you believe he will have more picks and tackles) is more valuable than Smoot or Bailey even if he is a lesser player based on ablility. Chill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by Art Rellim, You're a goof . You don't know much about running backs and that's ok. But, remember, sometimes it's better to stay quiet and be thought to be foolish than to speak and remove all doubt . Sheesh. Amen. Why the he!l do people keep talking up Ricky Williams? He's been a disappointment from Day 1. He's had what - a single thousand yard season? Davis has led the NFC 2 out of the last 3 years. He would've earned the rushing title in 99 if he hadn't been hurt the last 2 games,and again in 01 if Schotferbrains hadn't waited until game 6 to start handing him the ball. Yes, P. Holmes is a better receiver in a system that will let him rack up more fantasy yards. Maybe A. Green as well. But Green still has some questions about his fumbling, and Holmes could well turn out to be this year's Andersen award winner (named by me after previous one-year wonders Mike Andersen and Jamal Anderson). Hey, there's an idea for a poll. Who will win this year's Andersen award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Murphaaay Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by Art You don't know much about running backs and that's ok. But, remember, sometimes it's better to stay quiet and be thought to be foolish than to speak and remove all doubt . Sheesh. Hey man, I know the truth hurts. The name calling is cool, it just show's that you have no basis for your argument. Don't be upset because Davis isn't as good as you think. How original you're quote is, how long did it take you to think of that one genius. Learn about the game of football before you respond to my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Actually Ricky Williams has eclipsed 1000 yards the past two years and this year he will be a monster with tons of rushing and recieving yards. Plus touchdowns....lots of touchdowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by Joey T My thoughts: Let's not wring our panties about what the neighbors think.:cool: GREAT POST! Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 LaVar will be at the top when he learns to rush the passer more effectively. He seems to have problems getting around tackles at the defensive end slot also. Rellim, Come on man. Think before you post for ONCE! I'm only gonna pull out part of your nonsense, and that is your comment about Lavar. Do you understand that he wasn't even being used effectively as a pass rusher by Norv and Marty -- in part, because they felt he could be used as a linebacker in any other ways than his natural abilities demand? Do you not read articles or watch the games? Even with his misplacement by the last two jokes some would like to label coaches, Arrington's STILL making pro bowls. All that said and you're talking about "Lavar will be at the top when he learns BLAH BLAH BLAH"? As usual, you're WAY OFF BASE! Lavar should be in the top 5, PERIOD :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Murphaaay Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by GoSkins Come on man. Think before you post for ONCE! I said Arrington will be on top, top meaning MVP of the league once he learns to rush the passer better. I don't give a **** what some jerk ranks him with other players. He's a great player as it stands now, a Pro Bowler. I simply made a statement that once he perfects the art of pass rushing he'll be the best. All of you guys are he ****ing an moaning about what some dude ranks NFL players. Man, opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. Keep your's and i'll keep mine. If you think he's the best LB in the league right now you mistaken. LeVar is not the best right now, but he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Guys These are fantasy football rankings. It's all about #'s. Guys like Ronald McKinnon who make 800 tackles/year are more valuble than game altering LB's like Arrington. Ahmed Plummer (if you believe he will have more picks and tackles) is more valuable than Smoot or Bailey even if he is a lesser player based on ablility. Chill out. maybe in last years system where teh QB had all game to throw a pass and wait for a guy like shade to slip up on his coverage, but this year we should have a nice pass rush and so he'll have to release teh ball much much quicker forcing them to throw more bad passes and more passes into the hands of Smoot and Champ. I think thats going to be the biggest difference between this year and last year. For the past few years, we've been one of the best teams vs the pass, but not putting up a rush and not getting many pics. THis year I can see that changing for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Rellim, Good argument. Guess I didn't read your post close enough. I don't doubt that Arrington will be the best, starting this year. I think the Redskins always get the negative twist in the media. I can't understand it. Already, Spurrier is making a mark just in preseason. He's actually going to be the one to help catapult Arrington's career, simply because he knows where Arrington's abilities lay (or is it LIE? I can never get that right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 I don't care what they think. I know deep down in my heart how good our guys can be. I think back to Gibbs Superbowl teams, where we didn't have the superstars, just a lot of chemistry and overachievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted August 14, 2002 Author Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan No, our "D" is not getting some respect. We were ranked #10 for the year last year, but played in the top 3 over the final 11 games. We then added Marvin Lewis, Trotter, Armstead, Wynn and Gardener, and ended up #9? Anything below the top 5 is an insult. This story dated 8/6/02 doesn't even mention our presumed starting QB Wuerffel, and instead ranks Matthews and Ramsey. The ranking of Smoot at #16 CB might be 10 slots too low. Pro Bowler Trotter doesn't crack the top 25 for LB/DL. It's a waste of time even to read this. Atlanta I think you missed my point, atleast where I am comming from. We get no respect period. Noone in the national media wants to give us any props ever. They will go out of there way to dis us at every chance and even make up crap to diss us. So, it must have killed them to have to put our CB"S and our "D" where they did. It had to hurt as bad as a man with bad roids crapping out a stegosaurus.:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Rellim, I've responded to your thoughts on Davis before. I had seriously hoped it was an aberration that allowed you to display such poor information. Here, you went so far as to rate Smith ahead of Davis. It's not even beginning to be worthy of conversation. I probably put as much thought into my response to you as you possess on the topic of Davis. That you demonstrate such a low capacity for offering any competent analysis is your own undoing on this topic. I hope you don't expect deep thoughts based on such a laughable concept. I, at least, require some belief that the person I'm speaking with understand a topic before spending a tremendous amount of time on it. I'm certain you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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