tr1 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Denver was one of the toughest defenses we played...look for McNabb to have another bad day. Posted on Thu, Oct. 27, 2005 McNabb seeks comfort zone By LES BOWEN http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/13007647.htm bowenl@phillynews.com ICE AND ultrasound. Stretching and warming up. As unexciting as they sound, those would seem to be the keys to reviving the Eagles' offense. Of course, a running game would help, too, but we all know where that stands. For the Eagles to become the team they were and the team they should be, Donovan McNabb needs to feel comfortable again. And maybe opposing defenses need to see that the quarterback is more comfortable, so they'll be a little less eager to come after him like wolves running down wounded prey. Eagles coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Brad Childress continue to deny that McNabb is at all limited by the sports hernia he has been playing with since midway through the season's second game, against San Francisco. But again yesterday, McNabb spoke much more candidly than his coaches had about what it is like trying to acclimate himself to playing with an injury that isn't going to heal this season. "At times, you're not able to get [your legs] up under some throws, so you've got to use your upper body a little bit,'' said McNabb, who has posted back-to-back passer ratings of 64.7 and 69.0 in a 33-10 loss to the Cowboys and a 20-17 victory over the Chargers. Defense and special-teams touchdowns, and an interception that led directly to a field goal, account for 17 of the 30 points the Eagles scored in those games. "It works sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. But it hasn't affected it, as far as pulling me away from the majority of things that I do.'' Yet McNabb, whose career rushing average was 6.3 yards per carry coming into this season (390 attempts, 2,459 yards), has gained just 8 yards on the ground, on 14 carries (0.6 yards per carry). His longest run of the season is 5 yards. "I tried to run [against the Chargers],'' he said. "You're just not running as fast as you used to, and you try to make plays just like you normally do.'' All three sacks Sunday, including one that took the Eagles out of field-goal range, were the result of McNabb trying to scramble and finding he couldn't elude his pursuers. He agreed yesterday that he has to get more attuned to throwing the ball away in such situations. If McNabb continues to play like he's played the last 2 weeks, it's hard to imagine the Eagles making the playoffs, let alone returning to the Super Bowl. But Reid yesterday alluded to McNabb feeling better this week, even though the injury can't really heal, and McNabb seems to think he can become more comfortable and more effective as he and the training staff figure out what treatments are the most helpful. He said after the Dallas game he was going to devote more attention to warming up before games, though the Birds' string of slow starts continued against the Chargers. "The off-field stuff is definitely helping,'' McNabb said yesterday. "There's not much you can do as far as trying to get rid of the hernia... You try to come up with ways to alleviate the pain, get the swelling out, be able to use your hips and your legs. At times, it kind of stiffens up on you, but it will eventually get looser. We've been doing a good job as far as trying to come up with other ways of being able to compensate for the injury.'' McNabb said stretching before practice and games, and ice afterward is important, along with ultrasound treatment and electrical stimulation of muscles. "You just try to come up with something that tries to take some of the swelling out,'' he said. Everyone in the locker room understands fans' frustrations with how the Eagles' high-powered offense has sputtered the last two games. Everyone understands that if you limit LaDainian Tomlinson to 7 yards on 17 carries, you ought to beat the Chargers handily, not on a miraculous touchdown return of a blocked field goal. "[Fans] feel like we feel,'' middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter said. "Especially from an offensive standpoint. Out of all the ability we have on offense, to see us struggle like that, it's tough. They expect those guys to go out and put up 30 or 40 points, but [a complete turnaround] is not going to happen in a week. I understand how the fans feel, but we're going to get it together.'' In practice yesterday, Trotter thought he saw encouraging signs of the offense starting to get its swagger back, the way the defense did against San Diego. "I talked to [left offensive tackle] Tra [Thomas] today, and I said, 'My "dawg'' is back.' He seems like he's got that 'dawg' back, talking noise and just choking people for no reason,'' Trotter said. "That's the way you got to be, man. You've got to choke somebody just for no reason, just because you feel like it.'' Developing a running game that could account for more than last Sunday's 10 plays and 25 yards would certainly help the offense develop some rhythm, and perhaps, some "dawg'' as well. "No doubt, it'd take the pressure off our whole passing offense, really,'' said running back Lamar Gordon, when asked if an effective running game would take pressure off McNabb. "If we can get in position where we can run, where the [down-and-distance] situation is good for us to run in, we can take pressure off the quarterback, the receivers, everybody.'' Gordon thinks penalties have helped make the Birds so one-dimensional. "It's real hard for a coach to want to run when it's first-and-15, when it's second-and-13,'' he said. Tight end L.J. Smith said teammates deeply respect what McNabb is trying to do, and aren't exasperated by his struggles. "I don't know if he's going to feel 'comfortable,' '' Smith said, when asked if he thought the QB was headed in that direction. "He's adapting. You can tell he's out there hurting, all the time. The old Donovan would run out of a lot of situations that he's been put in this season. It's obvious the mobility is just not there. But he's playing with it, and that's all we can ask of him right now. That's all he can ask of himself, is just to go out there and try to play with it.'' Smith said he thinks the offense will come together quickly, will find a rhythm and stop struggling so hard. It has too many weapons to stay stymied for long, he said. McNabb agreed. "This offense is definitely going to get rolling,'' McNabb said, "and we'll be sitting up here smiling, talking about how many more big plays we're going to make.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y100Rocks Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 "I talked to [left offensive tackle] Tra [Thomas] today, and I said, 'My "dawg'' is back.' He seems like he's got that 'dawg' back, talking noise and just choking people for no reason,'' Trotter said. "That's the way you got to be, man. You've got to choke somebody just for no reason, just because you feel like it.'' I think Trotter is quickly becoming the next great linebacker. I mean, look right here, he sounds just like Ray Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 tr1... if you pm me your address, I'll send you some Eagles gear.... what would you like... a hat ? jersey ? T.O. Bobble head you can put right on the top of your computer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-O-G Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Terps don't be sad because McNabb is getting OLD and WASHED UP lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponXDawkins Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 tr1... if you pm me your address, I'll send you some Eagles gear.... what would you like... a hat ? jersey ? T.O. Bobble head you can put right on the top of your computer ? I'm willing to bet he already has some. I think he sleeps with a stuffed Swoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 tr1... if you pm me your address, I'll send you some Eagles gear.... what would you like... a hat ? jersey ? T.O. Bobble head you can put right on the top of your computer ? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 Terps don't be sad because McNabb is getting OLD and WASHED UP lol! If you're a good Eagles fan, you shouldn't make light of McNabb's injury....it affects a lot of people...take a look. Why they didn't get it done during the bye week is baffling...now he risks greater injury. Magic's Hill Will Miss Up to Six Weeks http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102701155.html By TRAVIS REED The Associated Press Thursday, October 27, 2005; 1:39 PM ORLANDO, Fla. -- All-Star forward Grant Hill was expected to miss three to six weeks after he has surgery for a sports hernia. Hill, the Orlando Magic's second-leading scorer last season, saw several specialists after he was pulled from the lineup Oct. 19. The club had been mum on the severity of the injury, but on Thursday said Dr. William Myers would operate next week in Philadelphia. ********************************************* Thursday, October 27, 2005 Paul Hoynes Plain Dealer Reporter http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1130405633136261.xml&coll=2 Houston -- Cliff Lee, the Indians' 18-game winner, is expected to be ready for spring training in February after undergoing hernia surgery Wednesday in Philadelphia. Lee also underwent hernia surgery at the end of the 2003 season. He felt it hurt his conditioning for the 2004 season, but Wednesday's operation was not that extensive. Dr. Bill Meyers performed the arthroscopic procedure at Drexel University. He also operated on Lee the first time. "Cliff first noticed it in April," said Lonnie Soloff, Indians head trainer. "It was nonpainful, and we decided to treat it at the end of the year." *********************************** Glad You Asked: What is a sports hernia?; Is anyone X-raying candy for Halloween?; All about box elder bugs By Chris Bennett http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2005/10/27/local/columns/iq_3741536.txt What is a sports hernia? It was mentioned recently in the sports pages as the injury keeping Packers' center Mike Flanagan out of the lineup. A sports hernia, or athletic pubalgia, is a tear in the muscles of the lower abdomen. It causes pain in the lower abdomen or groin. Men get athletic pubalgia more commonly than women. According to the University of Michigan Health System, the pain develops slow, and there are different theories about how the sports hernia occurs. One possibility is that tight or strong hip flexor muscles cause the pelvis to tip forward. This stretches the lower muscles of the abdomen and might eventually lead to tears in the muscle and tissue. Activities that require bending over and leaning forward - Flanagan plays center, remember - lead to this problem. Athletes in soccer, hockey, rugby, tennis, track and football most likely suffer sports hernias. The symptoms are usually worse during sudden movements: sprinting, kicking, sneezing, coughing and more. Rest is the best treatment, and continuing to participate in activities that cause the sports hernia pain only aggravate the situation and extend recovery time. Symptoms might go away in a few weeks or few months. Anti-inflammatory medicines and ice help, as can physical therapy. Surgery is also an option. The lower abdominal muscles and connective tissues are released and reattached, and hip muscles are sometimes loosened. The goal of therapy or rehabilitation is to get back in the game as soon as possible. Rushing the process might worsen the injury or lead to permanent damage. An indicator of the sports hernia subsiding is if the injured can bend at the waist and touch their toes or do sit-ups without pain. Flanagan is expected to return to practice sometime this week and might return to the starting lineup as soon as Sunday, when Green Bay travels to Cincinnati to play the Bengals. ********************************* Packers injury update Mike Flanagan Mike Flanagan By Todd Korth , packrepted@aol.com Date: Oct 26, 2005 http://packers.scout.com/2/457932.html Flanagan likely to return to action this Sunday Mike Flanagan may be ready to play this Sunday when the Green Bay Packers travel to play at Cincinnati against the Bengals. Meanwhile, linebacker Na'il Diggs is making progress from his knee injury while safety Earl Little's hamstring is still giving him problems. Flanagan practiced with the team today. The veteran underwent hernia surgery in early October. Coach Mike Sherman said today that Flanagan could have played last Sunday against the Vikings, but the team held him back for precautionary reasons. "He's made a remarkable recovery from this injury," Sherman said. "We just want to make sure he's 100 percent out there." Diggs, who tore the MCL in his right knee on Oct. 3 against Carolina, began running last week. It is possible that he might play against the Bengals, but more of a longshot. The starting outside linebacker sustained the same injury on his left knee during training camp and was out for six weeks. "Things are going well to say the least," said Diggs about his rehab. "It's scarring up and getting tight again, which is really what we're waiting on. Things are going good. I'm just going day by day." Diggs has only played one and a half games for the Packers this season. He played the entire game Sept. 25 against Tampa Bay, but injured his right knee in the second quarter Oct. 3 against Carolina. "I will not come back too soon," said Diggs. "Me and the coaches and trainers are very aware of the dangers of coming back too soon and re-doing it. Our stroke of luck this year has not been that great, so pushing anything, or even a small chance of pushing it, will be a no go. We won't do that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'm gonna take that to mean you want the bobble head.... cool, I'll have that on it's way to you shortly.... Just think about it my friend... you stick that thing right on top of your monitor... and whenever your feeling like sluething up some Eagles news.. or sharing some Eagles insights w/ your ExtremeSkins buddies... you just give the bobblehead doll a little flick to the left or right... and as the head starts to bobble back and forth... it'll make a sound like this tick......tick........tick..........tick..... (Now, If the Eagles cut him you'll have to be ready to paint a Raiders or Skins uni on him.... but you seem like a resourceful guy.... I'm confident you'll get it done, right ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm gonna take that to mean you want the bobble head.... cool, I'll have that on it's way to you shortly.... Just think about it my friend... you stick that thing right on top of your monitor... and whenever your feeling like sluething up some Eagles news.. or sharing some Eagles insights w/ your ExtremeSkins buddies... you just give the bobblehead doll a little flick to the left or right... and as the head starts to bobble back and forth... it'll make a sound like this tick......tick........tick..........tick..... (Now, If the Eagles cut him you'll have to be ready to paint a Raiders or Skins uni on him.... but you seem like a resourceful guy.... I'm confident you'll get it done, right ?) Why the hostility? I thought your first post was pretty funny. Anyway, it sure looks like TO wants to leave town...that should cut my posts to less than half...but until he leaves... And, the TO experiment is looking a bit dumb right now isn't it? That's ok...no need to respond. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 First off, if you saw any hostility whatsoever in my post, I'm at a loss.... but hey, whatever. Second, no, it still doesn't look like a silly move to really anyone but you. I'm not going into all that again... I didn't agree w/ how T.O. handled his offseason business at all. I didn't like it at all.... but you know what, when he steps on the field, he's a beast. And honestly, I've had a blast watching him the past year and a half. The man has done NOTHING to be a distraction on the field as you've predicted. Nothing. You act as if the possiblity of T.O. not being w/ the Eagles next year is breaking news....... and you also act like you just found the Philly media a few weeks ago and it's a shiny new toy for you. Newsflash, the Philly media have been brutal and pot stirrers for several decades now..... but knock yourself out. Have a good one.... Just out of curiosity, what's your take on Clinton Portis' get up yesterday.... that man is a little out there... but I did find it funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 First off, if you saw any hostility whatsoever in my post, I'm at a loss.... but hey, whatever.Second, no, it still doesn't look like a silly move to really anyone but you. I'm not going into all that again... I didn't agree w/ how T.O. handled his offseason business at all. I didn't like it at all.... but you know what, when he steps on the field, he's a beast. And honestly, I've had a blast watching him the past year and a half. The man has done NOTHING to be a distraction on the field as you've predicted. Nothing. You act as if the possiblity of T.O. not being w/ the Eagles next year is breaking news....... and you also act like you just found the Philly media a few weeks ago and it's a shiny new toy for you. Newsflash, the Philly media have been brutal and pot stirrers for several decades now..... but knock yourself out. Have a good one.... Just out of curiosity, what's your take on Clinton Portis' get up yesterday.... that man is a little out there... but I did find it funny. I have mixed feelings about Portis' costumes...just as I do about end zone dances. I like Portis...the get-up yesterday was a little whacky, but that's what he wanted. It's not a distraction...if it were, I'd be against the dress-up. But he was pretty funny and ended up laughing at himself... About TO, have you seen him take plays off this season as has been mentioned on a Philly radio station? He was notorious for that in SF when he was ready to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 About TO, have you seen him take plays off this season as has been mentioned on a Philly radio station? He was notorious for that in SF when he was ready to leave. Not what I've heard at all..... but I'll play by your rules... link ? and by the way... you're on your own if your using Philly media in any form as a basis for your thoughts or debates. Their job is to stir the pot, period. All I hear is what his ex teammates like Jerry Rice and Steve Young said... which has been nothing but praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWUeagleMD Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Of course Portis' costume wasn't a distraction. Had an Eagles player done the same thing though, you would have used it as evidence that the entire team is out of control and Andy Reid was on the way out of town. I do agree though, the costume was a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Not what I've heard at all..... but I'll play by your rules... link ?and by the way... you're on your own if your using Philly media in any form as a basis for your thoughts or debates. Their job is to stir the pot, period. All I hear is what his ex teammates like Jerry Rice and Steve Young said... which has been nothing but praise. From a Philly fan posted on this board: Eskin (wip610) has reported that sources have told him TO will not be in Philly next year, he will be cut.He believes TO knows this, and stated TO is not playing hard, giving up on several plays. He also stated that the Eagles WILL sweep the skins this year, there still no better team in the nfc than the eagles. This guy is apologetic/lapdog for Andy Reid. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Had an Eagles player done the same thing though, you would have used it as evidence that the entire team is out of control and Andy Reid was on the way out of town. Possibly... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 From a Philly fan posted on this board:http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122967 jp is a Skins fan. C'mon man, stay with me here. And no, a Skins fan, quoting the Philly media, who's job it is to stir controversy, doens't cut it chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 jp is a Skins fan. C'mon man, stay with me here. And no, a Skins fan, quoting the Philly media, who's job it is to stir controversy, doens't cut it chief. My apologies to jpgirth...you're right, he is a good and loyal Skins fan. But now, are you denying that this was said about TO? And, the other part of the report that he won't be there next year? His putting the house up for sale seems a bit strange, don't you think? But to deny what the Philly media says as just 'stirring the pot' is pretty funny. We have writers here who pick on the Redskins, but a lot of what they report is true. I know that you are in denial about TO and your Eagles...that's understandable. But they are not the team they have been in the past...and the NFC East isn't their lap dog anymore. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 As it's been said earlier...I don't think any Eagle fans is expecting TO back next year. It's really not news...except to you. As for not being what they have been in the past....Maybe not, at least not yet. That's maybe what should scare you a bit....You guys are elated with the way the Skins have played, same with Giant fans and well, we wont even bring up Dallas.....But the Eagles haven't really played well, only in spurts....and they are still sitting at 4-2. Gonna be real sweet when they get things rolling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 My apologies to jpgirth...you're right, he is a good and loyal Skins fan.But now, are you denying that this was said about TO? And, the other part of the report that he won't be there next year? His putting the house up for sale seems a bit strange, don't you think? But to deny what the Philly media says as just 'stirring the pot' is pretty funny. We have writers here who pick on the Redskins, but a lot of what they report is true. I know that you are in denial about TO and your Eagles...that's understandable. But they are not the team they have been in the past...and the NFC East isn't their lap dog anymore. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: wait... your insinuation was that T.O. was taking plays off and dogging it... here now in Philly, and back in S.F. We're not discussing his home sale, whether he'll be in Philly next year, none of that....I've already told you, what a bafoon on the radio says doesn't cut it... that's his job, to stir the pot.. I didn't say they didn't say it, but I do say that it isn't true, and if they did say it, they're wrong. Period. (regarding taking plays off... nobody really expected him to be here past 2 years anyway... ) I challenge you to find me a link, a credible link, that even remotely indicates that T.O. takes plays off. T.O. is, and has been, known as one of, if not THE hardest working WR in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number5 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Typical tr1, using facts about something else to prove his arguements that are also about something else correct. Kinda like saying that an apple is red because a banana is really yellow or because a grape is purple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y100Rocks Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Terps don't be sad because McNabb is getting OLD and WASHED UP lol! Old man McNabb celebrates his 29th birthday on Nov. 16 if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 I believe this is the only set of Eagles fans that like TO...here at Extremeskins...how about that!!! You guys do a great job of defending him. Seems like a lot of other Eagles fans see him for what he is...a selfish, self-centered, egotistical player...but keep on defending him...he needs your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number5 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Want proof tr1....gotta link! 1 - http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1526486#post1526486 Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I believe this is the only set of Eagles fans that like TO...here at Extremeskins...how about that!!!You guys do a great job of defending him. Seems like a lot of other Eagles fans see him for what he is...a selfish, self-centered, egotistical player...but keep on defending him...he needs your help. Come to Philly and watch a game....Their are about 70,000 who are fans of TO. And I think every Eagle fan, including us who read and post here, realize he is selfish, self centered and egotistical......But he totally busts his ass when he is on the field. Unfortunately you have to take the good with the bad and off the field he's a wacko....but on the field, he's a stud and obviously makes them a better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 Come to Philly and watch a game....Their are about 70,000 who are fans of TO.And I think every Eagle fan, including us who read and post here, realize he is selfish, self centered and egotistical......But he totally busts his ass when he is on the field. Unfortunately you have to take the good with the bad and off the field he's a wacko....but on the field, he's a stud and obviously makes them a better team. I suspect you'll be complaining about your 'stud' after he fails to get 10 balls this weekend...maybe McNabb can pass more and call less runs? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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