rvan1 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 It seems to me that Gibbs has outsmarted all the critics. His old fashioned football is working well. Here are my points of comparison to the New England Patriots. - The Redskins, much like the New England Patriots, have separated themselves from the "me-me-me" guys that plague NFL teams. The policy has been shape up and get with the team, or shape out. They are not spending wildly in free-agency by picking the perennial "Deion Sanders" out there anymore. Players as talented as Randy Moss are not assets to the team, they are distractions. David Patten will never put up the numbers that Moss did in Minnesota, but I would still take him opposite Santana Moss any day of the week. Just like the Patriots, the Redskins are building a team upon cohesive play and teamwork, not egos and attitudes. - Much like the Dynastical Patriots, the Redskins are developing their younger players and keeping the veteran leadership in tact. Free agency is no longer a quick fix answer for this team, and the Redskins are thriving from it. Through what may eventually be considered the Dark Years, the Redskins spent money like a pirate in free agency from 00-03, winning any player wanted with the right dollar amount. The never-dying cliche is "There is no I in TEAM." The Patriots won the Super Bowl twice with Kevin Faulk at running back, and any list of other offensive and defensive players who were developed, consistent mainstays, not expensive loquacious raw talent (see above). - Veteran quarterbacking: Are either Tom Brady or Mark Brunell the best quarterbacks physically in the NFL? Nope. But the last time I checked, Vick still has 0 Super Bowl rings to Brady. Why? Because veteran quarterbacking leads teams to play better than they are. Suddenly, the Redskins are winning games they were losing in the Dark Ages. By no means was Tom Brady a veteran when he won the controversial "tuck rule" game. But in 3 Super Bowls and countless regular season games, Brady has led the Patriots to close wins in a Joe Montana like fashion. Brunell is lenghening his resume in Washington with hearty performances at KC and Denver -- the two hardest fields to play on in the NFL--, falling just short of two fourth quarter comebacks. This is the kind of character you want in your quarterback. The "We're down 13-0 to our arch rival team away on their special night but we're still gonna come back with 4 minutes to play" mentality is what has the -Redskins 4-2, and not 3-3 or probably 2-4. - Coaching. Is there any coach in the NFL currently that you'd rather have than Bellicheck? I'd still take Gibbs, but the two are almost identical in terms of accomplishments and coaching style. Washington is no longer the Spurrier "lets bend but not break" (i.e. lets not lose by too much) team they were during the Dark Ages. Strong leadership and football smarts are what separate the New England Patriots from the Atlanta Falcons in this league. It should come as no surprise that the Patriots are skidding following the exodus of coaching staff from the last offseason. The Redskins are on the rise, on the other hand, with Gibbs and Williams spear heading a cohesive, confident, and most importantly, STABLE team. This is not to judge the Redskins vs. the Patriots. Both teams are great in their own right. But it seems to look like the Redskins have taken a few hints from the NFL's best team over the last 4 years, and are off and running. - Home Field Advantage. Before this year, the Patriots were unbeatable in New England. While it might be a stretch to suggest that Snyder's abandment of many corporate demands in terms of stadium tickets has been in response to the need for a better home-field advantage, such is what has happened. The NFL's largest stadium is now sounding like the NFL's largest stadium. Kyle Orton knows this. So does Josh Brown. So does Alex Smith. If FedEx was the "Dark Ages" FedEx, it is quite possible that Orton can hear his plays and lead his team to another score, that Brown hits that last second field goal, and that Smith well... scratch that last one. FedEx is becoming a home to the Redskins like Gillette has become a home to the Patriots. When the stadium camera shakes on TV because of the crowd noise and movement, you've entered the jungle. Anyway, these are just some similarities I've noticed. Gibb's goal in returning to the Redskins to turn the franchise around. It looks like he's getting his job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgjk9 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 gibbs does make a big deal out of homefield advantage..im so glad we have him hes a great coach..id almost say best in the nfl right now. but bellicheck won 3 superbowls as well and is the defending champ but personally i like gibbs better HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-O-G Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Good Post. I agree, and who knows...superbowl??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsinner Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Good pointers. I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted October 25, 2005 Author Share Posted October 25, 2005 Good Post. I agree, and who knows...superbowl??? if gibbs could take us to the super bowl this year.... wow... what a accomplishment that would be.... throw those pennies in the fountains boys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 It seems to me that Gibbs has outsmarted all the critics. His old fashioned football is working well. Here are my points of comparison to the New England Patriots.- The Redskins, much like the New England Patriots, have separated themselves from the "me-me-me" guys that plague NFL teams. The policy has been shape up and get with the team, or shape out. They are not spending wildly in free-agency by picking the perennial "Deion Sanders" out there anymore. Players as talented as Randy Moss are not assets to the team, they are distractions. David Patten will never put up the numbers that Moss did in Minnesota, but I would still take him opposite Santana Moss any day of the week. Just like the Patriots, the Redskins are building a team upon cohesive play and teamwork, not egos and attitudes. - Much like the Dynastical Patriots, the Redskins are developing their younger players and keeping the veteran leadership in tact. Free agency is no longer a quick fix answer for this team, and the Redskins are thriving from it. Through what may eventually be considered the Dark Years, the Redskins spent money like a pirate in free agency from 00-03, winning any player wanted with the right dollar amount. The never-dying cliche is "There is no I in TEAM." The Patriots won the Super Bowl twice with Kevin Faulk at running back, and any list of other offensive and defensive players who were developed, consistent mainstays, not expensive loquacious raw talent (see above). - Veteran quarterbacking: Are either Tom Brady or Mark Brunell the best quarterbacks physically in the NFL? Nope. But the last time I checked, Vick still has 0 Super Bowl rings to Brady. Why? Because veteran quarterbacking leads teams to play better than they are. Suddenly, the Redskins are winning games they were losing in the Dark Ages. By no means was Tom Brady a veteran when he won the controversial "tuck rule" game. But in 3 Super Bowls and countless regular season games, Brady has led the Patriots to close wins in a Joe Montana like fashion. Brunell is lenghening his resume in Washington with hearty performances at KC and Denver -- the two hardest fields to play on in the NFL--, falling just short of two fourth quarter comebacks. This is the kind of character you want in your quarterback. The "We're down 13-0 to our arch rival team away on their special night but we're still gonna come back with 4 minutes to play" mentality is what has the -Redskins 4-2, and not 3-3 or probably 2-4. - Coaching. Is there any coach in the NFL currently that you'd rather have than Bellicheck? I'd still take Gibbs, but the two are almost identical in terms of accomplishments and coaching style. Washington is no longer the Spurrier "lets bend but not break" (i.e. lets not lose by too much) team they were during the Dark Ages. Strong leadership and football smarts are what separate the New England Patriots from the Atlanta Falcons in this league. It should come as no surprise that the Patriots are skidding following the exodus of coaching staff from the last offseason. The Redskins are on the rise, on the other hand, with Gibbs and Williams spear heading a cohesive, confident, and most importantly, STABLE team. This is not to judge the Redskins vs. the Patriots. Both teams are great in their own right. But it seems to look like the Redskins have taken a few hints from the NFL's best team over the last 4 years, and are off and running. - Home Field Advantage. Before this year, the Patriots were unbeatable in New England. While it might be a stretch to suggest that Snyder's abandment of many corporate demands in terms of stadium tickets has been in response to the need for a better home-field advantage, such is what has happened. The NFL's largest stadium is now sounding like the NFL's largest stadium. Kyle Orton knows this. So does Josh Brown. So does Alex Smith. If FedEx was the "Dark Ages" FedEx, it is quite possible that Orton can hear his plays and lead his team to another score, that Brown hits that last second field goal, and that Smith well... scratch that last one. FedEx is becoming a home to the Redskins like Gillette has become a home to the Patriots. When the stadium camera shakes on TV because of the crowd noise and movement, you've entered the jungle. Anyway, these are just some similarities I've noticed. Gibb's goal in returning to the Redskins to turn the franchise around. It looks like he's getting his job done. Good post overall, but ive got a few bones to pick: #1 is about us not still going after big free agents in the Gibbs era. To name a few: Marcus Washington, Mark Brunell, Clinton Portis. To say the Redskins dont have their fair share of egos and attitudes is ridiculous. I think the best thing they did was start getting some of the slag off the payroll. Jettisoning Lav Coles is going to sting in the short run, but in 2 years, he is off the books, and with smart front office management, that money could help the team immensly. #2 is about the veteran QB play. Tom Brady won his first SB with about 4 games under his belt. His second in basically his 3rd GAME as a starter. I think you just should have said smart or efficient QB play. Your estimation of the stability of this team is on the right track, but i think a little premature. The main weapons on offense have been playing together for a MAXIMUM of 2 years (Brunell, Portis, Cooley) 3/5 of the Oline a max of 3 years, and the WR's have only 1 year. Look at Indy's offense last year: Peyton, Edge, Harrison and Wayne, plus 3/5 of the oline have been playing together for 5 years. On the defensive side of the ball, name the playmakers and their tenure with the Skins. (Count this year as 1/2) Taylor (1.5), Springs (1.5) Washington (1.5), besides Lavar, who just started contributing, none have been around long. Point is, this team can continue to gel and get better than they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Good post overall, but ive got a few bones to pick:#1 is about us not still going after big free agents in the Gibbs era. To name a few: Marcus Washington, Mark Brunell, Clinton Portis. To say the Redskins dont have their fair share of egos and attitudes is ridiculous. I think the best thing they did was start getting some of the slag off the payroll. Jettisoning Lav Coles is going to sting in the short run, but in 2 years, he is off the books, and with smart front office management, that money could help the team immensly. Two things. Gibbs traded for Mark Brunell and Clinton Portis (and Moss). That's much different than signing free agents. And trading has been Gibbs' MO. Lastly, Coles is already off the books. We ate it all at once... because we traded him. There's no other way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsphoto Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 It seems to me that Gibbs has outsmarted all the critics. His old fashioned football is working well. Here are my points of comparison to the New England Patriots.- The Redskins, much like the New England Patriots, have separated themselves from the "me-me-me" guys that plague NFL teams. The policy has been shape up and get with the team, or shape out. They are not spending wildly in free-agency by picking the perennial "Deion Sanders" out there anymore. Players as talented as Randy Moss are not assets to the team, they are distractions. David Patten will never put up the numbers that Moss did in Minnesota, but I would still take him opposite Santana Moss any day of the week. Just like the Patriots, the Redskins are building a team upon cohesive play and teamwork, not egos and attitudes. - Much like the Dynastical Patriots, the Redskins are developing their younger players and keeping the veteran leadership in tact. Free agency is no longer a quick fix answer for this team, and the Redskins are thriving from it. Through what may eventually be considered the Dark Years, the Redskins spent money like a pirate in free agency from 00-03, winning any player wanted with the right dollar amount. The never-dying cliche is "There is no I in TEAM." The Patriots won the Super Bowl twice with Kevin Faulk at running back, and any list of other offensive and defensive players who were developed, consistent mainstays, not expensive loquacious raw talent (see above). - Veteran quarterbacking: Are either Tom Brady or Mark Brunell the best quarterbacks physically in the NFL? Nope. But the last time I checked, Vick still has 0 Super Bowl rings to Brady. Why? Because veteran quarterbacking leads teams to play better than they are. Suddenly, the Redskins are winning games they were losing in the Dark Ages. By no means was Tom Brady a veteran when he won the controversial "tuck rule" game. But in 3 Super Bowls and countless regular season games, Brady has led the Patriots to close wins in a Joe Montana like fashion. Brunell is lenghening his resume in Washington with hearty performances at KC and Denver -- the two hardest fields to play on in the NFL--, falling just short of two fourth quarter comebacks. This is the kind of character you want in your quarterback. The "We're down 13-0 to our arch rival team away on their special night but we're still gonna come back with 4 minutes to play" mentality is what has the -Redskins 4-2, and not 3-3 or probably 2-4. - Coaching. Is there any coach in the NFL currently that you'd rather have than Bellicheck? I'd still take Gibbs, but the two are almost identical in terms of accomplishments and coaching style. Washington is no longer the Spurrier "lets bend but not break" (i.e. lets not lose by too much) team they were during the Dark Ages. Strong leadership and football smarts are what separate the New England Patriots from the Atlanta Falcons in this league. It should come as no surprise that the Patriots are skidding following the exodus of coaching staff from the last offseason. The Redskins are on the rise, on the other hand, with Gibbs and Williams spear heading a cohesive, confident, and most importantly, STABLE team. This is not to judge the Redskins vs. the Patriots. Both teams are great in their own right. But it seems to look like the Redskins have taken a few hints from the NFL's best team over the last 4 years, and are off and running. - Home Field Advantage. Before this year, the Patriots were unbeatable in New England. While it might be a stretch to suggest that Snyder's abandment of many corporate demands in terms of stadium tickets has been in response to the need for a better home-field advantage, such is what has happened. The NFL's largest stadium is now sounding like the NFL's largest stadium. Kyle Orton knows this. So does Josh Brown. So does Alex Smith. If FedEx was the "Dark Ages" FedEx, it is quite possible that Orton can hear his plays and lead his team to another score, that Brown hits that last second field goal, and that Smith well... scratch that last one. FedEx is becoming a home to the Redskins like Gillette has become a home to the Patriots. When the stadium camera shakes on TV because of the crowd noise and movement, you've entered the jungle. Anyway, these are just some similarities I've noticed. Gibb's goal in returning to the Redskins to turn the franchise around. It looks like he's getting his job done. Best thread I've read. I've been trying to communicate this for many months. You're exactly right. There's no I in TEAM. The players are even starting to talk about charactor. Like Gibbs says; "Charactor, toughness and smarts, not X's & O's." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Good article. I wish we still had Garnell Wilds in the fold so we can bring him along. I thought he had good talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLiverpool Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Gibbs seems to be bringing character, confidence and consistency. I think he'll be around the 5 years, and if he has his way, G.W. will be too, taking over for him...with guys like Musgrave moving up too. To do so in a salary cap era, and lots of vacancies in coaching...would be an amazing feat..lets hope he can keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTownFan Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Great Post, I am relieved Gibbs is stressing the importance of home field advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckDallas81 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Those are all great points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Patriots are following Gibbs' method from the 80's. That was the way the old school Redskins were. Certainly they had some larger than life characters like Riggins and Manley, but when you get right down to it they were all team players. RFK was a homefield advantage, hopefully Fed Ex is the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 Patriots are following Gibbs' method from the 80's. That was the way the old school Redskins were. Certainly they had some larger than life characters like Riggins and Manley, but when you get right down to it they were all team players. RFK was a homefield advantage, hopefully Fed Ex is the same way. Yeah, RFK shakes... Good point on the repeating cycles of the NFL. I'd like to see Gibbs take this team to the next level by keeping their main players and system in tact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1SkinsFan Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 good read i like that fact that the info does kind of relate to what joe gibbs and the rest of the redskins organization is doing with this team, and how we are buliding a franchise around it, and not relying on one good free agent to make the team better as we have in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted November 4, 2005 Author Share Posted November 4, 2005 This week's events make me so happy we dont have TO..... just look what hes doing to the Philly organization! exactly why selfless personnel is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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