GatorEye Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 I don't care if it was first or second stringers - guys falling down or not tackling. NO WAY Carolina should score 30 on us - period. Marv better kick the boys in the a$$. I also find it comical that we put up 37 (30 points) on the board and everyone thinks the offense is sluggish. I know SOS is the man, but we aren't going to be scoring 50 each week. We did come back to win - which was the goal - to be ahead at the end. Unfortunately the other goal of staying injury free didn't work out so well. I guess only time will tell how bad Samuel's ankle injury is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Gator, It's not really being critical to say the offense seemed sluggish. I didn't see it though, so someone who did could say more, but, from what I could tell from listening, it seemed more disorganized and less efficient. And despite that we STILL put numbers up and scored and moved the ball. It's a compliment to me that it happened in that way. I'm surprised we even noticed it given the outcome and total performance, especially since we started so well and ended so well but seemed to stagnate only in the third. It is a compliment to Spurrier to have generated such a performance with the team being a bit more sloppy and picking up more penalties. The defense isn't really a worry for me. They carved us up nice with our reserves in and that will give Lewis some firepower to use during the week with the scrubs to see who REALLY wants it. It's good to struggle a little here and there in the preseason. Defensively we certainly did that with our reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 I can only go by what I heard on the radio. 37 or not...the offense did sound sluggish. More importantly than that, the defense disappeared a few times, and we seemed to be fascinated with seeing that yellow rag being thrown on the field. Yes, in the end....we put a number in the W column. However, I imagine there is some discussion on the plane and bus back to Carlisle. Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 I thought Carolina played a pretty spirited game. It's amazing what a coaching change can do for a team. Yeah, it would have been nice to see the reserves show a bit better, but, as Art said, this is how you separate the wheat from the chaff. As far as the offense looking sluggish, credit Carolina with some of that. They were flying around - it kind of reminded me how the Redskins D looked last week. And Fox was bringing heat - constantly. He wasn't holding back because of preseason. And he shouldn't - he needs to know who his players are. I'll tell you what, if the offense can look sluggish and still put up 30, it'll be a wonderful season. Heck, that's a two-game output for a Marty (there really needs to be a Marty smilie, maybe a smilie face in a straw hat holding a down marker that says 3rd and 13?) offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorEye Posted August 11, 2002 Author Share Posted August 11, 2002 I guess I was the opposite from many of you. I got to watch the game, but couldn't hear (which seemed ok since it was a Carolina broadcast). I don't know how anyone who watched the game said the Shane and Sage looked equal. From watching the game it was even more clear that Danny still has mastery of the offense, especially calling audibles. Shane was not as good as Danny, but still was pretty good and stuck some beautiful throws. He should have had one more TD. Sage just didn't have it. I hate to sound like a homer, but the Gators are just much better than he is regardless of who they are playing against. Even the non-Gator Skins fans I was sitting with watching the game and the ones I talked to afterwards agree Sage is history. Doering is on the team if not a starter. He caught everything thrown at him including a sweet one hander. I think he and Danny are going to be a frequent combo during the season. Quezzie seemed to alligator arm a touchdown pass from Shane early when we had to settle for a FG. I see from the post game reports he suffered a rib injury. The defense looked like a sieve almost from start to finish. They did have a few good series, but overall I was expecting a more smothering performance from the defense - even the backups. The run blocking was miserable. It is going to be tough sledding for SD to gain yardage. I'm only hoping we have big leads in the second half when he grinds it out because it seemed like Carolina was in the backfield on every running play. Again I see SOS is going to be a victim of his early success. If we don't score a TD on every drive - people will be complaining. I just loved the poise of Danny to come in, steady the ship and lead us back to victory. I don't care WHO you are playing against. That's a quality you want at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Art Blame it all on the O line. Two QBs went down for sacks when they had their foot stepped on by the center who was blown backwards. Pass protecton was shakey and run blocking was spotty. This, combigned with an agressive Panther D was almost our downfall. In truth, that was a game we shouldn't have one. Don't even get me started on our pass defense. Marvin looled like he was going to blow a fuse at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 GatorEye, You have to admit that that pass Wuerffel threw from his a$$ would have gotten him run by any coach except Spurrier, with whom he has built up an abundant supply of good will. That's the type of play that can totally hose a game. But, I agree, after two preseason games - with the caveat that I don't know what's going on in practice - Wuerffel has looked the best with Matthews second. It don't look good for Sage. His window of opportunity is closing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorEye Posted August 11, 2002 Author Share Posted August 11, 2002 Originally posted by Mad Mike Art Blame it all on the O line. Two QBs went down for sacks when they had their foot stepped on by the center who was blown backwards. Yeah, I had forgot to mention that. It happened to both Shane and Danny. I was thinking how rare that was and to see it twice in one game isn't good. Bottom line - the offense has the POTENTIAL to be as good as it appeared at UF. Receivers are getting open and we have 2 QBs that CAN stick the throws. However right now I think they underestimated the importance of the middle of the line. We need some help there big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Sorry GatorEye but I have to disagree. Danny is the clear leader here but I don't see much diference between Shane and Sage. Give Sage more time and he could be the better QB between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 SonnyJ That pass impressed the hell out of me. No he shouldn't have thrown it but DAMN, that ball went 40 yards and was almost caught! Looked like he was trying to get it where the reciever was supposed to be and he almost pulled it off!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorEye Posted August 11, 2002 Author Share Posted August 11, 2002 Originally posted by Mad Mike Sorry GatorEye but I have to disagree. Danny is the clear leader here but I don't see much diference between Shane and Sage. Give Sage more time and he could be the better QB between them. Why give Sage more time to try to catch up to Shane when SOS can give more time to Danny that could distance himself ever further from Shane. We've got one guy already that is going to catch up to Shane if given the chance - it's Ramsey. SonnyJ - as for that pass Danny threw from his a$$ - I agree, but you have to admit it showed incredible arm strength to get it that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Originally posted by Mad Mike SonnyJ That pass impressed the hell out of me. No he shouldn't have thrown it but DAMN, that ball went 40 yards and was almost caught! Looked like he was trying to get it where the reciever was supposed to be and he almost pulled it off!. Yeah, it was almost caught - by the Panther's safety! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 GatorEye You're missing my point. At this time they look equal to me. If that is true Sage may be better than Shane in the long run. Fortunately I trust SOS to make the best call for the team. Who ever earns the job will get it and Spurrier knows QBs better than us. :high: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 SonnyJ That's why I said it should not have been thrown:gus: My point was that he still managed to get the ball where it was supposed to be on pure instinct. The problem was that it was an arching pass that was slow to arive (which is why it shouldnt have been thrown). Still that took a much better arm than I thought he had and an inate understanding of where the reciever would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorEye Posted August 11, 2002 Author Share Posted August 11, 2002 Originally posted by Mad Mike GatorEye You're missing my point. At this time they look equal to me. If that is true Sage may be better than Shane in the long run. Fortunately I trust SOS to make the best call for the team. Who ever earns the job will get it and Spurrier knows QBs better than us. :high: I guess we see things differently. I just don't see that Sage has the command that Shane does. Shane also doesn't look to have the command that Danny does. But we both agree - neither of us REALLY know what we're talking about. SOS is going to pick the top 3 guys and play the best. That's all I want, but I think we better have a good backup, because the way the O-Line is playing SOS may have to suit up. Our QB's are going to be obliterated by first team starters if the O-Line doesn't shape up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Wow! Was I watching the same game as others here. I saw a nice defensive performance from the starters, yet the Foster run was good blocking and poor tackling combined. The second teamers didn't perform as well tonight as against the 49ers, but that can be expected. Offensively, I thought we fared well. Shane seemed in command of the offense, only his hesitation is much more noticeable than Danny's. The interception by Shane was purely a bad decision. You just don't throw to a double teamed receiver regardless of the timing route. Additionally, Danny seems to get the ball down field, where Shane chooses his spots and seems to prefer the shorter routes. Sage was again steady, some good throws.... such as the slant pattern which was perfect and the one hander by Doering, ands some others he tried to squeeze into tight areas that were well defended. Our problem on offense lies only in the interior OL. Our receivers are all well coached, good YAC receivers, and mostly open. Our Interior OL is weak, especially when it comes to opening up running lanes. There just aren't any road graders that push people off the line. This is something we definitely need to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinnedGator Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Agree with most that was said but I'd put Shane pretty far ahead of Sage still. Sage played againsy 2nd stringers while Matthews played extensively against Carolina's starters. Shane looked rusty at the start and the pick was a bad decision but overall, completed drives for scores and put up reasonable numbers...I think he will play better in the coming weeks. Sage looks promising but its going to take time. He was missing reads and making bad decisions at times. His drives were more sporadic as a result. The last drive ending sack he took was uneccessary, he didn't see the alternate WR on the play, held the ball and got sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJK Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Gatoreye said: "Why give Sage more time to try to catch up to Shane when SOS can give more time to Danny that could distance himself ever further from Shane. " Shane is how old?? And Sage is how young? If all things are equal, I would much prefer Sage. Not saying things are equal. Shane is by FAR the most NFL experienced. That's a big plus. But for some reason, I see Shane being a problem with being second string. Just a feeling I have, somewhat due to comments and observations from him. I think I speak for the vast majority of us in saying we don't care what colleges our players are from. This is the big dog league. My the best players win the jobs!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marhobo Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Anybody else missing "Big Ben" Coleman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Since I'm with the in-laws, I shut the 'puter down after half (pregnant wife was nagging me ). But from what I heard on the live radio broadcast -- talking about the 67 yard run -- was scary. I think Lewis needs to have a heart-to-heart with our defense (starters and backups) and say, "who wants to play?" As far as the offense looking sluggish, credit Carolina with some of that. They were flying around - it kind of reminded me how the Redskins D looked last week. And Fox was bringing heat - constantly. He wasn't holding back because of preseason. And he shouldn't - he needs to know who his players are. The fact that we can put up 30 points when a coach is bringing the heat to us is promising. We have the makings of a GREAT team with a superior coach. We just need a season under our belts. Things are looking up, sluggish defense or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 If we don't get our interior line to play well we are going to have to keep all 4 qb's on the roster. I believe they have to find guards that can pass block first and run block second. If they pass block well and we get the lead in most of the games it will make it a little easier to run block. But right now from what I heard we need a time machine and bring back the hogs. Has anyone done the research on other teams to see what guards may get released in the next 3 weeks?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 The offense was sluggish. The TDs came against second teamers,etc. And Shane seems to take just as long with his decision making as the inexperienced Sage. Then Shane forces a pass with no velocity into double coverage. Heck Shane was making the same dump offs to the running backs as former redskin B Johnson. Waffle comes in and there seems to be a third gear to 4th gear. Still all 3 QBs IMO are just care takers til we get a QB of the future. Until then we better draft bluechip OGs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Still all 3 QBs IMO are just care takers til we get a QB of the future. Oh wow, that sounds cooool. Will he be an 8-foot tall cyborg with a cannon arm, electrically charged armor, and x-ray vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 My biggest concern about Shane Mathews was his reaction after throwing a TD. I know this is knit picky, but couldn't he atleast pretend to care? He is supposed to be battling for a starters spot, but I don't see him leading the team like DW is. While he might be better than Sage, I'd certainly be wary if he is sulking about not being in the lead for the starters spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 My but these threads go off in different directions. Cskin, agreed. I must agree with GatorEye on the original post. This could be a concern for depth reasons. Need these guys to perform well in case of any dreaded have to step up scenarios or if anything if they are put in to spell the starters. My guess is this is going to be a long week for the defensive guys, not 1st string, courtesy of Marvin Lewis. Who just may have received a "look" or 2 from S.S. last night...........Hey. TCO. What up man? Somebody do something bad to your breakfast cereal or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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