One Dollar Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 I know your all giddy with your new college coach and his tactic of playing starters till he can win in pre-season and all but... What happens if you lose to Philly on week 2 or god forbid you lose to Arizona in week one or to the cowboys (OMG)? What will your thoughts be? Will your delusions of granduer be snuffed out? Granted SOS was a good college and minor league coach but he still has yet to win any big NFL real game against a formeadable opponant. Just want to know what your excuses will be now so I can jot them down. Just here to wake you all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins57 Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 I know your all giddy with your new college coach and his tactic of playing starters till he can win in pre-season and all but... tactic of playing starters till he can win.... First of all. we are going to lose games and we all know that. What is this new tactic you speak of? McCants a starter? Thompson a starter? didn't think so either. Davis played how much? Thought so. Danny Wuerfful played the second half, isn't this the guy everyone said was the worst? But he is a starter now right? When did Gillsipie unseat S davis for his job? PLease tell me. Bruce Smith, Gardener Dotson were back in Carlisle but I guess they started and play till we won also I am so sick of this "tactic of playing starters till he can win" crap from the media and other fans, who want to see SS fail so bad it isn't funny. Sorry I am gonna stop my rant now:finger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Since you brought this up...... we are gonna find you and make a $1.00 worth of change. :doh: Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 I was wondering what coach in his 1st year has ever won it all. Barry Switzer? Maybe that's all. What are fans of the Bucs going to do when for a 6th year, they are a favorite and nothing happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 I don't think there are grand delusions here, OD. I know there are delusions here though. Yours. If you think playing our starters was what led to the victory, you simply didn't follow the game. Right now, can you tell me the total performance of our likely starting players on a statistical basis? One catch for 13 yards. That's all our starters did statistically. Our offensive line played two series in the first quarter and one series in the third. The Niners starting offensive line played 14 plays. The Redskins starting offensive line played 20 plays. That's the total difference in the starting units playing time. Ouch. Looks like Spurrier had to really stretch things there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 I suppose we could always link to a Bucs messageboard and do a search for "excuses". There's at least 3 years of posts right there I thought the Bucs acquired *the* missing ingredient last year (ie. QB). How's Brad Johnson working out for you guys? :high: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorMarc Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 his tactic of playing starters till he can A reminder to all Redskin fans: It doesn't matter how many times you refute it and how much factual information you have on your side, SOS haters will always say he ran up the score and left his starters in. It was never true his 12 years at UF, but that never stopped the critics from lying about it... don't expect it to stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Well, dollar-boy, since I'm certain even you grasp that we didn't even once field our presumed first-team offense, not once the entire game, I understand your attempt at garnering attention. But to answer your question, when we lose we'll do what fans of every team this side of the undefeated Dolphins have done, we'll look for answers why and hope our coach can correct them. And if, as you suggest, our hopes are dashed, we'll do whatever it is you do every year when your team folds like a telco CEO. On second thought, I'd expect our people to have a bit more class than that, but that's just me. Funny you should mention our current coach having not won the big NFL game when neither your previous coach nor your current saviour has done it either. But at least our coach has the excuse that he's never HAD an NFL game. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: What's your excuse? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Well obviously if the Redskins lose, then Spurrier's system won't work in the NFL, and there were not enough talented QBs and WRs acquired...And the draft was bad...And the Oline...And Oh, wait, that stuff was used already....Ummm...I'll get back to ya' on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Personally, I find innuendos of "running up the score" rather flattering. I mean... when was the last time the Skins were accused of "running up the score"? We've been told the Spurrier's offense wasn't going to work in the NFL. That there wasn't the disparity in talent between players in the NFL as there is in college ball. That his offense was too gimmicky. That he didn't have the players to make it work. And after 1 preseason game... with Sage Rosenfels/Danny Weurfel tossing the ball and Stephen Davis not earning a single carry... suddenly the Redskins offense is *capable* of running up the score. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 If the Skins are accused of running up the score - at least we know they did something right (they won). :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins57 Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 One Dollar, Remember what it felt like after the first round of playoffs the last couple years, well it will not feel that bad:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 I think One Dollar deserves a special avatar for those comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Dollar Posted August 9, 2002 Author Share Posted August 9, 2002 Boy, testy bunch aren't you Obviously you are at least a little concerned or else you would not have responded with such vigor. For those who like to try and bash my Bucs go ahead, I've endured more than you are capable of plus my team has not had a losing season in the last 5 years in a row while making the playoffs 4 of those five. I know your envious and although we have not faired well in the playoffs the last two years at least we got there. If this is your reaction for the concept of losing I can't wait to return after your first loss. And for the SOS Gator lovers that are bandwagoning on the Skins, I could care less about your love and expectations of the whinny one. I disliked the Gators as much as the Seminoles, you know the team you couldn't seem to beat at thier house. :) BTW I see only one person actually answered my question, the rest reesorted to the fun smack stuff. (I liked the *** sign, I'll use that elsewhere, thanks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 You're such a twit. Nobody here's predicting an undefeated season. Indeed, the majority of us predict 6-7 losses this year, and a fair number predict more. But we're on the way up. And like our risk-taking coach, we're not afraid of failure in any form. Ask the Glazer's if they can claim the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboykilla Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 I got one word: THREE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PediGator Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 You want answers? Don't preface your questions with lies. ** I know your all giddy with your new college coach and his tactic of playing starters till he can win in pre-season and all but... ** Remind me what exactly you are talking about? The one series played by the starting OL in the second half (when we already had the lead)? Or maybe you just meant to ignore the facts. ** What happens if you lose to Philly on week 2 or god forbid you lose to Arizona in week one or to the cowboys (OMG)? ** A funny thing happens when you start listening to SOS enough. You stop worrying about what happens when you fail. But the rest of the paranoid league does keep this thought in the forefront of many fans' minds, so let me answer you. Life goes on. You learn your lessons. You shake hands. You tell it like it is. And then you aim to play better next week. ** What will your thoughts be? Will your delusions of granduer be snuffed out? Granted SOS was a good college and minor league coach but he still has yet to win any big NFL real game against a formeadable opponant. ** As earlier pointed out, there are no delusions of grandeur. We just know when we something different. Something that has the potential to be special. The rest of the league knows it too. SOS was not a "good" college coach. He was one of the best ever. As for your last question, we expect to hear this throughout the year. After we beat the Cards, it will be "Wait until they play a real game." After the Eagles, it will be "Wait until the game means something in December." After the Cowboy game, it will be "Oooh, bog deal, now you're 1-9." After they win the division, it will be "Big Deal, Steve Spurrier's never won an NFL playoff game in his entire life. Do it when it counts." We see it coming. There will be no excuses. When the Skins lose, it will be because they got beat. More than likely, it will be because the offense made mistakes, and the Defense wasn't able to hold off the other team long enough. Was that what you wanted to hear? ** And for the SOS Gator lovers that are bandwagoning on the Skins, I could care less about your love and expectations of the whinny one. I disliked the Gators as much as the Seminoles, you know the team you couldn't seem to beat at thier house.** Question for Bucs fans. How many Raider fans have come to your forums to tout the greatness of Gruden? How many "bandwagon" (which is a bad term) Bucs fans are there because of the presence of Gruden? Exactly. Steve Spurrier is a phenomenon. Just be glad you will one day be able to look back and say you got to see him coach. Lose the petty bitterness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 Dollar, should we have a rough start which is, in fact, very possible, here's what I think you'd see: A lot of disappointment followed by strong support for Spurrier, Lewis and Snyder and the job they would still have ahead of them. I think to a man (and woman) we're tired of the revoving door and are ready to give Spurrier time to get the job done. A lot of us believe he will be a success ... if not in the first year than at some point in the relatively near future. Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 Hey Dollar, how's it going bro. What you may be missing is that were not just ovrejoyed by blowing out SF in a meaningless game. We actually got to see our team come out and not shoot themselves in the foot. If you watched the game, you would have noticed that we had very few misques or penalties. May not seem like much to most, but after years of Norve, and one with Marty, and watching the wrong number of players on the field, or time outs burned due to it taking to long to get the play in, last week was a major step in the right direction. Those two couldn't get the team looking that crisp for the regular season, and Spurrier has them sharp in the preseason. We got a look at many of the young guys who show some promise. That's the idea right ? We've watched players be devoloped over time, only to have them go to other teams being Norve was always chicken shlitz when it came to giving a young guy a shot. I'm still pis$ed about Frank Wycheck. Spurrier will play the best man at every postion. He's willing to take chances. So ya see, this is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. When we lose, there's no reason for excuses. We don't expect to win the whole show, but if Marty didn't have his head up his arse, and played Davis more in the first five games last season, we would have made the playoffs. We still have our core group, and added some real heft to our D. We have every reason to be happy. Will you need any excuses when the Bucs lose with their new coach and system ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g8wayg8r Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 Bucs:laugh: I saw the Bucs win their first game against St Louis and have been a fan out of habit. Then I woke up from the nightmare last season. I'm finished with them. Their management was rotten when they let Williams go (he was all they had) and have always found a way to flounder through every season but two. A lot has changed with them except the fact that they stink, regardless of the coach (yes they should have thrown McKay in the Bay) or the star players they have had. I wonder what's up with that. Anyway, in regards to running up the score, a poster at Gator Country wrote something I agree with completely, and it happened to be a quote form dear ol' Bobby Bowden. He pointed out that if you don't score and you can in basketball, it's called point shaving and they put you in jail. So, what's your beef other than the Skins will score more in their first three games that the Busc did all last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsanity56 Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 onedollar are you still pissed that the glazers' screwed up & missed out on spurrier????????:shootinth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 You framed the question poorly, Dollar. I think all agree with that. The question itself is vallid, but foolish. I believe I will feel the same way you will feel if the Bucs lose their opener. Frustrated. Will it diminish my fervor for the 'skins. Nope. I survived the Norv years which were pretty lean, just as I believe you survived many years where the bucs were absolute laughing stocks. If you became a bucs fan only after Dungy and their playoff run, then I would think differently about you, but I remember growing up that a five win season for the bucs was considered a positive surprise, and impressive improvement. If you survived that and are still a fan, I applaud you for it. Similarly, if the Redskins start out struggling. I will yell, scream, and get frustrated, but my belief in them or at least my support will not get diminished. Within this community I think we will all feel the same. Some with more fire and some with more reason. This last game however, though only a preseason one, had meaning. For those who suggested that Spurrier was lax and spent too few hours, at least for now we saw an efficient, nearly mistake free team. For those who laughed at his system, we saw it work (admittedly against a preseason defense. On the other hand, how often do you usually see teams do what the 49ers did, which is run multiple corner and offside blitzes in the first preseason game?) There is only one team whose fans are allowed to run around without delusions of grandeur and this year, that's the Patriots. I have delusions of grandeur, I want to believe my team can win it all. I should believe that. Don't you believe that about the Bucs? The Bucs have an aging defense and their defensive mastermind departed, a new offensive system- one radically different from what any of your veterans have ever played probably- questions at O-line, a good signing in McCardell to help production, but again the signing of a very old receiver who just got hurt... but despite this, I bet you still feel good about your teams chances. And you should. Why not? Sports is the one place where "let them eat cake" has validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Sway Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 Well, he's right in that the Redskins will lose a game eventually (I refuse to jinx a perfect season) but I'm fairly confident that if they do it'll be to a better team. It happens. But it won't happen to the cowboys.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 Jealousy sucks, doesn't it? You see, what really has your panties all in a wad is the fact that you know with Spurrier, "The System" will kick in soon enough, and we will run up points left and right. And we will do it simply because we can. And with our D, there won't be a friggin' thing you or many others can do about it. Meanwhile, the Bucs window is closing rapidly, and may in fact already have passed you by. So, even with Chucky on board, it may mean a return trip to the cellar. HAve fun down there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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