mhd24 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/26/AR2005102602487.html Hmm, no mention that the skins would not pay Pierce higher then their lone pro bowler Marcus Washington? Why Sally would never let facts get in her way of writing a column about a team in a state she lives no where near to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 That quote saying "this is your workplace, not your family..." is about the dumbest thing i've ever heard, any GOOD team in the NFL, is based on brotherhood and unity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgjk9 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 shes an ITIOT ive always hated sally jenkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Sorry.....can't comment on her work......it's usually some diatribe about how terrible the Redskins organization is, has been and will be. I won't read it. Too bad Wilbon and Maske are with the Post, or I wouldn't read it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoSkins Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Lemar Marshall has filled the void with no hiccups. Sure, having Pierce would have been great, but the Skins have succeeded without him. There are plenty of former Skins I would love to have remained on the team. The NFL is a business. It is hard to keep a core group of players together for an extended amount of time. Its all about get my money now because unlike other sports, no contract is guaranteed in the NFL. If Pierce wanted to stay as a Skin, he would have signed the "close" contract and remained in Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 For Pierce, Rough Estimate By Sally Jenkins Thursday, October 27, 2005; Page E01 EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. To Antonio Pierce, the meeting between the Washington Redskins and the New York Giants is about competing values. The Giants properly valued him when the Redskins did not, at least in his estimation. We're going to learn a lot about the Redskins on Sunday, and one of the things we'll learn is whether they should have let Pierce get away. According to the middle linebacker, it didn't have to happen. Though he was a free agent this past offseason, he had no thoughts of leaving. After all, Coach Joe Gibbs called him a "core guy," and defensive mentor Gregg Williams loved him. And then it happened. The Redskins low-balled him. "It was about a difference of opinion in value, and loyalty in the front office," Pierce says. There ought to be a sign in NFL locker rooms that says: "This is your workplace, not your family. Never get the two mixed up." Modern NFL clubs have the capacity to wound their employees more than most other institutions. Wal-Mart cashiers should know the firm doesn't really have their best interests at heart, compared to corporate interests. But NFL players -- no matter how rich or cynical or experienced -- scream in pain when management doesn't show them the love and loyalty they think they deserve. Why? For one thing, they are young. For another thing, their coaches have encouraged them to think of teams in terms of family. Pierce, who turned 27 Wednesday, wanted to belong to the Redskins family. After making the Redskins roster in 2001 as an undrafted free agent out of Arizona, he spent four chaotic years under three head coaches and four defensive coordinators. Teammates came and went. Pierce kept his mouth shut and did whatever was asked. He spent two years laboring on special teams. He was bright, talented, selfless. Articulate and thoughtful during the week, he was a shaved-head, cinder-eyed menace on Sundays. Last season, he became the top tackler on a defense that was third in the league. It was the perfect time to be an unrestricted free agent, but Pierce said he told the Redskins he didn't want to test the market. He wanted to remain a Redskin. He wanted to get his deal done. All he asked was that they pay him the kind of money they had other free agents. "You see so many people come and go, and you just want to be treated fair," he says. "I was a guy who always did what he was asked." But what they offered him in return, he says, "was ridiculous." Pierce was dumbfounded. After all, other players had practically heisted the team. The Redskins had thrown millions at a bunch of bum free agents. And suddenly the wallet was closed? "It was definitely a star system," he says. "It was a Who's Who. . . . I don't know what they valued more, the hype or the names. That's what made it hard for me. I'd been there four years. You step up to the plate and do your job. And then you don't get rewarded." Ironically, in dealing with Pierce, the Redskins were affected by the free spending they had done in those years of chaos. In 2004, they spent $49.6 million on bonuses to six new players in just four days. Now Gibbs was trying to restore some stability and sanity to their salary structure. In the end, they made Pierce a large offer, one that was "close" to what he wanted, he admits. But he said he gave the Redskins a chance to match the Giants' offer, which included a $6.5 million signing bonus, and they declined. All the time, players talk coolly about how the NFL is a business. But it's only a business when it happens to someone else. When it happens to you, it's "disrespect." So, when the Giants offered Pierce $26 million over six years, he took it. Standing in the middle of the Giants' locker room on Wednesday in his gray sweats, Pierce couldn't help commenting, somewhat acidly, on the difference in management style between the Giants and the Redskins. Only a day earlier, the Giants courtly 89-year-old owner, Wellington Mara, had passed away. One of the things that had swayed him toward the Giants, he said, was that his old friend Jessie Armstead assured him the Giants had "great ownership." "It's a family atmosphere here," he said. Mara was an old-school gentleman owner who still believed in the family model. Paternalism, the way Mara practiced it, wasn't a bad thing -- just ask Frank Gifford or Jeremy Shockey or any other player who grew up fatherless and gratefully found a father figure in him. "Mr. Mara treated anyone who had ever been a New York Giant, as a New York Giant," Coach Tom Coughlin says. Mara was a gentle, unassuming presence who would stay in the same dormitory with the players during camp, rather than a hotel. When a man played hurt, Mara personally thanked him. During practice, he sat unobtrusively on the sidelines. "He handled his business, and he let us handle ours," Pierce says. "When he was out there, it wasn't a lot of hoopla. He didn't have helicopters flying around and red carpet service. He just went about his business." The passing of Mara is a symbolic moment for the NFL. As a rule, the modern owner did not work as a ballboy for the team in 1925 and inherit the organization from his father, as Mara did. The league is now full of owners who got wealthy in oil or gas or packaging, who bought the team for its revenue sheet, and who operate under the constraint of a salary cap that undercuts old-fashioned paternalism. If Pierce feels Redskins owner Daniel Snyder didn't demonstrate sufficient loyalty to him, well, that's in part because he couldn't. The modern NFL is a dichotomy. Perhaps more than any other league, it attempts to foster a fierce loyalty among its employees to a common cause. While at the same time -- at least in part due to the financial mechanisms that have made it wildly successful -- it has developed some of the most ruthless business practices, none more so than the fact that contracts are not guaranteed. It's easy to empathize with Pierce. Fealty is a pretty fundamental urge, in all of us. Pierce was so emotionally enmeshed with the Redskins he kept his house in Virginia, and he remains close with his teammates and wistful on the subject of Gibbs and Williams. He still talks to his former colleagues on the phone almost weekly. But ultimately, Pierce is naive. If a team stays loyal and pays players for being "good soldiers" when they're past the point of being productive, ticket buyers snarl and demand to know why the team is under-performing. The fact is, fans don't reward loyalty in the NFL any more than owners do. They reward wins. The difference between Pierce and the rest of us -- other than about $25 million -- is that he has a chance to get back at his former employers on Sunday in a way the rest of us never could. If the NFL's managers can be ruthless, so can its players. Pierce was passed over in the 2001 draft, a fact he has never forgotten. He still keeps a list of the 30 linebackers who were taken ahead of him and where they are now. More than half are no longer in the league. Pierce, it should be noted, enjoys crossing each name off the list. Maybe the Redskins undervalued Pierce, or maybe they didn't. He'll let them know Sunday. But one thing is certain: He's not the sort of fellow you want to discard and then wind up facing in your biggest divisional game of the season, staring at you bitterly from across the line. "You want to prove them wrong," he says. "I want to beat that team. I'm going to be all over the place. With a lot of emotion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Nothing forced Antonio to take the money. Let's not kid around here, this wasn't about family with Antonio. It was all business for him to take the money. Nothing wrong with that, but let's have a reality check here. Thing is, when interviewed, Antonio isn't that negative about us, just that he wished that we would have paid him more. Could it be bias from the writer? Could be... Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 It's pretty pathetic. Honestly, I figured that she'd never show her face after a Redskins win. Well she proved me wrong. The Skins are playing their best ball in 6 years but rather than write a piece on anything positive, she focuses on a former Redskin and how he was "disrespected." Mark down that she called this the biggest divisional game of the season. Because when we beat the Giants, we'll be seeing next week how the Eagle game is the REAL measuring stick of where we're at. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skin_finatic Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 She obviously listens to the media too much or is just an idiot. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Lemar Marshall has filled the void with no hiccups. Sure, having Pierce would have been great, but the Skins have succeeded without him. There are plenty of former Skins I would love to have remained on the team. The NFL is a business. It is hard to keep a core group of players together for an extended amount of time. Its all about get my money now because unlike other sports, no contract is guaranteed in the NFL. If Pierce wanted to stay as a Skin, he would have signed the "close" contract and remained in Washington. Sally Jenkins doesn't care if Pierce has been adequately replaced. All she cares about is finding people who will talk bad about the organization and quoting them. Sadly, there are plenty out there - and it's partly because of people like her with agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINtil8tin Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Could it be bias from the writer? Could be... Bias? From Sally...couldn't be! Sally's got some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsbadd Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I hate this woman . The kicker is that she said how Jessie Armstead talked about how great the Giants treated thier players. If that is true then why did they not give him a contract for life? He had some great years in another divison rival right? Then you have Collins who took the team to the superbowl and was backstabbed along with the coach.. UGHHHHHHHH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Drop the paranoia. It's a solid article premised essentially on this paragraph: The modern NFL is a dichotomy. Perhaps more than any other league, it attempts to foster a fierce loyalty among its employees to a common cause. While at the same time -- at least in part due to the financial mechanisms that have made it wildly successful -- it has developed some of the most ruthless business practices, none more so than the fact that contracts are not guaranteed. You're just irritated because it features a guy who's playing for the opposition this Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS36 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 JenkinsS@washpost.com For those of you that want to respond to her article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 But what they offered him in return, he says, "was ridiculous." ...... In the end, they made Pierce a large offer, one that was "close" to what he wanted, he admits. Well Antonio.... what was it? Is coming "close" to what he wanted "ridiculous"? Help me.... I can't figure it out. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbones Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Drop the paranoia. It's a solid article premised essentially on this paragraph:You're just irritated because it features a guy who's playing for the opposition this Sunday. It's not about paranoia. It's how obnoxious she is. A writer for the Post who lives in NY and does nothing but badmouth the home team. After trading Coles, we really had no choice. I can't remember which came 1st, but management knew it was coming. Pierce will never be a top 5-10 player at his position. For all his brains and toughness, he is a limited athlete. I hope we put up 52 on the G-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Drop the paranoia. It's a solid article premised essentially on this paragraph:You're just irritated because it features a guy who's playing for the opposition this Sunday. Thank goodness somebody on here has sense. Nothing wrong with the article. I wish we still had Pierce, but life goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Well Antonio.... what was it?Is coming "close" to what he wanted "ridiculous"? Help me.... I can't figure it out. Seriously. Ain't paraphrasing to fit your agenda great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 You know if this is the worst thing that she can say about this team she is really reaching. AP has never bashed the Skins and if he had you'd thought that ESPN would've picked up on it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown 43 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Lets hope he's crying in his Wheaties Monday morn with his golden spoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur58z Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I like how Jenkins conveniently didn't name the players we got in that "insane" spending spree of 2004. Because, if she did, she would have named players who Pierce pales in comparison in terms of importance to this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Well if AP wanted to get a father figure by going to New York, maybe we'll give him one on Sunday. "Who's your daddy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonerman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Come on Gentlemen! Sally Jenkins didn't say the Redskins were jerks. She said "Maybe the Redskins undervalued Pierce, or maybe they didn't." Joe Gibbs said he made a mistake with Pierce and that he wasn't going to make that mistake again. Jenkins calls it as she sees it. She doesn't just bash the Skins if you actually read what she writes versus a knee jerk reaction to the sight of her name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtownSquare Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Come on Gentlemen! Sally Jenkins didn't say the Redskins were jerks. She said "Maybe the Redskins undervalued Pierce, or maybe they didn't." Joe Gibbs said he made a mistake with Pierce and that he wasn't going to make that mistake again.Jenkins calls it as she sees it. She doesn't just bash the Skins if you actually read what she writes versus a knee jerk reaction to the sight of her name. Come on dude, We all know the NFL is a business and why invest in Antonio when we got Lemar banging heads now. This lady has no idea what she is talking about, the skins wont find out anything about themselves with regards too antonio pierce. They have the 31st ranked D, we have the 4th right now. If anyone sees Mrs. Jenkins please throw eggs at her. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Hmm let's see: Skins without AP: 4th ranked D in the NFL. Giants with AP: 31st ranked D in the NFL. Sorry, but i'm not losing one second of sleep over not having Antonio Pierce with Lemar Marshall replacing him! HTTR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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