Ramsey trade dead

[Skins57]

Redskins | Talks Break Off with Bears - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)

20:43 PT: ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears were unable to work out the details of a trade that would have included QB Patrick Ramsey. The two sides ended negotiations on Tuesday evening, about two hours before an NFL deadline for completing the proposed swap. The Redskins now have to deal with Ramsey, who is likely unhappy the team that drafted him made a solid effort to trade him before he made it to training camp.

Oh well made for nice discussion for a while

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1414888.html

Tuesday, August 6

Spurrier now left to deal with miffed quarterback

By Len Pasquarelli

ESPN.com

Unable to agree on the components of a trade that would have included unsigned first-round draft choice Patrick Ramsey, the Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears ended negotiations Tuesday night about two hours before an NFL deadline for completing the proposed swap.

The Redskins now are left to deal with Ramsey, a quarterback out of Tulane miffed that the franchise that drafted him made a substantial attempt to trade him before it ever got him into training camp.

Sources said the Redskins and Bears dug in on the issue of a first-round draft choice, a selection the Redskins demanded, and one the Bears were not about to include in any trade.

"Both sides were serious about the trade, but (Washington owner Dan) Snyder wouldn't come off the first-rounder, and Jerry Angelo (Bears general manager) would not cave in on the issue," said a source familiar with the discussions. "The thing is, now Washington has to deal with (Ramsey) and, while they're fairly close to a contract, this whole thing probably moved things back a few steps."

Sources said the Bears offered third- and fourth-round draft choices for Ramsey and might have gone as high as a second-rounder if the talks had advanced to the point where a trade was in sight. League officials actually stayed in the NFL offices in New York until nearly 11 p.m. in case a deal was struck.

Sources said that, in the final hours of the discussions, first-year Redskins coach Steve Spurrier took an active role. They also said Redskins vice president of football operations Joe Mendes, who met with Spurrier for much of the evening while Snyder dealt with Angelo, was opposed to a trade.

So serious were the talks that Washington even granted agent Jimmy Sexton permission to speak with the Bears about a deal for Ramsey. From a technical standpoint, because of rookie allocation pool guidelines, the Redskins would still have had to sign Ramsey first and then trade him to the Bears.

The trade possibility, however, was always only a longshot and the stronger likelihood was that Washington would reach a contract accord with Ramsey within 24 hours.

The final player taken in the opening round of the draft, Ramsey is one of five first-round choices still without a contract, and progress in negotiations has been incremental.

After the Saturday performances of Sage Rosenfels and Danny Wuerffel in a preseason rout of the San Francisco 49ers at Osaka, Japan, some Washington officials decided the Redskins could swap Ramsey and go into the season with their current quarterback contingent.

The idea, discussed internally among Washington staffers, picked up momentum Monday.

The prime trade target of the Redskins was Chicago, and it is no secret some Bears coaches and club officials regarded Ramsey very highly before the draft, thinking he could be groomed behind Jim Miller and Chris Chandler as the quarterback of the future.

Washington was seeking a first-round choice in the 2003 draft and backup offensive guard Mike Gandy, a second-year veteran who was a third-round choice in 2001. That isn't too surprising, because the Redskins' guard play has been abysmal in the offseason. It is not certain what the Bears offered for the quarterback.

The Redskins also felt they might be able to create interest in Ramsey from several other teams, including the Cincinnati Bengals, but that did not occur.

Another hurdle in any proposed Ramsey trade was a league-imposed deadline. According to the collective bargaining agreement, the rights to unsigned draft choices cannot be traded within 30 days of the start of the regular season. Because the season kicks off on a Thursday this year, Sept. 5, any deal must be completed before 12:01 a.m. Wednesday.

Talks broke off, with both sides acknowledging they were at an impasse in discussions, about 10 p.m.

The Redskins certainly have taken a curious approach to their dealings concerning Ramsey. As the team was developing a trade strategy Monday afternoon, one of the Washington offensive assistant coaches phoned Ramsey to tell him he was still in good standing, that the staff still wanted him, and that the Redskins quarterbacks had not really played as well as it seemed in the preseason victory Saturday.

Ramsey, 23, started 32 of 35 games at Tulane and completed 798 of 1,355 passes for 9,205 yards, with 72 touchdown passes and 51 interceptions. He threw for over 2,800 yards and 22 touchdown passes in each of his final college campaigns.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

[GatorEye]

How'd you like to be Ramsey when he finally comes into camp? Man he's GOT to feel like crap!

Notice the article said Mendes was against the trade but it didn't say SOS wasn't against the trade. That sure isn't much of a vote of confidence from the Ol' Ball Coach.

[OrangeSkin]

:cuss: Well, this kid sure started his career off right. I can't wait to hear the boos rain down on him on opening day.

[Zen-like Todd]

Sources said the Bears offered third- and fourth-round draft choices for Ramsey and might have gone as high as a second-rounder if the talks had advanced to the point where a trade was in sight. League officials actually stayed in the NFL offices in New York until nearly 11 p.m. in case a deal was struck.

Are you kidding me? They offered a third and a fourth? Eff that man. What a joke.

[Skins57]

He may have started off his career in worse shape than Heath. I think he should fire that agent of his right now and maybe save a little face. How can SS ever convince Ramsey he is his guy if and when the time comes

[70Chip]

Seriously -- who needs the Bears, and who needs Ramsey. Skins will do fine without this, and frankly I don't think they give a rip how miffed Ramsey is.

Key thing here is that The Danny obviously was willing to unload his *** --

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan

Pasquarelli: "The Redskins now are left to deal with Ramsey, a quarterback out of Tulane miffed that the franchise that drafted him made a substantial attempt to trade him before it ever got him into training camp."

He's miffed the franchise attempted to trade him? When the franchise has made a market-plus offer and he's still not in camp?

What a self-absorbed moron.

I say we still sign and trade the f*ck.

If the league won't let a trade happen now, then in the next offseason.

I'm embarrassed I ever said good things about the guy.

[Skins57]

Thing is if we give him a 3 million bonus and a good contract do we want him becoming another Leaf and doing nothing for us at all. SS better bring him in and sit him down get him straight on where he stands with this team

[SonnyJ]

Well, Ramsey's career here certainly hasn't started off on the right foot. Both he and the team have some fence-mending to do.

Hopefully, both side can let bygones be bygones. In a few years, when Ramsey is racking up yards, TDs, and Ws, Snyder will offer him a nice contract extension, and everyone will laugh about this.

[Montilar]

Are you really surprised at the Bears offer? I'm not. they figured the skins might go for it just to get out from under Ramsey. They thought they could keep the #1 AND get their "future QB".

Note it said they offered a 3rd and 4th; not a 3rd, 4th and Gandy.

A 2cd and Gandy would of been about equal. (A 3rd and 4th is what it would take to moved up from the 3rd into the second generally but still, a 3 and a 4 is a lame offer.)

I figured the bears would lowball and the 1 and gandy was more than they would go.

I guess Ramsey knows where he stands now after this holdout.

Before he had the fans rooting for him. Now he's going to have to earn every cheer he wants to hear.

[Art]

You know, I don't care if Spurrier has to deal with a miffed QB. I do think though the miffed QB ought to care about dealing with the miffed organization, and miffed Spurrier. On the scales of balance, he's in much deeper trouble dealing with that than the team is dealing with him.

[indyskinsfan]

It was already clear this evening, but still us die hards and faithful ones alll, kept holding back our real fury.

Now it doesn't matter if he signs or not, and I feel sorry for his newlywed wife. She's got to redo all that......hey wait a minute!!!

That segment with him being interviewed on t.v. showed an empty house!!!!!! He was just passing through.

Well, where was I? Anyway, it really won't matter if he signs or not, because he will always be known as the rookie that split continuity among the fans. He will be either fairly given a chance or equally despised, heckled at games and peppered with awkward and mean spirited questions.

He won't survive 3 years in D.C. because he would be stalling of all people - Ball Coach's philosophy and progress in camp. That's a no-no. Yeah he knows the players trying to get his (after all Ball Coach go 5mil a yr.). However, the coach earned that in more forms than at QB and he's responsible for the whole teams and it's team goals for the next 5 years.

We don't know what Ramsey's goals are, other than a "FEW DOLLARS MORE".

"A man's got to do, what a man's got to do" Clint Eastwood

Move on Ramsey.

[Dale]

Art, I agree completely. It's propostorous (sp?) to suggest that the Skins are at a disadvantage because Ramsey may be ticked when he's the one holding out in the first place. Ramsey's screwing the pooch here and he really has no one to blame but himself (and his agent).

I really can't understand why he's holding out. He was the last pick in the 1st round, it shouldn't be that hard for him to agree to terms...

[Uptown Skins]

Proof as to why the pick was wasted on him. With Gaffney, Bryant, and Gurode still on the board, I nearly collapsed when I saw we picked him.

[Hoosierskin]

Originally posted by Dale

Art, I agree completely. It's propostorous (sp?) to suggest that the Skins are at a disadvantage because Ramsey may be ticked when he's the one holding out in the first place. Ramsey's screwing the pooch here and he really has no one to blame but himself (and his agent).

I really can't understand why he's holding out. He was the last pick in the 1st round, it shouldn't be that hard for him to agree to terms...

I have been defending Ramsey for the last few weeks and now I am disgusted with the whole thing. I agree with IndySkins Fan and ASF. I would not be mad if we cut the guy. But, is that even possible at this point? Probably not.

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan

Pasquarelli: "Sources said that, in the final hours of the discussions, first-year Redskins coach Steve Spurrier took an active role. They also said Redskins vice president of football operations Joe Mendes, who met with Spurrier for much of the evening while Snyder dealt with Angelo, was opposed to a trade."

If I'm reading this right, both Snyder and Spurrier favored a trade, and Mendes opposed it.

If I'm Ramsey, the two people I do not want to p!ss off in the Redskins organization are Snyder and Spurrier. And both were inches from heaving his ugly a$$ off our team.

Welcome to the basement, Ramsey. You may never start for this team. Brilliant use of your famed intelligence.

[70Chip]

They could have him return punts like Theismann.

[Guest SkinsHokie Fan]

Seriously they just gotta sit him on the bench this year and trade him next offseason. He doesn't have the hype that Arrington had (and Snyder ***** slapped him during negotiations) so he needs to get camp learn about the NFL then prepare to leave town. Several teams will be looking for a young qb with good physical tools next offseason and Ramsey would be the perfect guy for a trade of that sort. As far as I am concerned his career in Washington is done

[Larry Brown #43]

They could have him return punts like Theismann.

Only problem with this idea is he'd want even more money to do it. :laugh:

[fish]

OK,

So if we actually do trade hime in the offseason, did we blow it by not accepting or working out a deal for the Bears 2nd round pick and the Guard they were throwing around as bait?

Do you think we'll get more than a 2nd round pick next year? A year in which "the kid" does nothing but sit on the bench and cash his paychecks? An offseason that might have a better class of QBs than 83?

Probably not.

The front office has either decided to keep him or were never really serious in attempts to trade him.

Either that or they blew it. :gus:

Why oh why are things ALWAYS so difficult for us? Sheesh :doh: !

[MRMADD]

Calm down, guys. Ramsey will sign. He really hasn't missed much -- he was destined to be a bench-warmer anyway.

Sure, he's a punk, and his agent is an idiot. But he's got a year to learn the offense. And despite all the rose colored glasses on this board, the current Skins QBs aren't very good.

The Skins certainly won't cut Ramsey. They could trade him, but no one is going to give them a first-rounder for him. He was the last pick in the first round, and next year's bumper crop of QBs makes a first round pick much more valuable.

Really, the failed trade to Chicago makes it very clear to Ramsey just how valuable he is to the organization. They're tired of him, and could just let him rot for a year and re-enter the draft -- and who'd draft him then? He'd be a 3rd rounder or worse.

So I think he'll come to his senses and sign the contract. In a week or two he'll be apologizing to the fans and saying things like, "I didn't know what I was doing... I just had to trust my agent... blah blah blah." Being the fall guy is part of the agent's job description.

[88Comrade2000]

Originally posted by MRMADD

Calm down, guys. Ramsey will sign. He really hasn't missed much -- he was destined to be a bench-warmer anyway.

Sure, he's a punk, and his agent is an idiot. But he's got a year to learn the offense. And despite all the rose colored glasses on this board, the current Skins QBs aren't very good.

The Skins certainly won't cut Ramsey. They could trade him, but no one is going to give them a first-rounder for him. He was the last pick in the first round, and next year's bumper crop of QBs makes a first round pick much more valuable.

Really, the failed trade to Chicago makes it very clear to Ramsey just how valuable he is to the organization. They're tired of him, and could just let him rot for a year and re-enter the draft -- and who'd draft him then? He'd be a 3rd rounder or worse.

So I think he'll come to his senses and sign the contract. In a week or two he'll be apologizing to the fans and saying things like, "I didn't know what I was doing... I just had to trust my agent... blah blah blah." Being the fall guy is part of the agent's job description.

It maybe already too late for Ramsey. If Shane plays well Saturday and Sage gets to play and does well; there's no point for Ramsey. Patrick's only chance is if Sage gets cut. Otherwise he's just riding the bench.

[@DCGoldPants]

Ramsey told Spurrier by phone earlier yesterday that he wanted to play for the Redskins and be coached by Spurrier, sources said.

Save the negative **** people. You know he'll eventually be signed and the minute he does something good in a preseason game against Tampa or Pittsburgh of NE, your tune will change.

[Potato Sack]

Originally posted by 70Chip

Seriously -- who needs the Bears, and who needs Ramsey. Skins will do fine without this, and frankly I don't think they give a rip how miffed Ramsey is.

Key thing here is that The Danny obviously was willing to unload his *** --

I disagree. Ramsey has brains and an arm. Plus he's young and can be tutored under Spurrier's system. We need him here. What happens in a few years when Ramsey makes the pro-bowl, or makes it deep into the playoffs and, dare I say, the Superbowl? We'll all look back if we traded him now and think, damn, that was stupid.

I hate what that agent has done to this poor kid's mind. I hate that Ramsey's listening. But I'm not foolish enough to say we don't need a QB like Ramsey working towards the future for us.

I say, give him the benefit of the doubt. Chalk it up to a greedy agent with ulterior motives and leave it at that. Once Ramsey gets to camp, things will settle down and we'll see him make some good plays and cheer for him.

I don't, HOWEVER, we'll hear the boos soon enough. That's just how us Redskins' fans heal emotionally.