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Has Greg Williams gotten too big for his britches?


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Look at the players we have on the field. All of our D-line, with the exception of Griffin, are backups on other teams. Our middle linebacker is a backup, walt harris is a backup. Did you really expect this defense to be as great without Pierce? He was the brains of the operation on the field. Marshall is nowhere near as good.

Actually, Walt Harris has been a starter most of his career.

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Do you think things have gone to his head to the point where he's not the same Greg Williams we've grown to love any more?

He hasn't changed. In Buffalo he had the same ego issues which eventually forced him out.

I think he is agreat DCord but do not think he would make a good HC untill he changes. We have been getting beat by the same play 4 weeks in a row and if somehow the Eagles find their running game on us, I would be very worried.

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The only few things I'll say against GW is that he didn't fight hard enough for an impact DE during the Draft or FAgency. This team needs a dominat DE, at least on one side somewhere.

Okay...let's shatter this myth that we NEED a dominant defensive end. Sure, it would be nice, but we don't need one.

Last season, Pat Kerney was 4th in the NFL in sacks with 13 AND Rod Coleman was 8th with 11.5. Atlanta's defense was ranked 14th overall.

KGB was 3rd in the NFL in sacks with 13.5. Green Bay's defense was ranked 25th overall.

Bert Berry was 2nd with 14.5 sacks. AZ's defense was ranked 12th.

Dwight Freeney was ranked 1st with 16 sacks AND Robert Mathis was ranked 13th with 10.5. Indy's defense was ranked 29th overall.

Conversely, Pittsburgh, the number one rated defense in the league's top sack artist had 8. Remember, our top sack performer was Griffin and Springs with 6. Buffalo, the number 2 defense, top sack artist had 8 as well. Philly's top sacker had 7.5, and they sported the 10th ranked defense, and went to the superbowl.

I guess my point is that DE is only one facet of a strong defense. And while it is true that a strong, pass-rushing DE would be good, it is obvious that it is not the only thing that matters.

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I think GW is doing a fine job. I think he will be here again next year. I also think that the Giants offensive line deserves alot of credit.

Offensively the Off didn't help the defense. Correct me if I am wrong but the giants defense was ranked 31st in the league coming into the game. If we could have moved the ball some,used up the clock and scored some TDs then maybe the defense doesn't get beaten so badly.

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And you did not answer my question. I hope you are not trying to be difficult, even so I will congratulate you on at least not getting personal to be difficult this time. But your answer is in that question's answer, grasshopper.

If you don't have an answer to my very clear, direct question then that in and of itself is an answer. To keep dodging the question and answering it with another question about a poll that I didn't vote in, don't even recall nor care about screams that your position is too weak to defend. We're waiting.

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If you don't have an answer to my very clear, direct question then that in and of itself is an answer. To keep dodging the question and answering it with another question about a poll that I didn't vote in, don't even recall nor care about screams that your position is too weak to defend. We're waiting.

Au contrare, my position is strong enough you cannot refute it. But you seem conflicted - why ask for answers for someone you truly believed was a "liar" & "hypocrite"?? Hmmm, you must use the terms much more losely & casually than I do. Maybe one day we can talk more openly, one day when we know each other well enough to know we are not "liars" or "hypocrites". Until then I don't see the need to humor you. Make your case without me if you have one except to be contrary.

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i think gw is trying new plays, and its taking the defense longer to adjust. Cause most coaches fix their problems immediately, and its kinda obvious our defense is making mistakes. I don't think williams is obnoxious and won't admit he is wrong. I think he's the kinda coach that varies it up, and confuses the offense, so i think he's just trying new things. This is just a thought i have no idea for sure.

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If you don't have an answer to my very clear, direct question then that in and of itself is an answer. To keep dodging the question and answering it with another question about a poll that I didn't vote in, don't even recall nor care about screams that your position is too weak to defend. We're waiting.

Forget it, Dirk...he's a fan of just spewing his point and then just insulting you to continue his argument instead of backing it up. You'll never get an answer.

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fick·le (fkl)

ADJECTIVE:

Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments; capricious.

I wouldn't say that. See this thread I started a while ago....

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122531

If there wasn't the same problem week in and week out that never got fixed in combinatoin with snipping at reporters when asked about it, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

For me to have been fickle, I would have to have been kissing butt during those other weeks the when defense was getting gashed on the same big run wich I was not. I was questioning it.

I think the problem is he refuses to adjust his players. Because I do agree that the players play and they are the ones that miss the tackles and blow assignments, but it is the coaches job to rearange the personel so they all have a better chance to succeed. The coach puts those same players out there and if a player isn't performing while another one is, it's the coaches job to make the switch. Williams just seems to refuse to do so only to prove a point.

But like I said, we gave him alot of love, and I just worry after all that and with what I've seen recently that he's gotten too big of an ego out of it. To me he just doesn't seem like the same guy.

A great coach is not made by his schemes, he is made by his players. It's his job to adjust and put his best players out on the field. Not try and prove a point that any old player will do... or that his schemes are what is what wins the game.

It's the players more so than the scheme, and I'd like him to acknowlege that and adjust the defensive personell or make diffferent packages to fix the problems we've been seeing week after week after week after week. You would think that after 5 weeks in a row being gashed by the same exact play he would have gotten the point.

But here we are AGAIN getting gashed by the outside run....

Sigh...

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Au contrare, my position is strong enough you cannot refute it. But you seem conflicted - why ask for answers for someone you truly believed was a "liar" & "hypocrite"?? Hmmm, you must use the terms much more losely & casually than I do. Maybe one day we can talk more openly, one day when we know each other well enough to know we are not "liars" or "hypocrites". Until then I don't see the need to humor you. Make your case without me if you have one except to be contrary.

I can’t help but recall a time not too long ago when you wanted to “agree to disagree” to “move on” to avoid “getting personal” when posting. Despite your best efforts to call me out in other posts since then, I’ve been happy to either ignore you or stick to football when I see something worth discussing – essentially abiding by the now hollow words you’ve written. Instead of heading your own advice, you get personal and antagonistic not once but twice on this thread. First when “congratulating me” for not getting personal and then by bringing out the same tired, old, dirty laundry of the past that nobody really cares. People don’t want to see pissing matches they want football, right? And you claimed to be in that lot, no? But when confronted with a very simple football question, the answers are anything but football-related. If your wittle feelings were so hurt from past aspersions then you could have just told me upfront that you didn’t want to play ball with someone so mean. But you didn’t so we’re forced to believe that your position is just too flimsy to share.

You’re welcome to continue on about the non-football stuff that no one cares about. I’ll even give you the last word because I’m not looking to turn this into yet another one of your pissing matches. But should you decide to answer my simple question, then we can engage in a nice football chat.

Here’s to discussing football. :cheers:

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Dirk Diggler,

Fill your posts with as much of "your pissing matches" as you want, it only makes you look like you have a hygiene problem.

Profile of an embarassed Lavar-basher: 14 sentences of false & personal allegations, ended with "Here's to discussing football".:laugh: Here is the bottome line - you have called me out by name, I spoke to you only in response. It's clear who is going after who. It's clear we have an honesty problem between us (perceptual or real). Go talk with people you think are more honest.

On football? Go ahead make a case for Gregg Williams being better than Ray Rhodes & Marvin Lewis. Do it already! Do it already! Otherwise stop fishing for a dispute to redeem yourself on after embarassing yourself with your Lavar-bashing spats.

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Forget it, Dirk...he's a fan of just spewing his point and then just insulting you to continue his argument instead of backing it up. You'll never get an answer.

jrockster77,

Go ahead make a case for Gregg Williams being better than Ray Rhodes & Marvin Lewis. Do it already! Do it already! Otherwise stop fishing for disputes in other threads because your friends embarassed themselves with their Lavar-smacktalking. It was obvious you were doing the dirty work for your embarassed Lavar smacktalking friends, both there & here.

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