Cannon2 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I was listening to 980AM on the way to College Park this evening and Riggins was talking about the game and he took the Redskins which didn't suprise me, but his reasons did. He said his deciding factor was the death of the Giants owner. He claimed that a passing like this which one would think would be motivational actually has an adverse affect on a team being that the mood in the organization is somber and things like attending a funeral really make some players question things like mortality and take away from the importance of the game. Im not saying I agree or disagree with this but certainly thought it was interesting and worth a talk on ES. On another note is anyone sick of Antonio Pierce running his fat lips. Im not a big fan of trash talking before a game so Im not gunna even get started on him, because I already know everything he does will get replayed 84 times by Fox because of their stupid soap opera story lines but Im really looking forward to our offense smoking their whole D. Go Skins :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hmm. We need some historic examples. Lombardi died Sep 3, 1970. Redskins lost next two games by 9 and 10 points, then finished playing .500, ended up 6-8. Might have been inferior coaching, though. Hard to tell. Can anybody else come up with an example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 This comes off to me as sort of a low brow statement if he infact did make it. I dunno. Death is something that transends our petty team sports and life problems. It's something everyone has in common with everyone else. To intertwine that with a football game and citing that as a reason for our victory just doesn't sit well with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fayz Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 riggins has a point though,mara has been around for ever every giant knows him,his passing might upset the concentration of a few players here n there when out there playing,im sure the news of his death put practice/team meetings on hold for a bit for the giants but i dont think it would be the deciding factor...fact is all things point to a redskins win we have a better offense,a better defense and a better coaching staff it will take either something special from a giants player or something daft from the redskins to lose this game(ie 7 turnovers like last seasons game there,even then they only beat us by 6 points?!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 This comes off to me as sort of a low brow statement if he infact did make it. I dunno. Death is something that transends our petty team sports and life problems. It's something everyone has in common with everyone else. To intertwine that with a football game and citing that as a reason for our victory just doesn't sit well with me. Think you're reading too much into his statement. Look at it this way - football is the job of these players and coaches. Don't you think if someone close to you died, that it would negatively impact your work performance? That maybe you just wouldn't be able to focus on your job as you normally might? This is why there is leave for bereavement, so employees can deal with the loss. Unfortunately, as professional football players, they are not afforded that opportunity. It's not an invalid point that he makes, though, honestly, I don't think Mara's death will have much impact on their performance, one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgjk9 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 cant come up with an example, i think regardless of the wellington mara factor we could beat them. i think if we play turnover free and eliminate the big play we are flat out the better team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autographcollector Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 This comes off to me as sort of a low brow statement if he infact did make it. I dunno. Death is something that transends our petty team sports and life problems. It's something everyone has in common with everyone else. To intertwine that with a football game and citing that as a reason for our victory just doesn't sit well with me. Dude it was a sports talk show they were discussing a game in new york and oh yeah the owner of the team just died. Czaban asked him if the Giants rally in memory of their owner or opposite. It's not about intertwining death and a sports game. Its a sports talk show discussing the upcoming game...and like it or not his death is a factor. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Isn't this the guy who said we should be starting Campbell under center? Has he admitted he was wrong yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelong Skins Fan Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hmm. We need some historic examples. Lombardi died Sep 3, 1970. Redskins lost next two games by 9 and 10 points, then finished playing .500, ended up 6-8. Might have been inferior coaching, though. Hard to tell. Can anybody else come up with an example? How about the more loveable Jack Kent Cooke dies and the redskins languish in mediocrity till Coach Joe returns to pull them out of their funk. The Giants could struggle for a decade, or at least years if they do not hire Norv Turner. :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkowi Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 this is silly reasoning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If this were late in the year and the Giants were 5-8 or something, I could see them giving away this game. However, they're 4-2, playing at home against a team tied with them for first in the division. They're going to be up for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsphoto Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Isn't this the guy who said we should be starting Campbell under center? Has he admitted he was wrong yet? Actually that's not an accurate charactorization of Riggo position on the quarterback position. His finally position on the Redskins show was, "Gibbs has a decision to make, whether his word to Patrick is more important than playing the better QB right now and that's Brunell." 48 hours later Brunnell was playing. It's my quess, but I think that statement had a profound affect on Gibbs. I also thought it accurately charactorized the what was going on. I also agree with Riggo on the "questioning there own mortality." Look what happened to the Vikings after Stringers death. And currently with the 49ers and the (I can't remember his name) offensive lineman. It's impacted Smith and the rest of the team. I know if JKC was still alive it would have taken Joe Gibbs to come back to turn the sinking ship around. He had a son that participated in the organization as well. I don't think anyone can predict the obvious catastrophic affects of having the owner of 40 years, who shook every hand, went to every practice, leaving the organization. Loss of the top leader is a loss not a gain. Depression is part of morning, Riggo a very good point. Mara was beyond a fixture obviously, Going to a funeral two days before the game, can not be a good thing for anyone, the mourning process is real. I don't think getting pumped up is part and parcel of mourning. Coughlin said the emotions were all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWUeagleMD Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 This comes off to me as sort of a low brow statement if he infact did make it. I dunno. Death is something that transends our petty team sports and life problems. It's something everyone has in common with everyone else. To intertwine that with a football game and citing that as a reason for our victory just doesn't sit well with me. Isn't that exactly what Riggins was saying though? That players realize how small the game is in light of "something everyone has in common," and as such, don't seem to play as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Native,NC_Fan Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 To lighten up this thread... :gaintsuck :gaintsuck :gaintsuck :gaintsuck :gaintsuck :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 These teams are close as far as talent goes. Factor in home field advantage and they get even tighter. Typically, when two teams of pretty equal ability play, the difference is penalties, turnovers and special teams play (especially made and missed FG's). I like Cooley to have a big day along with Brunell and Moss. I'm feeling good about this game. Skins 20 Gints 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Special teams and field position as well as turnovers and penalties are a major factor in every game. This game is going to have another factor many games don't have and that is the wind factor. It looks like it is going to be a windy day in the swamps of Jersey and that will mean inside the stadium there will be swirling winds that will effect long passes and special teams play. http://www.weather.com/activities/travel/businesstraveler/weather/tenday-details.html?locid=USNJ0128&dayNum=2 Sunny High 64°F Precip 0% Wind: NW 13 mph Max. Humidity: 63% UV Index: 3 Moderate Sunrise: 6:24 AM ET Avg. High: 58°F Record High: 76°F (1950) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sknsgirl Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I also think it's hard to generalize about how a how a whole team (players, coaches) will react to a loss, and everyone will not necessarily react the same way. Take Brett Favre after his father's death for example. Obvly it's different if it's someone in your family vs. the owner. (But Mara did try to make the team like a part of his family, and think of the team as part of his family, from what I've seen about him.) So along with the examples of negative reactions/performances after a loss, there are examples of players playing well and making something positive after a loss as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 No doubt Mara was beloved by the Jints but I don't think his passing will be as much of a motivating factor as it would if the Skins were talking trash and dissing the Giants. There always seems to have been a high level of respect between these two orgs. I think the Skins have a nice chance to win IF they don't turn the ball over. Unfortunately, I have this fear we're going to make one mistake that will decide a close game.....lets hope I'm just being negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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