For all those who'd shed a tear if Ramsey got traded, read this first . . .

[goldenster95]

http://espn.go.com/ncf/preview02/s/yearofqb.html

[Carlito Sway]

Patrick, we hardly knew ye.

Seriously, though, I'm only really familiar with Palmer, Grossman, and Smoker on that list. I personally think that Chris Simms is wildly overrated and that Major Applewhite was a better leader on the field. To me, Leftwich has "bust" tatooed on his forehead. He looked pretty lousy to me the two times I can rememebre watching him in action, stats notwithstanding. But I can definitely see Smoker and Palmer fitting into the Dirty South Mold. Eli Manning seems more like a name brand than truly legit. But that's just me; y'all may know better.

[Yomar]

Eli Manning is the real deal

[Fred Smoot Fan]

Rex Grossman is DW with an arm, pretty scary

[ChrisFul]

I have this argument with Gator fans i know all the time about Grossman; they think it'll be the end of the world if Grossman ISNT THE #1 pick if he comes out, but since he plays at UF, in a "system", I say he's going to have to prove himself to scouts in individual workouts and the combine, if he chooses to participate. He's definitely the best NFL prospect by FAR that SOS has cranked out at UF, and i think he'll have no problem getting himself into the first round.

Chris Simms is a LOCK for a 1st round pick, because he has measurables that make scouts slobber all over themselves...although I wouldn't touch him unless he shows us a LOT on the field this season.

Many of you haven't seen Eli Manning, but I believe he is every bit the pro prospect as his brother. He's smart, like Peyton, he has a good arm, like Peyton, and he tears up the competition in the SEC, like Peyton. Except Eli does all this at Ole Miss, with talent surrounding him FAR inferior to what big Bro had at UT.

Kingsbury and Leftwich smell like potential busts. Lots of numbers due to the systems they play in. That's rule #1 for a 1st round bust....inflated stats. Ive not seen these guys play, so all i can say is that they meet the first BUST criteria.

Carson Palmer? They've been hyping him for several seasons, and he is unable to take his team anywhere, nor do you ever hear anything about him once the season starts. Next.

Ken Dorsey? He's a winner, but doesn't have the strongest arm. He looks like a 3rd rounder to me right now.

Jared Lorenzen played in Hal Mumme's Run N Shoot at UK, and his delivery is so. freaking. slow. He has a cannon arm, but a slow release. Oh yeah, he also weighs 280-300 lbs. I KID YOU NOT. He's an OL playing QB. The Eagles should draft him, he and Andy Reid can have contests at the local all u can eat BBQ joint.

[OrangeSkin]

Ramsey wouldn't go until the third round next year. Trade him.

Manning is a sure-fire, can't miss prospect. He's the surest bet since Peyton. We should give Ramsey to the Panthers or some other abysmal team for a first rounder so we have a shot at nabbing a top-tier QB (Manning) next year.

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

Originally posted by OrangeSkin

Ramsey wouldn't go until the third round next year. Trade him.

It's too late to trade his rights (deadline passed). Signing him and trading him is cap suicide, since he won't sign for less than a $3M signing bonus, all of which would hit the 2002 cap if he's traded.

The only option for trading him is after the season. Get used to Ramsey on the roster, whether you like the idea or not.

Letting him hold out all year is the dumbest idea of all. It's wasting value that could be had in a trade, and it will create a year-long distraction.

I'd like to sign him and see how Wuerffel plays as starting QB. If Wuerffel does great, trade Ramsey next offseason.

[Reaganaut]

Let's hope that Grossman has a LOUSY year and goes in the second round. We can keep him and Ramsey around to see who is the man of the future.

[SurfinSkinFan]

Eli Manning is the real deal.

Byron Leftwich is not far behind ... and at 6-6 240lbs is one hell've athelete.

Did someone post Ken Dorsey doesn't have any arm strength? Are we looking for someone to throw it to Annapolis? ... or a 50 yard post? I watched the guy chuck it last year against FSU and Oklahoma ... and arm strength did not seem to be an issue ...

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan

It's too late to trade his rights (deadline passed).

Correcting myself.... According to the Washington Post, the team has until this Friday to trade Ramsey's rights. But a deal is unlikely, due to cap issues of teams in a trade.

More details here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47907-2002Aug5.html

[ChrisFul]

Originally posted by SurfinSkinFan

Eli Manning is the real deal.

Byron Leftwich is not far behind ... and at 6-6 240lbs is one hell've athelete.

Did someone post Ken Dorsey doesn't have any arm strength? Are we looking for someone to throw it to Annapolis? ... or a 50 yard post? I watched the guy chuck it last year against FSU and Oklahoma ... and arm strength did not seem to be an issue ...

He doesn't have the GREATEST of arm strength, I said. Its good enough for the NFL, though. Its not a noodle-arm.

[Ford]

I was saying this months ago. http://www.redskinshq.com/viewz/qbs2003.shtml

[RiggoDrill]

I wouldn't cast Ramsey that much yet, folks.

The kid seems smart as a whip ... early grad double major in econ and finance I think .. and has an arm from hell. Matthews said Ramsey had one of the best arms he'd seen "in a long time", and he's been in the NFL for what ... 9 years?

Peyton Manning wouldn't rave about him if he weren't the real deal.

And let's remember that just because Spurrier can manufacture good players like Grossman, Gaffney and Caldwell, it doesn't mean he needs to draft them, or that he can't do it with other guys in the NFL.

Things will get interesting, however, if Matthews is the odd man out. Sage is still young and Danny's only 28.

[W&M]

You all aren't giving my Boy Brian ST. Pierre enough love.

The man stands, 6'4", 225lbs, has a 75 yard arm, yet a quick release and accuracy to boot.

Last year he was among the national leaders in efficiency, but missed the gaudy stats because of William Green.

Best of all, he outperformed Ken Dorsey with only a 1/3 of the talent around him.

[InstiGATOR]

"and he tears up the competition in the SEC, like Peyton."

You are half right here:

1. E.Manning has put up very similar numbers to his brother although E.Manning was greatly aided by a bunch of TDs he threw for in a 6 or 7 OT game where the offense keeps getting the ball on the opponents 25 yard line.

2. You are completely wrong although not alone if you think P.Manning did anything like tear up the SEC. He really was not that good in the SEC. He came in and performed at a high level early in his career and never got any better. He never got within 25 QB rating points of Wuerffel's best season.

Leftwich played pretty darn well against UF in the opener last year and UF went on to lead the SEC in defense. So I would not say he has bust written all over him.

Simms has never done anything. He was pulled from his last two games.

Grossman is shorter than Wuerffel, but has a better arm. Like Wuerffel he is very efficient and can take a hit. His height may keep him out of the first round.

[indyskinsfan]

I struck out on this like the Marucci response - I jumped the gun - darnet! Thought I could count on some posters getting it right.

Well Ramsey's a shoo-in to sign barring a last minute agent requests for cotton candy.

[ChrisFul]

Originally posted by InstiGATOR

"and he tears up the competition in the SEC, like Peyton."

You are half right here:

1. E.Manning has put up very similar numbers to his brother although E.Manning was greatly aided by a bunch of TDs he threw for in a 6 or 7 OT game where the offense keeps getting the ball on the opponents 25 yard line.

2. You are completely wrong although not alone if you think P.Manning did anything like tear up the SEC. He really was not that good in the SEC. He came in and performed at a high level early in his career and never got any better. He never got within 25 QB rating points of Wuerffel's best season.

Leftwich played pretty darn well against UF in the opener last year and UF went on to lead the SEC in defense. So I would not say he has bust written all over him.

Simms has never done anything. He was pulled from his last two games.

Whoa, there. Manning didnt tear up the SEC? Good lord, Gator Homer not wanting to give the Tennessee boy some credit! 3800 yards, 37 TDs his senior year. Yeah, he didn't tear up the SEC. Good Grief. 3 Seasons of 3000+ yards and 20+ TDs. Not really that good in the SEC? Hello? Do I have to post his career numbers? 11,200 yards, 90 TDs. Yeah. All that while only starting a handful of games as a Freshman. You are right. He stunk. What, you think only UF QBs are worthy of greatness? Next you'll be telling me how Doug Johnson was every bit the QB as Peyton Manning.

Eli didnt get ALL his TDs in that 6 or 7 overtime game! Yeah, Chris Simms has choked in the spotlight, but he did put up good numbers last season regardless, and he has everything an NFL scout is looking for in terms of measurable ability. Do some reading, scouts all place Eli, Grossman, and Simms in the 1st round right NOW. Simms may fall out, depending on whether or not he improves on the field this season. Of those three, I think only Eli is a sure-fire LOCK and Simms might be as well, seeing as how the scouts tend to go ga-ga over physical ability.