bubba9497 Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Redskins thriving despite troubles By Ryan O'Halloran THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20051007-121732-5396r Just call the Redskins "Team Despite." Despite having the fifth-worst scoring offense in the NFL, Washington is 3-0. Despite recording only four sacks -- third worst in the league -- the Redskins lead the NFC East. And in the most mind-boggling statistic of the Redskins' surprising start, they remain undefeated despite being minus-4 in turnover ratio. "It's living very dangerously," left tackle Chris Samuels said. "The stats show that you don't really win in those situations. Basically, we've been defying the odds." The Redskins are tied for 24th in turnover ratio. Washington was 1-4 when it lost the turnover battle last year, and coach Joe Gibbs knows it will catch up to the Redskins eventually, possibly Sunday at Denver. "We're going against all odds," Gibbs said. "We can't do that. We have to protect the football, and we have to find some way to get the football." The league's other three unbeaten teams have positive ratios: Cincinnati (plus 13), Tampa Bay and Indianapolis (both plus 3). Twelve teams have a negative turnover margin, and the Redskins are the only one with a winning record. "It's a priority for us every week," assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams said. "We would hope that we would produce some bigger plays that way." According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the last time a team won three straight games while losing the turnover battle was Green Bay last season, so it's not unprecedented. "This is a field position game, and if you don't shorten the field, you won't score points because everybody in this league punts well," Gibbs said. "It really concerns me. We have to fix that." Unlike a lot of issues last season, this isn't just an offense-only problem. The Redskins defense ranks fifth in yards allowed but has forced only two turnovers -- a Lemar Marshall interception and Cornelius Griffin fumble recovery against Chicago. The Redskins' six giveaways are tied for 12th in the league, and only Baltimore, Houston and Green Bay have fewer than the Redskins' two takeaways. "It's definitely not how we wanted to start the season," defensive end Renaldo Wynn said. "Where it starts is a defensive back getting an interception and the defensive line batting balls down and stripping the running backs. "We've had a lot of missed opportunities because we might get a fumble and aren't able to recover it. If we keep working on it, things will start rolling our way." Said Williams: "In a lot of the years I've coached, turnovers come in bunches." Among the few shortcomings on defense last year for the Redskins were sacks (40) and fumble recoveries (eight). Those two characteristics happen to be a strength of linebacker LaVar Arrington, who has 22.5 career sacks and 11 forced fumbles. Arrington played two snaps against Seattle. "He's doing better; he's improving," Williams said. "He has a really good team attitude, and as he improves, he'll play more. Right now, we're playing as well as we can play with the people we are playing and the guys who have put the most time in. There could be a chance [Arrington] might spring out this week." Williams said Arrington, who worked in special teams drills for the first time yesterday, is seeing a regular amount of work in practice. "Every day is an opportunity. Every day is an interview," Williams said. "We're a pretty old-school coaching staff. You have to do it in practice if you're going to do it in the game. I'm not going to relent on that. We try to give everybody the reps they're supposed to have." Whether Arrington becomes a factor in the defense remains to be seen. Regardless, the Redskins have to find a way to recover more than one of the seven fumbles by their opponents. "We've had opportunities when the ball has been on the ground, but we haven't been able to get it," Gibbs said. "I know it's a big stress for our defensive coaches. We've racked our mind to come up with something different, but so far we haven't been able to find the answer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 "We've had opportunities when the ball has been on the ground, but we haven't been able to get it," Gibbs said. "I know it's a big stress for our defensive coaches. We've racked our mind to come up with something different, but so far we haven't been able to find the answer." I bet most on THIS board could come up with a one word answer. Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I bet most on THIS board could come up with a one word answer.Blondie Uhhh I know. "Rock"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hmmm...well I seem to remember at least two turnovers that we should have had but the refs took away......that would certainly have helped that margin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Uhhh I know. "Rock"? Broughton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hmmm...well I seem to remember at least two turnovers that we should have had but the refs took away......that would certainly have helped that margin... so true, so true :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
>>Spearhead>> Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I bet most on THIS board could come up with a one word answer. hmmm .... Ramsey? :doh1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 I bet most on THIS board could come up with a one word answer.Blondie LaVar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Wow...and I here I was thinking "Rock" was her answer to everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManleyMann71 Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 this article goes right along with what I saw on NFL Live on ESPN last night. Obviously we have a stellar defense, but Trey Wingo pointed out that those who don't follow the skins as closely as we here do, they wouldn't be able to name more than one starter. Raising the question, "Are they the new no-name defense?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 LaVar? This has to be it, doesn't it? I mean, how is an offensive player going to help us get turnovers? Soemtimes I wonder if we really do have such intellligent fans on this board. :dunce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 You can look at this one of two ways: 1) We're very good and still managing to win despite all these things that haven't happened in our favor and, once we start getting turnovers and sacks we'll be even better or 2) We're getting lucky to win I pick #1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
>>Spearhead>> Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Soemtimes I wonder if we really do have such intellligent fans on this board. :stupid: Dude - you got me :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 What's more interesting than just the fact the Skins won the game in spite of turnovers is that Gibbs keeps preaching 'no turnovers' but teams TURN THE BALL OVER in this league. Like when he pointed to turnovers at halftime of the Dallas game--neither one was 'incredibly' impactful and the Betts one, while potentially damaging, did nothing. If the offense can continue to improve and put the ball in the END ZONE, we could keep losing the turnover battle and win games. I believe that the turnover ratio is more a reflection on your DEFENSE and how many chances they give the offense to score easy points(or scoring themselves.) We need to stress putting the ball in the end zone, continue playing good D, and forcing turnovers more than we need to stress 'no turnovers by offense' at this moment. It's not turnovers that are killing the team(though we had some ones that were costly.) It's LACK of forced turnovers and TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Dave Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I bet most on THIS board could come up with a one word answer.Blondie Tacos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalRedskinFan Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I'm not a Stat guy so maybe someone knows the answer? How many combined fumbles/int have the Donkeys given up this season so far? I figure that its just a matter of time before the turnover Karma comes around and I was wondering if Denver were prone to them?:point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bricucci Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I think our lack of offense can be attributed to no turnovers and a bend but not break D this year. I don't have the stats, but I would put $$ on the fact we our in the bottom 3 of average starting field position. Our O is starting to move the ball, but you just don't score alot when you always start at the 20. I think Lavar could bring more turnovers, but he is often out of position which will kill a Greg Williams D. I think our D will continue to Gel and the turnovers will come. Call it ironic, but I bet we lose the first game we our positive in turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Plummer? :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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