Sarge Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46729 INVASION USA Highway sound barriers as border fences? Construction would be economically, physically feasible, say experts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: October 10, 2005 10:10 p.m. Eastern By Jon Dougherty © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com As discussion of erecting a security fence along U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada heats up, some analysts say it's possible Washington could economically erect thousands of miles of barrier to keep out illegal aliens, smugglers and terrorists, for about half of what the Pentagon is spending a month to fight the war on terror. The idea, they say, is to erect a structure similar to barrier walls built along highways to reduce sound. They are sturdy, tall, not easily scaled and, most attractively, affordable. Plus, analysts say, a wall would dramatically reduce outside threats. The Federal Highway Administration says most highway sound barriers are constructed of concrete or masonry block, range from 3-5 meters [9-16 feet] in height, and cost between $175 and $200 a square meter. According to the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, there are "more than 2,630 linear miles of sound barriers" along U.S. highways, constructed at a cost of some $1.4 billion. By comparison, the Pentagon is spending about $3.9 billion a month in Iraq and Afghanistan, not counting rebuilding costs, the Associated Press has reported. One group, WeNeedAFence.com, is advocating the construction of a "state-of-the-art fence" along the entire U.S.-Mexico border, a plan it says would dramatically reduce illegal immigration. The group points to the fact that similar security fences in Israel have reduced terrorist attacks there by as much as 95 percent in some regions. Lee Plank, executive vice president and chief operating officer of Diamond Manufacturing Company in Wyoming, Pa., says his company has not been approached about border security fences, but, he said, they would be a good idea. "I think they'd have to be about 10 feet high," he told WND, and would cost "about $636,000 a mile" to build. That's about $1.27 billion for 2,000 miles of border fence, similar to the government's figures. Plank, who says his company specializes in sound-absorbing corrugated metal walls, said a border security fence "would save a lot on manpower." "It would be interesting to see them on the borders," he added. Mike Flick of Oldcastle Precast Group, a nationwide leader in both highway and security fencing, told WND the idea of border fencing is certainly doable, but the design, depth and other particulars would need to be worked out. Some have criticized the idea of a border fence. "The United States needs a better immigration policy, not a fence along the border with Mexico that won't do anything to protect us anyway," says an editorial in the Modesto Bee. "The proposed fence is simply a sign of frustration with illegal immigration. Our politicians need to come up with workable solutions to the problems of illegal immigration and national security." WeNeedAFence.com officials say a border fence makes sense in this day and age. "The problem is not merely the number of illegal immigrants. In addition to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from Central and South America, there are several hundreds, perhaps thousands, of illegal aliens from countries that sponsor terrorism or harbor terrorists entering the United States each year across our border with Mexico. Thus, it is a national security issue as well as an immigration issue," the group says on its website. Officials at the Department of Homeland Security also believe in erecting new fences or strengthening existing ones as a way to bolster security. Last month DHS quietly implemented a pair of measures aimed to bring regions of the southwestern border under control One measure "makes it easier for officials to remove non-Mexican illegal immigrants, popularly called 'other than Mexicans' or OTMs," U.S. News & World Report said, "while another adds yet one more level of fortification to a metal wall stretching along parts of the border." "They clearly did this when no one was looking," complained Tim Edgar, an immigration specialist with the American Civil Liberties Union. "And I'm worried DHS is trying to set new norms for how we treat immigrants in the United States." Border Patrol agents have praised fences as a means to deter border-jumping. One San Diego-area agent, speaking on anonymity, told WND fences constructed there have "dramatically" reduced the incidents of illegal immigration, though, the agent conceded, many immigrants have merely moved inland, east of the area where the San Diego fence line ended, to sneak into the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 How about microwaves? The military has the tech. It will bring you to you knees. One General said "it makes every cell in you body cry out in pain" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 A chainlink fence with sensors would be as,or more,effective with less cost. Of course cost has never been a factor to the congress I wonder who has the best lobbyist...Concreters or chain linkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Why not a big moat with alligators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I want sharks with frikken laser beams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I want sharks with frikken laser beams. Now were talking..How about dredging and dam the rio Grande. Sharks with lasers on the lower,mutant pihranas on the upper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 At least with the barrier idea, you've got a lot of experience to base your cost estimates on. It's known technology, with known installation and maintenance costs. Not much chance of the usual government cost creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I want sharks with frikken laser beams. :rotflmao: I think TWA missed the joke, but it was hillarious . . . you owe me a keyboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNut73 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 "I think they'd have to be about 10 feet high," he told WND, and would cost "about $636,000 a mile" to build. That's about $1.27 billion for 2,000 miles of border fence, similar to the government's figures. Spend $636K per mile for a 10' fence...and then someone runs to Home Depot and buys a ladder and scales it in seconds I want sharks with frikken laser beams. This idea works!!! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Spend $636K per mile for a 10' fence...and then someone runs to Home Depot and buys a ladder and scales it in seconds And then sneaks accross the desert, while carrying a 10' ladder over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNut73 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 And then sneaks accross the desert, while carrying a 10' ladder over his head. No, silly...he leaves it there for his buddies to use the next day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdowwe Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Spend $636K per mile for a 10' fence...and then someone runs to Home Depot and buys a ladder and scales it in seconds Then hopefully gets hit by a car...well I guess it wouldnt be that busy of a road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 The invisable barrier would be so much more effective phycologically. Use the satelites that we already have triggered by radar/listening devices spread every 10 miles or so, than the satelites gets a fix on the target and zappo! A non-lethal near death experience combined with a 3rd degree burn on thier face to scare off the others, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webnarc Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 The invisable barrier would be so much more effective phycologically. Use the satelites that we already have triggered by radar/listening devices spread every 10 miles or so, than the satelites gets a fix on the target and zappo! A non-lethal near death experience combined with a 3rd degree burn on thier face to scare off the others, problem solved. I didn't see any smilies in your post and I've quoted back in it's original form just so I'm sure we're talking about the same thing. Are you really in support of disfiguring people who try to get into your country? Do you really believe it will work (the fear of death doesn't seem to be putting off any Cubans)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty P For The Pulitzer Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Spend $636K per mile for a 10' fence...and then someone runs to Home Depot and buys a ladder and scales it in seconds And finds sharks with friggin' laser beams waiting for him on the other side of the wall. It's all too perfect! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallow1 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Heres an easy cheap way to deal with our southern boarder,.......we import all the landmines were gathering in Iraq and Afganistan and we re-allocate them to the boarder with Mexico. Free boarder patrol....and maybe the ones that make it thru can stay here, the gutty ****s there the kinda guys we need picking our stawberries and multching our beds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I think this barrier combined with snipers interspersed every so often and UAVs patrolling the skies would be effective. I hope the chain-link fence idea is a joke. I don't see this happening under the current administration or any new administration either... we're going to have to build it ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNut73 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I don't see this happening under the current administration or any new administration either... we're going to have to build it ourselves. Why can't we have the illegal immigrants in this country build it for us...would save on labor??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Heres an easy cheap way to deal with our southern boarder,.......we import all the landmines were gathering in Iraq and Afganistan and we re-allocate them to the boarder with Mexico. Free boarder patrol....and maybe the ones that make it thru can stay here, the gutty ****s there the kinda guys we need picking our stawberries and multching our beds! no way their landmines suck, we got self healing minefield platforms we should put them to use. http://www.darpa.mil/ato/programs/SHM/saic.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I didn't see any smilies in your post and I've quoted back in it's original form just so I'm sure we're talking about the same thing.Are you really in support of disfiguring people who try to get into your country? Do you really believe it will work (the fear of death doesn't seem to be putting off any Cubans)? Official diclaimer: All remarks made by DeanColins, with or without a smilie face, are and were made with the intent to be humorus. We appologize if said humor is not in keeping with your deffinition of good tatse. God loves, and I love you (most of you anyway), now GET OVER IT! :mad::laugh::cool::doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webnarc Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Official diclaimer: All remarks made by DeanColins, with or without a smilieface, are and were made with the intent to be humorus. We appologize if said humor is not in keeping with your deffinition of good tatse. God loves, and I love you (most of you anyway), now GET OVER IT! :mad::laugh::cool::doh: But you're not funny Dean. Sorry if I don't see the humor of your chop their heads off and burn their faces jokes. And by sorry here I mean go build a deck . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Why not a big moat with alligators? I don't know, aren't alligators expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Build it and they won't come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Build it and they won't come. . . . without a shovel. Why would we spend $1.7billion dollars keeping out people whe all it takes is a shovel you can buy for $15 to circumvent the system? Furthermor, people that actually increase the economy sould be eliminated from assimilating into our culture? Makes no sense to me. Sarge, I think we debated this in the other thread about immigration, but the paper you linked was a farce. I am currious if you have changed your position that illegals pay less into the system then they takeout, because I have YET to see something that tells me so. In fact, everything I have read points to the fact that immigration has a net positive effect on our economy and budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Heres an easy cheap way to deal with our southern boarder,.......we import all the landmines were gathering in Iraq and Afganistan and we re-allocate them to the boarder with Mexico. Free boarder patrol....and maybe the ones that make it thru can stay here, the gutty ****s there the kinda guys we need picking our stawberries and multching our beds! I really dislike your tone. Mexicans are people and sometimes I get the impression that people here consider them worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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