tenken627 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Something from a Giants message board intrigued me. It seems like the Giants offense does have some trouble with the 3-4 defense. San Diego (until near the end of the game) and Dallas' 3-4 scheme created some confusion for their O-line and to Eli. GW likes to mix up his schemes switching back and forth from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to even a 5-3-3, or other formations to create mismatches. Playing a 3-4 against the Giants would also mean more serious playing time for Lavar along with Holdman. Would it be beneficial to the Skins to play the Giants with a 3-4 for the majority of the snaps or do we not have the personnel to stop them like Dallas did? I know we played a lot of the 2nd half of the 49ers game in a 3-4, but that was after we gained a sizable lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I think we are probably going to have to play 3-4 out of neccessity, since a lot of our DTs are beat up. That being said, it is still a new formation which is being worked on, so I think we will switch back and forth from it. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm sure Gregg Williams will have a nice mixture like he always does and when he finds the PKG that creates the most problems for the gnats he'll use it to exploit their weakness. I liked the 3-4 seemed like the blitz were working really well, Lemar had a sack and crushed A.Smith on the ST INT. Only problem was all the Niners big plays came off the 3-4 set, probably due to the inexperience factor of playing that formation, but I'm sure GW has a good idea of how to get to Eli. :gaintsuck :dallasuck :eaglesuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Any formation that gets LaVar on the field is fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenken627 Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm sure Gregg Williams will have a nice mixture like he always does and when he finds the PKG that creates the most problems for the gnats he'll use it to exploit their weakness. I liked the 3-4 seemed like the blitz were working really well, Lemar had a sack and crushed A.Smith on the ST INT. Only problem was all the Niners big plays came off the 3-4 set, probably due to the inexperience factor of playing that formation, but I'm sure GW has a good idea of how to get to Eli.:gaintsuck :dallasuck :eaglesuck In the 3-4 we seemed to have more big plays but also gave up more big plays. It could be the inexperience factor like you guys said. But in GW's schemes, the DL is supposed to just eat up blockers so that the LBs can make the play. Maybe without that 4th lineman our LBs get easily blocked or held and thats when the big play occurs. Arrington, Holdman, Marshall, and Washington aren't really known to be great getting off blocks. Actually that is supposed to be one of their biggest weaknesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidPennSkin Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 When we are in the 3-4, who is the nose tackle, Griffin? Wasn't Noble in that role before he got hurt? We really don't have a natural nose tackle like Grady Jackson. Maybe that's why we get the big plays against us mostly in the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Does anybody know what Williams is going to do? I mean really, I would not be surprised to see Griffin at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Does anybody know what Williams is going to do? I mean really, I would not be surprised to see Griffin at CB. :laugh: I really hope he's playing bump and run... well more bump then run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 3-4 = more linebackers = our best depthed position. i like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 The 3-4 allows Lavar to be more in the "LT" role. Which probably really exploits his skill sets the best. It certainly did last Sunday. I think we will see it more and more as the season progresses. That too me is good coaching. Lavar is too talented a player to not get the most from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Marcus Washington is on record as saying he loves the 3-4 since it means LA gets on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Does anybody know what Williams is going to do? I mean really, I would not be surprised to see Griffin at CB. Hell, Gibbs may not even know what Williams is going to do. I'm going to show my age here, but anybody remember the playoff game vs the Packers back in '72? I was just a kid, it was blacked out in DC, I watched a snowy screen coming out of Baltimore. Could barely see the screen, but listened to Sam and Frank. Allen's defense started with a five man line. Total surprise to everybody. Final score: 16-3 Redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36HAMMER Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Can we please just play the game?!!!!!!, iv'e talked this thing to death, soo much so that i am about to :puke: .c'mon sunday :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveStrongSkins Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I like the 3-4 alot. Since we dont have much of a pass rush anyway with our front four... it allows us to use different angles to blitz our best LB's (washington and arrington). Also, those two can defend the flats easier while Holdman and Marshall still are in the middle for run support. I dont think we will abandon the 4-3... I just think were going to see a healthy dose of the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Complete Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Can we please just play the game?!!!!!!, iv'e talked this thing to death, soo much so that i am about to :puke: .c'mon sunday :gaintsuck It's gonna be a good one. That's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If GW sees a glaring weakness in the Giants against the 3-4 I'm sure he'll take advantage of it.. No sense even really worrying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If GW sees a glaring weakness in the Giants against the 3-4 I'm sure he'll take advantage of it.. No sense even really worrying about it. Yep!. My thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenken627 Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 If GW sees a glaring weakness in the Giants against the 3-4 I'm sure he'll take advantage of it.. No sense even really worrying about it. Yep. This reminds me of the Patriots defense a few years back that had the flexibility to be solid in the 4-3 and the 3-4 and could switch it up any given down. Not only were they familiar with both schemes, but would make plays and dictate the offensive tempo. GW loves players that can play more than one position. We are probably a large nose tackle away from doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 It's gonna be a good one. That's for sure! watching the skins play this year has me itching for sundays all week long:cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 When we are in the 3-4, who is the nose tackle, Griffin? Wasn't Noble in that role before he got hurt? We really don't have a natural nose tackle like Grady Jackson. Maybe that's why we get the big plays against us mostly in the 3-4. I think this is the key. We don't really have a big-time space-eater who can serve as the lynchpin for the defense. Neither Griffin, nor Salave'a, nor Boschetti/Killings/Jones is a prototypical NT who will eat up the OC and an OG. As a result, the interior OL is able to get to the second level and get their hands on our LBs, which spells big-time bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Williams starts out most games at 4-3 but as the game progresses and he sees what the offense wants to do, he switches the 46 to look like 3-4, 3-5, 5-2, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I think this is the key.We don't really have a big-time space-eater who can serve as the lynchpin for the defense. Neither Griffin, nor Salave'a, nor Boschetti/Killings/Jones is a prototypical NT who will eat up the OC and an OG. As a result, the interior OL is able to get to the second level and get their hands on our LBs, which spells big-time bad news. The NT would be taken by Salave'a (300 lbs) and next to him in space, would play Griffin (300lbs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmc005 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 why play 11 out there lets just put Taylor and Lavar out there and let them hit people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 why play 11 out there lets just put Taylor and Lavar out there and let them hit people.. That type of mentality is what got Arrington benched and what the coaching staff is trying to break Taylor of. A successful defense is built on patience and discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmc005 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 That type of mentality is what got Arrington benched and what the coaching staff is trying to break Taylor of.A successful defense is built on patience and discipline. Umm that was a joke.. as in ha ha.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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