Burgold Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 If he is guilty of perjury in the Plame case? Is lying about his knowledge of this woman and her job sufficient in your mind to warrant impeachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 If he is guilty of perjury in the Plame case? Is lying about his knowledge of this woman and her job sufficient in your mind to warrant impeachment? If we can impeach a President for lying about having an affair, then I believe that the Vice President should be impeached...maybe even Dubya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Even if he were impeached, that's still just an accusation and I seriously doubt that he would be found guilty by the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 If he's guilty of perjury, then yes, he should be impeached based on the same being done to Clinton. IMO, context should be the determining factor, but it didn't come into play with Clinton, so why should it matter now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webnarc Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 If we can impeach a President for lying about having an affair, then I believe that the Vice President should be impeached...maybe even Dubya. Yes, but that was about a blow job, which is something that actually matters. Revealing a name of a CIA agent is closer to buttering toast than, well, a blue dress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Some conspiracy theorists are claiming that the republican party is intentionally doing this to have Cheney step down (being financially rewarded), so Condoleezza Rice can be appointed to the VP spot to help her chances at running against Hillary Clinton... I don't usually subscribe to these conspiracies, but it is an interesting one nonetheless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Some conspiracy theorists are claiming that the republican party is intentionally doing this to have Cheney step down (being financially rewarded), so Condoleezza Rice can be appointed to the VP spot to help her chances at running against Hillary Clinton...I don't usually subscribe to these conspiracies, but it is an interesting one nonetheless.. I like the one about Jeb Bush ,keep it in the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Yes, but that was about a blow job, which is something that actually matters.Revealing a name of a CIA agent is closer to buttering toast than, well, a blue dress. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 Do you think Cheney is enough of a team player to permanently disgrace his legacy and place in history? I don't quite buy the Rice theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTalon Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Clinton demonstrably lied about something that was actually a crime. Cheney supposedly lied about something that was not a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Do you think Cheney is enough of a team player to permanently disgrace his legacy and place in history? I don't quite buy the Rice theory. This particular theory was being discussed on DC101 this morning, and they were arguing over the same thing.. would he disgrace himself to help the party... Many seemed to agree that for enough money or contracts thrown to hilliburton... anything was possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Clinton demonstrably lied about something that was actually a crime. Cheney supposedly lied about something that was not a crime. Getting a BJ is a crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 Clinton demonstrably lied about something that was actually a crime. Cheney supposedly lied about something that was not a crime. Clinton demonstrably lied about having an affair... Having an affair is a crime? Cheney may have lied (recent reports seem to indicate he had foreknowledge of this person which he denied) about the outing of a CIA agent. The outing is not a crime? Is this what you are saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I think anybody who accepts the VP spot if Cheney were to leave, is asking for trouble. That's automatically being connected even more to this admin and what's going on. If Rice wanted to be President, she WOULDN'T accept the VP spot now. It would make her look like even more on an inside to all this, than she already is. I don't think Cheney will be impeached. I think he'd step down for faux health reasons 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Bllue Talon, I believe Clinton "lied" about a bj or the definition of having sex. Last I checked, this was not a crime outside of the lieing under oath about it. Cheany lied about his or somebody elses revealing classified info (if guilty). I believe this is a crime beyond just the lie under oath about it. I believe you have the who lied about a crime backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 An indictment to the House for perjury isn't going to be based on comparative justice. That Clinton was impeached will have little to no bearing on whether Cheney is impeached, just FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I think Cheney/his secretary lied about having knowledge of the leak, but the leak itself was not a crime supposedly. From what I understand the agent had been retired, de-listed, whatever. They said that once an agent reaches this status they cannot be revealed for 5-6 years?... and this person was 1 year past that particular deadline. So the leak itself was not the problem (although don't think it was intelligent) it was the coverup and lying about the person leaking the information that has stired up a hornet's nest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhorse1 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Bllue Talon, I believe Clinton "lied" about a bj or the definition of having sex. Last I checked, this was not a crime outside of the lieing under oath about it.Cheany lied about his or somebody elses revealing classified info (if guilty). I believe this is a crime beyond just the lie under oath about it. I believe you have the who lied about a crime backwards. When he first started cooking evidence to get us into a war, Cheney was guilty of treason. Lying about Plame bedamned...a lesser crime. Outing Plame...treason. Conspiracy to conceal treason...treason. Running a cabal to con America into war...conspiracy to commit treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 If he perjured himself, then yes, he should be impeached. BTW, does the left still believe that Clinton was impeached because he got a smoothie in the Oval Office? Or do they now realize that it was the lying under oath that was the reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Uh No Plame was not a covert agent period. Trying to find a crime after the primary one is dismissed is comical. Clinton on the other hand had Monica wirte a false statement then had his lawyer use the document to say he didn't have the affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 They go hand in hand. Should the topic ever have warranted questioning in front of a grand jury? Was the affair worth the money we the taxpayers spent to Ken Starr? In truth, Clinton was impeached because he lied about having an affair. You can't divorse the issue from the act. Happened to lie under oath, but was asked an issue that had nothing to do with how Clinton was performing his job or the security or well being of the nation. Plame case is different. What happens to the sources or people that were used to help the US gather intelligence that she interacted with. All the sources suddenly become useless and the sources themselves endangered. It is highly dubious that anyone will search for technalities to justify this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 If he perjured himself, then yes, he should be impeached.BTW, does the left still believe that Clinton was impeached because he got a smoothie in the Oval Office? Or do they now realize that it was the lying under oath that was the reason? LOL...He said Smoothie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Uh NoPlame was not a covert agent period. Trying to find a crime after the primary one is dismissed is comical. Clinton on the other hand had Monica wirte a false statement then had his lawyer use the document to say he didn't have the affair. Valerie Plame Wilson (born April 19, 1963) is a United States Central Intelligence Agency officer, who was identified as a CIA operative in a newspaper column by Robert Novak on July 14, 2003. The ensuing political controversy, commonly referred to as the Plame affair, or the CIA leak scandal, led, in late 2003, to a Justice Department investigation into possible violation of criminal statutes, including the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. Officer... sorry. When I said agent, I was deriving from agency... although I never said undercover. As mentioned before, the leak itself is not a crime... she was at least 1 year past the protection act (although I don't think it is smart in any case to disclose that information). If Cheney's office had been open about their "supposed leak" in the first place, there would not be an issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 They go hand in hand. Should the topic ever have warranted questioning in front of a grand jury? Was the affair worth the money we the taxpayers spent to Ken Starr? In truth, Clinton was impeached because he lied about having an affair. You can't divorse the issue from the act. Happened to lie under oath, but was asked an issue that had nothing to do with how Clinton was performing his job or the security or well being of the nation.Plame case is different. What happens to the sources or people that were used to help the US gather intelligence that she interacted with. All the sources suddenly become useless and the sources themselves endangered. It is highly dubious that anyone will search for technalities to justify this. Well, it's really how you frame the issue isn't it? I mean, if Clinton were lying under oath about something as "innocuous" as a sexual affair, then what else could he be lying about? I think that was part of the engine, though probably not all of it, behind his impeachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Pretty funny where we have 2 important public figures that really didn't do anything illegal, but got in trouble for lying about the situation when trying to cover it up :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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