JoeKnowsBest Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 It seems every week some team busts at least 2 huge runs on us, and in the exact same area of the defense. I'll use my old football teams offensive gap whole terminology to explain. On 1 side of the formation (Left of the QB) you have all even numbers assigned to each gap and evens on the opposite side (right of the QB/Center). 0 and 1 is between center and Guard (hence 50 Gut; 5 beeing the back, and 0 beeing the gap.) 2 and 3 is between the Guard and Tackles. 4 and 5 is between the Tackle and the TE or Slot Reciever, 6 and 7 is between the Outside recievers and the Slot Reciever or Tight End (if your in strong side) and 8 and 9 are Aaaallll the way to the outsides of the formation. It seems to me that we keep giving up huge plays off tackle in the 4 and 5 wholes. Every week it's been happening and each run looks like de ja vu all over again like I could swear that was the exact same run I saw last week. This has been going on since at least the Denver game. I'm concerned that other teams are beginning to see this and at the most oppurtune time hit us with it just like all the other teams. There seems to be a huge weakness in our defense against off tackle runs. Has any one else noticed this? Are you worried other teams will do the same thing and What do you think we gotta do to fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smack500 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I agree our defense has broken down against running plays and short screens repeatedly against several teams. This must be addressed if we want to go deep into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvo14 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Cheease and Rice! Enjoy the win boys! Look at it this way, the long run by Gore was in Garbage time in the 4th quarter with most of our defensive starters on the bench and their first string offense on the field. Take away that run and they are held to 70 yards rushing. Number 90, (a reserve) did not maintain his postition was vulnarable to the cut back, thats why the play broke down. That play and Barlow 15 yarder for the touchdown were the only runs. I don't think any other run in the game went over 3 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 We are allowing the big play this year by running backs. The evidence is undeniable. We're also allowing well over 100 yards per game on the ground this season, mostly because of the big play. It's concerning. But let's keep this in proper perspective, last year we didn't allow the big play and we still lost a ton of games. This year despite this one flaw we are 4-2 and 1st in the NFCE after having played the toughest schedule in our division. So the areas where we have improved have clearly improved enough to over shadow our faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 That's because Lavar and Ramsey played.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 broken down play or not that RB was almost caught by a defensive lineman, now thats hustle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 In years past, we made every back look like Emmit Smith. Every run was 5 yds, and we couldn't get off the field. Now it's like we're playing Barry Sanders. I can live with that so long as the pass D is stout. I'll take 7 three and outs followed by a long run rather than the bend but don't break of season's past where we give up 28 pts and leave our O with terrible feild position for every 8 drives by the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd_sr Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Yeah, that was Nic Clemons, he almost ran him down. The other huge difference from last year is that our O has come alive, thats why we have been able to get away with those big plays. except in the 2 Ls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Gregg Williams will take care of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donita35 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 We are allowing the big play this year by running backs. The evidence is undeniable. We're also allowing well over 100 yards per game on the ground this season, mostly because of the big play. It's concerning. But let's keep this in proper perspective, last year we didn't allow the big play and we still lost a ton of games. This year despite this one flaw we are 4-2 and 1st in the NFCE after having played the toughest schedule in our division. So the areas where we have improved have clearly improved enough to over shadow our faults. Not to rain on your post, but I think we are number two. Good points though. But, I would have rather them not give up big runs, because it our two losses they were game killers. Hopefully we are a good enough defense to have that problem fixed before we play the Giants and Tiki next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smack500 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Why do people continue to defend the gore run. Most of us here are talking about big runs being allowed all season. Most of our games we have let up some big runs, and not all of them were superstar running backs. If the run by gore was the only big run you saw our D give up this year, you must not have watched most of the other games. Back to the main topic. I think it is a big deal and right now; not just in the playoffs. We are going to have some tight games with our schedule, including the game next week probally. Its going to be hard to continue to pull out wins in these situations, if we allow 30+ yd running plays (espcially towards the end of the game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I'm not that concerned about this, because I think it has to do more with injuries than any fundamental problem with our defensive scheme. However, I think that since our scheme relies so much on discipline, a mistake by 1 or 2 players can easily end up giving up a big play. When we don't have our starters on the field, the chances of this happenning increase dramatically. In weeks 1 and 2, our defense was relatively healthy. The longest runs against our defense were 8yds by Thomas Jones and 9yds by Julius Jones ... nothing to get excited about it. In week 3, there was one long run by Shaun Alexander that went for 34 yards, and Alexander would score on a short run a few plays later. That week our secondary was a little banged up, with Walt Harris and Pierson Prioleau out. In week 4, our problems got worse as we gave up two long runs to Tatum Bell of 34 and 55 yards, both for touchdowns. That week Walt Harris was still out, and Shawn Springs was injured before the second touchdown. In week 5, we gave up a 60-yard screen pass to Priest Holmes and also a 19-yard run by Larry Johnson. Shawn Springs didn't play at all that game and neither did Ryan Clark. I think the absence of Walt Harris and especially of Shawn Springs really hurt us those couple weeks. Every single one of those runs was to the outside, and we all know that run support from cornerbacks is pretty important in Gregg Williams' scheme. I don't have film to look at for those plays, and I'm sure there were also mistakes made by the linebackers, but it is tackles in the secondary that save touchdowns, and without Harris and Springs there to make those plays, a lot of 8-yard runs turn into 50-yard runs. Against the 49ers, our defense was of course healthy again, but Barlow scored on a 17-yard run and Gore scored on a 72-yard run. Those two plays have already been talked to death, but the first Barlow run is actually an anomaly because it was an inside run. Unfortunately, several players made mistakes, and the 49ers just executed very well. Gore's run was a play that broke down and went to the outside, but I think we had a lot of subs in at that point. The bottom line though is this - our defense relies on every player knowing their assignment very well and executing. I would say that any time two players make a mistake, there is a serious chance of a big play happenning. When our best players are on the field, they don't usually make those mistakes, and I think that's reflected in the results of the Bears game, the Cowboys game, and most of the 49ers game. I don't think it's something to be too concerned about, unless we start getting some more injuries on defense, especially to our secondary, where good plays can be stopped from becoming big plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichC82 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 The biggest problem I have noticed with the long running plays is missed tackles. Seems like we have had the opportunity to make the play, but for some reason we miss again and again. It will come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbutz Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 broken down play or not that RB was almost caught by a defensive lineman, now thatshustle. Almost caught by #90 the same player that left the side of the field he bounced the run to.But a god run is a good run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalecitymike Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Coach Williams is a defensive mastermind, and he is setting up packages to throw Manning and the Giants Offensive coaches off as we speak. I have faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKnowsBest Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 Okay, I made this thread after LAST week and it has to be brought back after todays game. See, this is a bigger problem then we are letting on. The very first play of the game what happens? They do a toss to the 4 whole and it almost goes for a touchdown. You don't think they noticed when other teams did this and gashed us? They just gashed us for a whole lot more after that. Some of the problem I noticed was Sean Taylor and Warrick Holdman in todays game. It seems Taylor is the one commen denominator though. He's supposed to be playing a position called SAFETY, and yet he plays the play like a linebacker. This gets him sucked in and out of position. He over persues, winds up in the Blockers trap, and the runner runs right by him for a big gain. Holdman was also guilty of this today. He was cought out of position WAY too much. I saw Lavar as a suspect on one play, but on another he did come all the way around from the other side of the field to save his team mates from allowing the same type of big run. I'd be interested in getting video of the second half if any one has it encoded. At any rate, I am very concerned that this is an ongoing problem. I think we have too aggressive of players to play that kind of scheme. Gregg Williams needs to tweak his packages to fix this problem. And Yeah, I am convinced after every thing I saw that Lavar is the better player than Holdman. Holdman seems to be playing more undisciplined than Lavar is acused for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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