Ramsey's accuracy?

[RiggoDrill]

An interesting question was raised on a Ramsey signing/rant thread, but there was no answer ..

Does anyone know anything about Ramsey other than "smart", "tough", and "big arm"?

For instance, how accurate is he? Can he put the ball where only the receiver can get it? How accurate is he on the outs?

Does he have good touch on a variety of passes: swing passes, outs, deep-on-a-rope, deep-with-air, etc?

Has anyone watched him play?

[Dirk Diggler]

From what I've heard he's a pretty streaky passer.

[Awesome]

I would think that accuracy would be more important in the East Coast Offense than a cannon arm, like DW proved on Saturday

I hope Ramsey's accuracy is as good as his arm strencth is supposed to be

[Johnny Punani2]

I understand he has all the throws. The only thing that held him back from being a top pick was his ability to get out of the pocket.

[CMonster]

Riggo,

I've seen Pat play extensively.

He can make ALL the throws. I think the best comparison I heard, and this was BEFORE the Senior Bowl, was that Pat was Rex Grossman with a cannon arm. If the "hot" trend for QBs wasn't mobility, he would have been a higher pick. Pat was strictly a pocket passer in college, but he has supposedly be working on that with a QB coach hired by Mr. Jackass.....I mean Mr. Sexton. Pat is also not afraid of a pass rush at all, and was notable for having patience in the pocket to stand tall and deliver timely throws even under heavy pressure.

As someone with a finance degree from Tulane, I can tell you that graduating in 3.5 years with a double finance and accounting major means he's pretty smart and remarkably hard working. Those are individually the two hardest majors in Tulane's undergrad business program and the accounting major is the most time consuming.

[InstiGATOR]

Ramsey is nothing like Grossman with an arm. First of all Grossman might have a better arm than Ramsey. Second Ramsey was not a very efficient QB at Tulane.

Here is a comparison of the two last year:

Player-----ATT/COMP/INT----YARDS----TDs----QB Rating

Ramsey----449-256-13------2935------22-------81.1

Grossman-395-259-12------3896------34------113.9

The QB ratings are NFL calculations. Every time this comes up I go to ESPN.com to get the data. I get the Grossman data remember again that Ramsey was not among the 50 top QBs last year in terms of QB rating and go to the Tulane clubhouse to get his data.

Ramsey was not in the same zip code as Grossman. He took 50+ more attempts to throw for almost 1000 fewer yards, 12 fewer TDs and one extra pick.

This also reminds me of what a mystery draft pick this was to me. I doubt very seriously that this guy becomes an SOS type QB. I can not see the future of course but he does not come out of college looking like he would be a good fit for the SOS system like say a Leftwich does.

[G.Smitty]

You're comparison between Grossman and Ramsey's statistics means nothing.

Ramsey did not have a Gaffney or Caldwell to throw the ball to. Ramsey also did not have Steve Spurrier coaching him, or calling the plays. That is all.

[redman]

Originally posted by InstiGATOR

Ramsey is nothing like Grossman with an arm.

Uh, oh. It was only a matter of time before Gator Nation took up the gauntlet. :laugh:

[bulldog]

Tulane, pardon my expression, is a dogpatch school in terms of football

comparing the raw numbers of a quarterback from Tulane with those of a quarterback on a perennial national championship contender and trying to make a final judgment based on that is just ridiculous.

Grossman may or may not turn out to be a better pro, but either way, he had a helluva lot more help from the coaching staff and his teammates.

Florida annually has what, 3 or 4 players taken in the top 60 picks?

when was the last time a Tulane player was taken #1 or #2?

this is like when Phil Simms came out of Morehead St. in 1979. Ramsey is here on raw ability to chuck the football.

He will have to learn to hone in on subtle aspects of football at this level, but he has as good as shot as most coming out and being taken at that point in the draft.

to say otherwise is just not to be fair to the player

[GURU]

Actually, bulldog, Phil Simms is a great comparison, both based on ability and experience.

I always liked Simms. Thorn in the Redskins' side for many years. Very smart. Very effecient. Could even win a game throwing, if he had to. Very underrated, in my opinion. Simms probably would have been great in Spurrier's offense.

I think he got labeled as limited and more of a game-managing QB because he played for Bill Parcels and in a very conservative offensive system. He was a much better pure passer than he was usually given credit for.

[SonnyJ]

InstiGator,

You couldn't possibly have been serious with that comparison, could you? If so, that is one of the more absurd comparisons I've ever seen. Talk about apples and oranges.

It's like seeing a 100-yard dash between two guys, with one getting, say, a 50+ yard head start. When the guy with the head start (naturally) wins, would you claim that guy to be faster?

[Dickens]

So does Sage have a shot at all of making the roster? I would hate to lose him, I think he could become a good qb.

[Funkyalligator]

There is no way to compare Grossman and Ramsey at all. Ramsey was the only offensive weapon for Tulane the whole time that he was there. He probably was sacked at least twice as many times as Grossman and pressured a lot more, he doesn't have an all-american starting OL. His coach wasn't all that good and I'm sure the training regiment prescribed wasn't as good. If Ramsey could lose 19 pounds while working out in the off season imagine what he could do when getting ready during the season. He is a very tough quarterback, and if he gets in better shape(which he will) he will become a lot more mobile.

[ChrisFul]

You have to understand, Florida Gator fans (Especially those that come from GatorCountry) think that Florida QBs are best things the position has ever seen. How DARE you compare a Florida QB to an NFL 1st round draft pick?? Florida QBs are instantly superior, because, well, they played ball at Florida! :laugh:

[Art]

Insti, I love you Gator boys and all, but you are way off target if you don't think Ramsey has a bigger arm than Grossman. No doubt Grossman was a more effective passer in Steve Spurrier's Florida offense than Ramsey was at Tulane. But, in terms of pure passing ability, Grossman isn't going to win out over Ramsey by anyone's measure. That doesn't mean Grossman sucks. It just means he doesn't have Ramsey's arm. Few players are reported to have such an arm.

[Potato Sack]

Actually, isn't it quite ironic that a Gator fan would even MAKE that comparison? I mean, isn't Spurrier now the Head Coach for the Redskins? Doesn't that mean that Ramsey will now be the better of the two?

[G-Town]

Do you remember in a thread a while ago about Peyton Manning talking about Ramsey? Ramsey went to his qb camp and impressed Manning alot with his arm and accruacy. Ramsey was even a coach at the camp this year or last. Manning also said Ramsey could make throws he could not have. Not bad at all.

[Orange&Blue Skins]

I ran into Grossman 3 weeks ago in Orlando. You have to stand next to the guy to appreciate his size; it's freakish. To see him on TV he seems to have decent size, but in person his proportions are ridiculous. He has the largest head I've ever seen on a human. He is indestructible. The kid can make throws across his body down field on the run.

Ramsey is no Grossman. It is good to hear that Ramsey has some smarts, otherwise its a one-way ticket to Palookaville courtesy the HBC. Ala the other studs with arms were completely useless in the Fun and Gun. i.e. Terry Dean, Bobby Saublehaus, and Doug Johnson.

Don't forget, Grossman schooled the number 1# recruit in the nation and sent Berlin packing to Miami.

Also, Tulane is patsy that plays other patsies. Grossman plays in the SEC against some of the best secondaries in the country. Who does Tulane play with DB speed?

[redman]

Originally posted by Orange&Blue Skins

He has the largest head I've ever seen on a human.

Check out Senor Ramsey for a rather large and, uh, interesting looking cranium.

[Orange&Blue Skins]

Well, he's no Broadway Joe. Maybe they can cut ahole in a pumpkin and sling a chinstrap on it.

[BlitzFiftySix]

Wow, these threads have become poisoned with Gator nepotism. As Redskins fans, I think we try to call things like we see it. If someone suggested to me that Art Monk was a better receiver than Jerry Rice I would be realistic and not see the comparisons through burgandy and gold colored glasses. I think it is great that Gator nation is so optimistic but damn, I haven't seen brainwashing like this since David Koresh. I talked to a Gator Fan (family) at training camp yesterday - if you looked closely you could see the blue gator logo spinning wildly in his eyeballs. Maybe over the next 10 years we can lay claim to a few championships and I too will be blissfully under the Spurrier spell.

[luckydevil]

Actually I have read some great things about Grossman arm. I from what I understand he would often piss of Spurrier, but Spurrier kept on playing him because of his raw talent. I also recall reading right before draft that Ramsey was hitting everything in workouts and in the senior bowl( which caused his stock to rise). I even read some reports he looked better then Harrington and wasnt that far behind Carr in terms of his arm.

[CMonster]

OK, There are few things that pi$$ me off as much as the constant Tulane bashing that comes with every single Ramsey reference...

Let me dispell some rumors and state some facts....

It is not at all true to say that Ramsey never had any offensive talent around him. The fault lies with the coaching staff. After Tulane's undefeated 1998 (Tulane finished #6 in the country, and should have been given a shot at the MNC, but BCS politics kept them out). Tommy Bowden left for Clemson and Tulane did not want another coach who would use Tulane as a "stepping stone". They subsequently hired the youngest coach in D-1, a guy who has long family ties to Tulane. Chris Scelfo was an up-and-coming assistant and Jim Donnan's reecruiting coordinator at Marshall and Georgia. To say that Scelfo has been a disappointment on the field thus far would be an understatement. Scelfo appointed his brother as offensive coordinator, a guy who had never been in a position higher than TE coach at Tulane, and most extensively was a RB coach in high school. Pat's growth was stunted, and the playcalling was terrible.

Scelfo is on the hot seat this year.

But Pat has had far more talent than any of you realize.

*Pat's first year starting he had JuJuan Dawson at WR. JuJuan finished second on the Biletnikoff (sp?) award voting as top WR in the country and may start across from Kevin Johnson in Cleveland this year. JuJuan had over 90 catches that year.

*The last two years Pat has been throwing to Roydell Williams, who was a guy LSU wanted badly, and he caught 11 TDs as a true sophomore last year. He will definitely be a first day NFL draft pick.

* The last two years Pat has had Mewelde Moore at RB. Mewelde is a definite first round NFL draft pick if he comes out early this year. He led NCAA in yards from scrimmage last year by a wide margin.

*Pat's first two years starting he had Bernard Robertson at LT, who is slated to start for the Bears at LT this year.

* Since the Gator fans got SO bent out of shape when I mentioned the Grossman-Ramsey comparison, I'll let you know that NICK SABAN was the originator of that comment. And just to rub it in for you Gator fans, Saban said that Tulane's skill people were the best they would face all year (Ramsey, Moore, Williams, Terrell Harris (Panthers). Look it up.

*Ramsey is the third consecutive Tulane QB to play in the NFL (Jonathan Quinn, Shaun King) and the next QB, JP Losman is the highest rated of the bunch. Losman was rated higher coming out of high school than Rex Grossman.

Attention Gator fans. Just because someone doesn't play in the SEC does not mean they are playing high school ball. Ramsey threw for 343 yards against LSU last year, and last I checked they were a BCS team.

[Orange&Blue Skins]

C-mon,

I’ve got nothing against Pat. I hope he does well because we bought the guy. However, with the benefit of hindsight, we should’ve bought a guard.

For the record:

Florida vs LSU (Oct 06, 2001 at Baton Rouge, La.)

Florida-Rex Grossman 22 comp- 32 att- 5 td- 1 int- 464 yds

By the way, Brock Berlin played QB in the fourth Qtr.

Saban = Over rated, over paid.

[CMonster]

Orange & Blue,

I agree completely about Saban.

I do remember Grossman tearing Ellis Hugh a new one last year. But back to my point, if Ramsey and his skill people were running Spurrier's offense and vice versa, I think you'd find it would have worked out pretty similarly.