JoeKnowsBest Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know after all the love we showed him and the things I've seen him do with the stupborn attitude I've seen out of him these past 3 weeks, I really am wondering if it all has gone to his head to the point where he does things just to try and prove a point. It seems he refused to make changes and adjust his personell just because of the questions the media and fans have about it. This isn't just the Lavar thing I'm talking about here. I'm talking about consistantly getting gashed for big run plays IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT consistantly week after week after week. And he appears to get angry any time you ask him about the problems. As though you are wrong for asking about it, and him not wrong for the flawed product from the same issues every week. I love what Greg Williams has done for this defense, but latetly I'm not seeing it. Do you think things have gone to his head to the point where he's not the same Greg Williams we've grown to love any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daanie Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I think GW is great, but I agree, lately he has been acting arrogantly...snapping at reporters... He'll likely be a head coach next year, and then Blache can take over at D Cord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKnowsBest Posted November 1, 2005 Author Share Posted November 1, 2005 Blache scares me though. P. Daniels is his man, and Daniels hasn't done much to help us at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood2k3 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I agree, he does act like you can't ask him about the problemes we have on defense and after watching us get gashed week, after week on some of the same plays to the SAME side, he almost never changes his personnel. I hate you Phillip Daniels!! You suck Holdman!! You wouldn't start on a HS team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know after all the love we showed him and the things I've seen him do with the stupborn attitude I've seen out of him these past 3 weeks, I really am wondering if it all has gone to his head to the point where he does things just to try and prove a point.It seems he refused to make changes and adjust his personell just because of the questions the media and fans have about it. This isn't just the Lavar thing I'm talking about here. I'm talking about consistantly getting gashed for big run plays IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT consistantly week after week after week. And he appears to get angry any time you ask him about the problems. As though you are wrong for asking about it, and him not wrong for the flawed product from the same issues every week. I love what Greg Williams has done for this defense, but latetly I'm not seeing it. Do you think things have gone to his head to the point where he's not the same Greg Williams we've grown to love any more? Look at the players we have on the field. All of our D-line, with the exception of Griffin, are backups on other teams. Our middle linebacker is a backup, walt harris is a backup. Did you really expect this defense to be as great without Pierce? He was the brains of the operation on the field. Marshall is nowhere near as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I've noticed that GW never finds faults with the defensive playcalls when asked about how a big play happened. He ALWAYS chalks it up, kinda matter of factly, to missed tackles and/or someone being out of position. It's almost like the scheme/playcall could not have possibly been to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Look at the players we have on the field. All of our D-line, with the exception of Griffin, are backups on other teams. Our middle linebacker is a backup, walt harris is a backup. Did you really expect this defense to be as great without Pierce? He was the brains of the operation on the field. Marshall is nowhere near as good. I think you're giving Pierce too much credit....or Marshall not enough. Pierce had a great year last season but he had a healthy rotation of Griffin,Noble and Salave'a in front of him. Marshall has had no Noble and a gimpy Griffin and Salave'a to provide lanes for him to make the tackle. All things considered, I think Lemar Marshall is having the best season so far week in and week out on our defense. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 What I see with William's is that he is kind of a rigid fellow, even defensive at times when questioned about some of his decisions. You have to expect questions when you are not doing consistently well on your side of the ball. It is kind of insane to stick with the same plans or decisions when you continue to get bad results week and week out in the same areas. So that is where I do not see much flexibility. The adjustments that Joe Gibb's is famous for at half time do not just apply to the offense. William's has to see that there are problems and make the appropriate adjustments as well so that both sides of the ball are in sync. I am really going to be interested to see this Philadelphia game for a number of reasons. First, what is William's going to do differently, SO we do not give up the long runs? How does he stay consistent with the passing D, while stopping the run? Benching Holdman should have happened 3 games ago, and Harris IMO needs a good sitting down. I am ready to see the leadership, enthusiasm etc Arrington brings to the game. The "disciplined schemes" Williams is so damn proud of are not working. Guy's are so out of position, so lost on angles to make tackles, you just have to hope he makes the adjustments, because evidently it is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Last week... Silence as far as GW being a good or bad coach.. After one lose, here comes these goofy ****s with plenty of bad to say about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaadin123 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Its not just GW, Gibbs is reluctant to obvious change also, hell look at how long he stuck with Brunell last year before pulling him, Im not saying Brunell is a bad QB but clearly last year he nedded to be benched before week 9. Also look at how long it took him to finally agree that , yes, we do need to use the shotgun. How long will it take him to realize Jacobs would probably be a better #2 receiver than Patten. I love our coaching staff but sometimes they ALL can be reluctant to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slm2856 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I don't think that Jacobs would be a better #2 at all. Has Jacobs ever even played an entire half? There must be a reason for that beside his injuries. I personally think the D will come out looking better this week. Williams has done an amazing job, give him time to get the players back to the fundamentals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I see we have alot of people jumping off the GW bandwagon after 7 games...How many takles did GW miss on Sunday...0...let's face it, we got our butts handed to us by the Giants...but not enough to question the coaching staff that we thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread all last year and this year...I have one word for you fickle fans here...RELAX....It was 1 game...I think GW will have the boys ready to play come Sunday night...Let's judge the coaching staff after the Eagles game before we jump ship and holler "S.O.S!" The season is over after 16 games, not 7...Remember, the year the Patriots won their 2nd superbowl, the first game of the season they were blown out 31-0! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaadin123 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I don't think that Jacobs would be a better #2 at all. Has Jacobs ever even played an entire half? There must be a reason for that beside his injuries. I personally think the D will come out looking better this week. Williams has done an amazing job, give him time to get the players back to the fundamentals. I say Jacobs would be better simply because of his speed, even if he couldn't catch all that well, he could at least catch a screen and get some good yardage on the run after the catch (rac) or perhaps on an end around, he could even stretch the field and open up the field for Moss, these are things that we dont seem to be getting out of Patten, hey it's just my opinion but Im no ball coach either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldflyerBob Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Nothing wrong with the way Jacobs catches the ball. If there is a problem with him, other than injuries, it may be the way he runs routes. That is speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 The fact is on the freakin' first run of the game ST took a horrible angle and had know chance to make a play, but hey that Gregg Williams is to blame for that one. Oh the second long run Walt Harris has a free shot on Tiki, remember Walt blitzed, had wasn't within 2 yards of Tiki, again that must have been Williams fault. Griffin, our best DL, only playing two downs, that has to be Greggs fault that he was injured and the backups got man handled all game. I highly suggest watching the game completely before assessing blame. Coaches can only put players in position to make the plays, they can't actually make the plays. I forgot that was Gregg Williams getting shakin off of Shockey like a rag doll not Lavar Arrington. I also forgot how Gregg Williams had that heartless goal line tackle on Brandon Jacobs, not Kherry Campbell. It can never be a players fault for a bad game can it? :eaglesuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 The fact is on the freakin' first run of the game ST took a horrible angle and had know chance to make a play, but hey that Gregg Williams is to blame for that one.Oh the second long run Walt Harris has a free shot on Tiki, remember Walt blitzed, had wasn't within 2 yards of Tiki, again that must have been Williams fault. Griffin, our best DL, only playing two downs, that has to be Greggs fault that he was injured and the backups got man handled all game. I highly suggest watching the game completely before assessing blame. Coaches can only put players in position to make the plays, they can't actually make the plays. I forgot that was Gregg Williams getting shakin off of Shockey like a rag doll not Lavar Arrington. I also forgot how Gregg Williams had that heartless goal line tackle on Brandon Jacobs, not Kherry Campbell. It can never be a players fault for a bad game can it? :eaglesuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck :applause: :applause: :applause: Right on Point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Of course it can be a players fault for big plays. But we've seen a pattern develop over the last four or five weeks. And it's both hard and completely unfair IMO to put the blame on the players and on the players only for each and every one of those plays. The blame has to be shared in cases where it's clear that there's a specific problem and that's something i've never seen GW do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor ToughLove Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know after all the love we showed him and the things I've seen him do with the stupborn attitude I've seen out of him these past 3 weeks, I really am wondering if it all has gone to his head to the point where he does things just to try and prove a point.It seems he refused to make changes and adjust his personell just because of the questions the media and fans have about it. This isn't just the Lavar thing I'm talking about here. I'm talking about consistantly getting gashed for big run plays IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT consistantly week after week after week. And he appears to get angry any time you ask him about the problems. As though you are wrong for asking about it, and him not wrong for the flawed product from the same issues every week. I love what Greg Williams has done for this defense, but latetly I'm not seeing it. Do you think things have gone to his head to the point where he's not the same Greg Williams we've grown to love any more? I think people were being too high on Gregg Williams before and are too low on Gregg Williams now. Gregg Williams is a solid defense coach along the lines of Shottenheimer, but he is not as exceptional as Ray Rhodes or Marvin Lewis was. Interesting enough Shottenheimer is also a bit ridgid, that's who Gregg Williams reminds me of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd_sr Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Loyal2Washington makes a great point. On the first play, Taylor takes an inside pursuit angle and takes himself out the play, and Springs runs Tiki down from the other side of the field. On that 2nd run though, Harris went where he is probably supposed to go, where the QB will be after he takes his drops. If he goes in shallow, he gets blocked by the RB, you can't blame Harris on that one. And Harris IS a starting DB, just like Smoot and Bailey are, but just like any other player, they have bad games. What concerns me is the lack of pass rush, which makes the Skins have to blitz to pressure the QB. I mean, how many 3rd and longs do we blitz and the O converts because we are force to zone cover? We really need some good DEs in here, and that has been the case for years. And we need a good return man too, our Special teams are pathetic, not special at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Of course it can be a players fault for big plays. But we've seen a pattern develop over the last four or five weeks. And it's both hard and completely unfair IMO to put the blame on the players and on the players only for each and every one of those plays. It's completely unfair to blame Williams for players in abilities to make plays that are there to be made. It's not like the Gnats fooled Washington and Tiki was untouched running down the sidelines. Also the three TO's happened on our side of the field, I guess that was Williams fault also. I applaud the D's effort to keep the score at 19 at halftime, and IMO no player gave up, I just find it comical that GW is the source of the D's problems, and that some people can't find fault in the players to execute their assignments. :eaglesuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 On that 2nd run though, Harris went where he is probably supposed to go, where the QB will be after he takes his drops. If he goes in shallow, he gets blocked by the RB, you can't blame Harris on that one. Even on a blitz you have to play contain first, if you don't then... well we seen the results. Harris has to know that any run to his side of the field is going to be undefended and he has to protect his area. :eaglesuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegademrnate23 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 No, we just got our heads handed to us, I dont think this is a system loss, this was just a EVERYONE, coaches and players just sucked on sunday. I do not think that we can make a call on Williams based on last week. He is a man of condifence, not too big for britches. :eaglesuck :eaglesuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know after all the love we showed him and the things I've seen him do with the stupborn attitude I've seen out of him these past 3 weeks, I really am wondering if it all has gone to his head to the point where he does things just to try and prove a point.It seems he refused to make changes and adjust his personell just because of the questions the media and fans have about it. This isn't just the Lavar thing I'm talking about here. I'm talking about consistantly getting gashed for big run plays IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT consistantly week after week after week. And he appears to get angry any time you ask him about the problems. As though you are wrong for asking about it, and him not wrong for the flawed product from the same issues every week. I love what Greg Williams has done for this defense, but latetly I'm not seeing it. Do you think things have gone to his head to the point where he's not the same Greg Williams we've grown to love any more? You lost me at "stupborn" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 It's completely unfair to blame Williams for players in abilities to make plays that are there to be made. It's not like the Gnats fooled Washington and Tiki was untouched running down the sidelines.Also the three TO's happened on our side of the field, I guess that was Williams fault also. I applaud the D's effort to keep the score at 19 at halftime, and IMO no player gave up, I just find it comical that GW is the source of the D's problems, and that some people can't find fault in the players to execute their assignments. :eaglesuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck It goes both ways and I realize that. There's enough wrong with the D giving up big runs on a specific side that blame can obviously be placed on both player execution AND coaches scheme/philosophy IMO. My point is, I've yet to see GW take blame for any of it as Gibbs has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd_sr Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 well, the Giants had the perfect gameplan against a blitzing team...Run at the blitz, and thats what they did on that play. That was a pass blitz, not a run blitz, and when you blitz the corner as GW does alot, someone takes that outside responsibility in the scheme, so the flat to that side was in no way Harris' responsibility. If we can keep GW, and focus on the D-Line this offseason and the draft, this D will take leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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