bulldog Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I have read through 3 or 4 posts on what the defensive staff should be doing differently. Save your breath. The reason the defense has shifted from a more aggressive scheme to dropping guys back into coverage is the team has been without one and then both of the starting corners. Don't you think Gregg Williams has figured out that in an ideal world he sends enough players to rattle the qb and force mistakes? Don't you think he would be doing more of this if he wasn't concerned the team would give up a 35-40 yard touchdown on the outside with rookie Rogers and Jimoh now playing prominent roles in pass coverage? Give Williams and Blache a break. They know what they are doing. If they didn't do what they did Sunday the Redskins might have given up more than 21 points. This defense can make do with Rogers starting alongside Shawn Springs. Harris is a solid player but not irreplaceable. But with Springs missing, this defense loses one of its 'must have' players and there is really nothing that the staff can do to replace a player of his caliber in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I haven't posted about this, but don't you think it's kinda silly to tell people what to write or what not to write? This is a messageboard. If you don't like something, don't read it. People who have opinions should feel free to express them here, that's the point, right? Just my two cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Shame on you bulldog. Bringing logic in here like that. What ever were you thinking? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I have read through 3 or 4 posts on what the defensive staff should be doing differently.Save your breath. The reason the defense has shifted from a more aggressive scheme to dropping guys back into coverage is the team has been without one and then both of the starting corners. Don't you think Gregg Williams has figured out that in an ideal world he sends enough players to rattle the qb and force mistakes? Don't you think he would be doing more of this if he wasn't concerned the team would give up a 35-40 yard touchdown on the outside with rookie Rogers and Jimoh now playing prominent roles in pass coverage? Give Williams and Blache a break. They know what they are doing. If they didn't do what they did Sunday the Redskins might have given up more than 21 points. This defense can make do with Rogers starting alongside Shawn Springs. Harris is a solid player but not irreplaceable. But with Springs missing, this defense loses one of its 'must have' players and there is really nothing that the staff can do to replace a player of his caliber in the short term. Seems so obvious, but there sure are a lot of armchair GMs in here who don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 Okay, Truant, go ahead and explain to us how putting LaVar Arrington out there to freelance and make plays is going to make up for starting Ade Jimoh at cornerback and putting him out there on an island Go ahead. Because I really want to see how you put that square peg in the round hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I have read through 3 or 4 posts on what the defensive staff should be doing differently.Save your breath. The reason the defense has shifted from a more aggressive scheme to dropping guys back into coverage is the team has been without one and then both of the starting corners. Don't you think Gregg Williams has figured out that in an ideal world he sends enough players to rattle the qb and force mistakes? Don't you think he would be doing more of this if he wasn't concerned the team would give up a 35-40 yard touchdown on the outside with rookie Rogers and Jimoh now playing prominent roles in pass coverage? Give Williams and Blache a break. They know what they are doing. If they didn't do what they did Sunday the Redskins might have given up more than 21 points. This defense can make do with Rogers starting alongside Shawn Springs. Harris is a solid player but not irreplaceable. But with Springs missing, this defense loses one of its 'must have' players and there is really nothing that the staff can do to replace a player of his caliber in the short term. no no no, Williams won't start LaVar.. he is an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I haven't posted about this, but don't you think it's kinda silly to tell people what to write or what not to write? This is a messageboard. If you don't like something, don't read it. People who have opinions should feel free to express them here, that's the point, right?Just my two cents... he's just bringing up a good point.Springs has been hurt and Walt isn't playing. We've had our #3 and #4 CBs on the field for a good number of snaps and people are amazed that our defense hasn't played as well. Not to mentioned we've played 2 good offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Nice reply Bulldog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 he's just bringing up a good point.Springs has been hurt and Walt isn't playing. We've had our #3 and #4 CBs on the field for a good number of snaps and people are amazed that our defense hasn't played as well. Not to mentioned we've played 2 good offenses. Not to mention that the defense still played pretty well! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinNoble Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Are you suggesting that Gregg Williams knows more about coaching defense than we do? I was just about to post a thread imploring Dan Snyder to stop wasting millions on professional coaches and just let the folks here at ExtremeSkins.com set the starting lineup and use live polls to call in plays on gameday. Perhaps I should re-think this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aejm1400 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I haven't posted about this, but don't you think it's kinda silly to tell people what to write or what not to write? This is a messageboard. If you don't like something, don't read it. People who have opinions should feel free to express them here, that's the point, right?Just my two cents... You know, that's very funny that you make that statement after not liking his post. Isn't that what he did in his post? Maybe it's me, but I have to read a post before I can dislike it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 bulldog wrote... The reason the defense has shifted from a more aggressive scheme to dropping guys back into coverage is the team has been without one and then both of the starting corners. You logic doesn't square with the facts. The lack of agressiveness this year preceded the loss of the CBs. I noticed it in the Dallas game. Didn't you? And it would have been insane to blitz Hasslebeck who was getting the ball out in 2.5 seconds. I think what we're seeing is a necessary adjustment by G. Williams to offensive strategies designed to counter blitz heavy defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezel Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Yeah, big blitzing works well at the beginning of the season but once QB's and the receivers have built a level of comfort, they become less effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey T Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 sicum bd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 bulldog wrote... The reason the defense has shifted from a more aggressive scheme to dropping guys back into coverage is the team has been without one and then both of the starting corners.You logic doesn't square with the facts. The lack of agressiveness this year preceded the loss of the CBs. I noticed it in the Dallas game. Didn't you? And it would have been insane to blitz Hasslebeck who was getting the ball out in 2.5 seconds. I think what we're seeing is a necessary adjustment by G. Williams to offensive strategies designed to counter blitz heavy defenses. it's called game planning. Dallas was prepared for the blitzes, max protected, and had Bledsoe roll out make quick throws..... Williams counter with playing backmaking Bledsoe throw short or no one open. The only real threat was the Flea Flicker that Taylor bit on. the rest Dallas could muster was two FG's... and we won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 bulldog wrote... The reason the defense has shifted from a more aggressive scheme to dropping guys back into coverage is the team has been without one and then both of the starting corners.You logic doesn't square with the facts. The lack of agressiveness this year preceded the loss of the CBs. I noticed it in the Dallas game. Didn't you? And it would have been insane to blitz Hasslebeck who was getting the ball out in 2.5 seconds. I think what we're seeing is a necessary adjustment by G. Williams to offensive strategies designed to counter blitz heavy defenses. Actually Oldfan nailed it. The usual suspects line up to congratulate bulldog's latest, but as usual, it contains a very basic error. Now he's right in that there was MORE compensation, but just listen to Gregg's interview after Dallas. They countered the blitz(just as the Skins were doing at Denver) with max protect and the like and the Skins adjusted. One can be generally optimistic about this year, without inventing 'facts' to attempt to deride people with differing opinions on specific matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 it's called game planning.Dallas was prepared for the blitzes, max protected, and had Bledsoe roll out make quick throws..... Williams counter with playing backmaking Bledsoe throw short or no one open. The only real threat was the Flea Flicker that Taylor bit on. the rest Dallas could muster was two FG's... and we won. Um, yeah, that doesn't mean his post was wrong. The fact is, and Williams has SAID IT, is that teams are learning to counter the blitzes and that the team has to adjust and pick its spots better or design the "max beater" plays and call them at the right moment. They're still blitzing but the effectiveness is diminished at the moment. But Oldfan's post is still accurate. The thing with Springs will necessitate MORE adjustment, but the adjustments were ALREADY BEING MADE before Springs got hurt. THat was the point of his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Oh joy, another thread calling out people with opinions that aren’t “the coaches are dreamy, I wonder if they’ll notice me if I cheer hard enough.” Second to the Lavar threads, these are the most numerous, or maybe it’s just their sickening nature that makes them seem to be. If people are done congratulating Bulldog for challenging those evil dissenters for sharing their opinions, can we discuss the fact that he is just flat out wrong? The reason the defense has shifted from a more aggressive scheme doesn’t appear to be the absence of the starting CBs at all, as evidenced by the lack of aggressiveness all season long. This isn't the same defense that last year would happily blitz anyone at anytime. Gregg Williams, you know the guy we are supposed to get our opinions from or risk being called out by an appropriately named poster, has stated that the lack of aggression is because teams know our rep and come ready for it. Our defense this year has taken a different approach. Judging by the fact that we are giving up less points per game then we did at this point last year, I’d say it’s working great. If we had a more effective D-line for passing situations it would be better, but top 5 is good enough to be 3-1. Also I suspect that having a more effective offense the defense feels less of a need to take risk knowing that they need to keep us close and Mark and company will go out there and take care of business, but I could be wrong. That’s my opinion, I hope it was acceptable to “true fans” that understand that coaches know better then everyone else and should never be questioned under any circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inevitable Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH. Lois, this is not my Batman cup. No seriously, we are ignoring some crucial aspects in this debate. If you look at what Trevor Pryce was saying following the game, it didn't matter how many people Denver sent on the blitz, they couldn't get to Mark. This is what teams are doing to us, this year they are playing max protection against us much, much more often then they did last year. This makes it almost useless to blitz. If you try to blitz, you won't get there in time. Instead, you drop back in coverage, and make the QB beat you. We shut down Plummer Sunday. Bledsoe didn't have a fantastic outing agianst us. Neither did Hasselbeck. This is exactly what Trevor Pryce was saying, they were sending guys, and it didn't matter because we were sending out recievers, the receivers were catching the ball, and the QB was making plays. They didn't sack Brunell once. That's what GW is doing, he isn't playing into the hands of Max protection, instead he is backing off, making all those extra blockers useless, idle hands on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Ok, who here really thinks that every person who starts a thread or creates a post is actually believing they're giving Gregg Williams coaching advice??...lol :laugh: True, GW doesn't need anyone here giving him advice...but he doesn't need anyone here speaking on his behalf, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Oh joy, another thread calling out people with opinions that aren’t “the coaches are dreamy, I wonder if they’ll notice me if I cheer hard enough.” Second to the Lavar threads, these are the most numerous, or maybe it’s just their sickening nature that makes them seem to be. If people are done congratulating Bulldog for challenging those evil dissenters for sharing their opinions, can we discuss the fact that he is just flat out wrong? That’s my opinion, I hope it was acceptable to “true fans” that understand that coaches know better then everyone else and should never be questioned under any circumstances. Des, I love you. Seriously. I'd say more, but I don't want to turn the thread into an attack on a particular poster who has made several flat-out erroneous statements in his 'Nuremberg address' posts since being publicly-praised and becoming a 'positive' poster (however right that position seems to be, generally.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse472 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH. Lois, this is not my Batman cup.No seriously, we are ignoring some crucial aspects in this debate. If you look at what Trevor Pryce was saying following the game, it didn't matter how many people Denver sent on the blitz, they couldn't get to Mark. This is what teams are doing to us, this year they are playing max protection against us much, much more often then they did last year. This makes it almost useless to blitz. If you try to blitz, you won't get there in time. Instead, you drop back in coverage, and make the QB beat you. We shut down Plummer Sunday. Bledsoe didn't have a fantastic outing agianst us. Neither did Hasselbeck. This is exactly what Trevor Pryce was saying, they were sending guys, and it didn't matter because we were sending out recievers, the receivers were catching the ball, and the QB was making plays. They didn't sack Brunell once. That's what GW is doing, he isn't playing into the hands of Max protection, instead he is backing off, making all those extra blockers useless, idle hands on the field. I totally agree with you. It's GW doing what he's says of staying one step ahead of offenses. In a related comment that probably has been made in the infinite number of Lavar threads...with all the fury coming from the fans about Lavar, it's my hope that the community ultimately support GW and the coaching staff. I don't want to see anyone from the defensive coaching leave prematurely because of zealous pro-Lavar conspiracy fanatics tormenting them or their families. They work hard. They are doing an incredible job. I like Lavar and would love to see him play. But I trust that GW and the D staff know exactly what they are doing. Like the thread says Gregg Williams Doesn't Need Our Advice...just our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellSuperbowl Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Greg Williams has done nothing. the D was very good last yr. But did not help us win games so who cares. His D was very good in buffalo did not help them win games. The point of the NFL is to win games. You need big time players like Dexter Manley , Lavar , Urlacker , LT whoever you can think of. A FREAK. Greg Williams has been a loser everywhere he has coached. He deserves no respect until his defense wins games. Having a defense that does not give up too many yards just keeps you in games. It does not win games. Almost 70 percent of the NFL teams can stay in games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I'm confused where did he say you couldn't have a different opinion? I believe he is debunking three or four posts he read where people thought they knew more than GW. isn't that what we do on a message board, "debate opinions", and try to prove your right and the other person is wrong. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Greg Williams has done nothing.the D was very good last yr. But did not help us win games so who cares. His D was very good in buffalo did not help them win games. The point of the NFL is to win games. You need big time players like Dexter Manley , Lavar , Urlacker , LT whoever you can think of. A FREAK. Greg Williams has been a loser everywhere he has coached. He deserves no respect until his defense wins games. Having a defense that does not give up too many yards just keeps you in games. It does not win games. Almost 70 percent of the NFL teams can stay in games that's right the offense and special teams HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WINNING OR LOSING! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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