We're Seeing a Pattern: Ramsey and Arrington

[jrockster21]

he is not a Redskins fan. He is one of many trolls like GHOST whatever among others who came when Snyder bought the team .There is a lot of skins hate because of Snyder. I am not sure why but it is weird and seems like there is something else behind it. They call radio stations and post on message boards pretending to be Redskins fans. I am 20 and only remember the last 2 years of Gibbs. How can some on who is 30 and rememebers the 80s not think Gibbs does not play the best guys who thinks give the team the best chance of winning?

This AJ SKINS guy is a troll. When we drafted Cambell he said we drafted him because he wears 17 and is black. GET A LIFE MAN.

BSB -- Neither AJ nor Nibbs (Nibbs especially) are trolls. Of everyone involved in this conversation, you fit the bill the best. So try to go easy on the insults and stick to discussing football, okay?

I'm out...gotta go to class. Will resume this discussion later!

[AJ_Skins]

If Ramsey is this wonderkid that you continue to make him out to be, shouldn't we have won that game?

The thing that shows the weakness of people like yourself over and over again is your need to resort to these kinds of comments. I have never said Ramsey was a "wonderkid" or anything of the sort. If you read my posts, you'll see what really drives my opinion on this matter...I think we would be better off playing a dachsund at QB than Mark Brunell.

[fansince62]

neophyte......exactly......is there a scratch on this record?????

[BrunellSuperbowl]

Ghost, I don't know. I don't remember much about the Giants and SF games....we scored 31 and 26 so I guess the offense was decent. We still looked like ish for the most part in the Dallas game there and in the Philly game here.....don't know whether that was still due to conservative playcalling or what. The Vikings game was the only one I remember thinking....."God, if the offense had looked this way all year....."

Anyway, we'll see what happens the next few games. Cross your fingers that Monday night was a wake-up call for the offense.

Ramsey and Brunell both played equal time. Ramsey got the Giants and Bengals games. Brunell was out before the first quarter ended in both those games. Yet Ramsey lovers forget to say it

[hail2skins]

BrunellSuperbowl, please check your facts. In the Giants game Ramsey entered the game in the third quarter. In the Bengals game he entered midway through the second quarter. In both games the Redskins were already behind. Granted, Ramsey didn't exactly set the world on fire in those games (we don't even want to talk about the Giants), but to pin both of those games solely on Ramsey is unfair.

[jrockster21]

The thing that shows the weakness of people like yourself over and over again is your need to resort to these kinds of comments. I have never said Ramsey was a "wonderkid" or anything of the sort. If you read my posts, you'll see what really drives my opinion on this matter...I think we would be better off playing a dachsund at QB than Mark Brunell.

Hehe -- as soon as I post that you're not a troll you go and throw an insult out to validate your point. :doh:

[hands11]

Been reading your posts today. Coach Gibbs has no obligation to tell you what's going on. This isn't like watching the World Series of Poker where you can see the hole cards. Information is a very valuable commodity and if everything is spelled out to you the fan, then guess what? The entire freaking league can see your hand.

Be a fan. Root for your team. Learn to read between the lines and try to understand the coach-speak. That's the best you can hope for until we're down the road a ways and the true story can safely come out without hurting the effort to win a championship.

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You go....ahh.... boy. lol Thats doesnt work as well.

You totally got it. Not enough fans today understand how Gibbs operates.

They still don't believe. Just listen to players like Charles Mann. He will translate for you.

[Ghost of]

all you do is make up stuff to make yourself look better.

first of all he played in 7 games. He played the Giants and Bengals games for basically the whole game. He lost both games by himself becuase of bone head plays.

He lost the Eagles game by himself. He did not score 13 points in either the first Eagles game or the Steelers game. He did not in both of those games. He played well in 2 games. Vs the Giants and Vikings at the end of the year both at home. Brunell played well in 1. Vs the Cowboys last year. 2-1 . BIG WHOOP

Those games were NOT as a starter, since his play improved markedly, one can reasonably toss those games out as outliers, one because he was nowhere near ready.

He didn't lose both games by himself. Skins were down 17-0 with Brunell, do you remember?

As for making stuff up, I love how you ignored how your point about Tim H. was demolished. No one makes anything up here, except you.

This is my last post to you. You are THE WORST new poster on this board. You don't speak to your elders with respect, you are full of rant and venom but little in the way of civil discourse with your fellow members. You jump immediately to personal attacks and strident language that turns pretty much everyone off.

GOODBYE.

[JimmiJo]

I am sure that someone pointed this out, as we are 6 pages at least deep in this, but JG revealed on his radio show yesterday that LA had to have the injured knee drained a few weeks ago, suggesting that the knee is not 100%, is still swelling and building up fuid.

As far PR, AJ, we've talked this to death, not that you should not continue. But for the 100th time, I believe:

RAMSEY IS NOT A QUALITY QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL.

Thanks for letting me share...

[Ghost of]

JJ, yeah I mentioned the knee drain.

I don't think the two are necessarily the same situation. I may disagree on one, but it is at least based on perception and judgment of play. Lavar, I think, is more about getting worked in and being healthy to unleash.

[hands11]

That's simply impossible. Anybody with eyes can see what Brunell is at this stage of his career.

Actually, there are a lot of folks like you, but they are slowing seeing things like Gibbs. Youll be there to some enough.

I took me till about the second preseason game to start to see it.

It took others till the last 4 minutes of the Dallas game.

If he stays healthy, I think he will stay the starter and put up good number and we will be in the playoffs.

If he gets injured, I think Pat will come back a better man then he left and he will have a better, more seasoned team round him.

[Joey T]

Ramsey is a pedestrian QB, at best, in this stage of his career. He cannot read a defense. He has NO confidence in his ability. Lot's of people fell in love with him because of his propensity to stay in the pocket and take a hit. Reality is, he simply cannot read a defense and make his progressions at this time.

With his arm, he should be zipping throws downfield at 15-20 yards for completions instead of dumping/handing off when we have a third and seven.

Or what's worse, making a stupid throw into double/triple coverage for an interception.

I hope we can recoup part of our first round pick in an attempt to trade him after this season. It's plain and simple, Gibbs has no faith in him and Patrick

would be better served in another scenario.

Good luck to Patrick. Hey lookit, Frerotte is a starter after all these years

[Dweezel]

That's a hypothetical, so I'll give you conjecture. If Brunell plays the way he played against the Bears and Cowboys, I don't think there's any chance we finish over .500.

Yes, it is hypothetical which was obvious based on the words IF versus WHEN. So, answer the question.

[BrunellSuperbowl]

Those games were NOT as a starter, since his play improved markedly, one can reasonably toss those games out as outliers, one because he was nowhere near ready.

He didn't lose both games by himself. Skins were down 17-0 with Brunell, do you remember?

As for making stuff up, I love how you ignored how your point about Tim H. was demolished. No one makes anything up here, except you.

This is my last post to you. You are THE WORST new poster on this board. You don't speak to your elders with respect, you are full of rant and venom but little in the way of civil discourse with your fellow members. You jump immediately to personal attacks and strident language that turns pretty much everyone off.

GOODBYE.

he threw INT AFTER INT. HE threw 6 vs the Giants and about 3 vs the Bengals. Are you kidding me? Who cares who is the starter. The back up even has a better shot because the defense did not have a week to prepare for him. That is why you always see back up QBs bring there teams back to wins

[Ghost of]

he threw INT AFTER INT. HE threw 6 vs the Giants and about 3 vs the Bengals. Are you kidding me? Who cares who is the starter. The back up even has a better shot because the defense did not have a week to prepare for him. That is why you always see back up QBs bring there teams back to wins

6 against the Giants?

:doh: You are indeed a liar and bloviator. May the football message board gods curse you and your house for all eternity.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

he threw INT AFTER INT. HE threw 6 vs the Giants and about 3 vs the Bengals. Are you kidding me? Who cares who is the starter. The back up even has a better shot because the defense did not have a week to prepare for him. That is why you always see back up QBs bring there teams back to wins

You're killing the pro-Brunell argument bro...

Ramsey threw 3 INTs vs. NY...granted not a good game, but 6???

[tr1]

Let me explain this a little more clearly. I was very optimistic before last season. Gibbs was back. I had no opinion one way or another about the QB position. Based on his history, I thought Brunell would be solid. This year, I was optimistic because Gibbs said he was going to change the offense, got some receivers to go with it, and was going to play Ramsey. You know who ruined my optimism and made me "depressed" both times? MARK BRUNELL.

The last 5 minutes of the Cowboys game does not wipe out the first 55 as if they never happened. Up until the end, that game was the lowest point of my 23+ years as a Redskins fan. When those plays happened to turn it around, I just got back to even keel-- not optimism. Sorry if that doesn't suit you. It was a great win in terms of the Redskins/Cowboys rivalry. I won't take anything away from that-- but in terms of the big picture for the season, there was much more bad in that game than good. Even the coaches admit that.

I'm afraid the Ghost is correct...you strike me as a troll. Are you a Philly fan or a Cowboy fan?

Good God man, we're 2-0 with Brunell at the controls... :doh:

[hands11]

Got any evidence of this, AJ, or are you reaching again to simply try and bash the organization?? You tell me to provide links, then you just leap out and make these bold statements?

Lavar is injured. Gibbs said they had to drain his knee again. They are easing him back into the lineup. Provide some evidence to the contrary, AJ, other than just pouring fuel on the fire with wild assumptions and reaches.

You're reaching, and I've got a suggestion for your avatar:

Go sell your anti-skins propaganda on DCZ, AJ, this board ain't buying.

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Man, bye weeks are tough to get threw. I guess in a day or 2 well be ok.

Back to the " does anyone else think" and " am I the only one" threads

[BrunellSuperbowl]

You're killing the pro-Brunell argument bro...

Ramsey threw 3 INTs vs. NY...granted not a good game, but 6???

they had 6 turnovers. It felt like Ramey had 6 ints.

[Ghost of]

I'm afraid the Ghost is correct...you strike me as a troll. Are you a Philly fan or a Cowboy fan?

Good God man, we're 2-0 with Brunell at the controls... :doh:

I never called him a troll.

I don't think AJ is a troll, he is just trying to make sense of some things and obsessing a bit over it. But he's a Skins fan.

The only troll on this thread is the guy who acts like a GD jerk to everyone else ALL THE TIME and makes up 'facts' as he goes along. Not AJ, not Jrock, not you, not me, not JimmiJo, not CHUBAKAH, not Park City--he knows who he is.

[PCS]

:whew: For a second there I was concerned.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

they had 6 turnovers. It felt like Ramey had 6 ints.

Nope.

Portis fumbled a couple times. Brunell either fumbled or threw an INT. Ramsey had 3 INTs.

No big deal man...it just lessens the impact of your point if people can prove there are factual errors in your posts.

BTW, I agree with you that the right guy is starting...my advice (since you didn't ask for it) is to take solace in the fact that we agree with the coach. You don't have to come on so strong and attack people who feel just as strongly that they are correct.

[BrunellSuperbowl]

Nope.

Portis fumbled a couple times. Brunell either fumbled or threw an INT. Ramsey had 3 INTs.

No big deal man...it just lessens the impact of your point if people can prove there are factual errors in your posts.

BTW, I agree with you that the right guy is starting...my advice (since you didn't ask for it) is to take solace in the fact that we agree with the coach. You don't have to come on so strong and attack people who feel just as strongly that they are correct.

that is not the point. The point is these guys are trolls. I do not really know who is better Ramsey or Brunell. I think they are both a joke and we need to get Campbell ready. But these trolls are coming in and saying Gibbs is making decesions because Brunell is like his son and all this crap. It is just ways to insult Gibbs as a man. Why did Gibbs play John Riggins ? Riggins is a prick and still is. But a great player. No coach in the world players the people they like over the best people. They make wrong decesions. But not on purpose.

[hands11]

If he can succeed elsewhere, why can't he succeed here? The only possible explanation under that scenario is that Gibbs has it in for him, and he won't get a shot here no matter what. Which is exactly what I said I suspected in the original post.

Gibbs cant afford to delay the progress of the whole offense and 51 other players while Ramsey figures out how not to throw stupid INTs in the redzone and get sacked so bad that he almost gets killed because he cant move in the pocket well.

Hes been getting sacked like this since college.

Even under Golfman, Mattews didnt get sacked like Ramsey.

He is a statue.

He can get better, but he need lots of reps and coaching to change his ways.

Like we worked with Rip. In a another year or 2, he may have corrected his problems. The idea that QB need to learn this in live games only came about because of the $$ they make, the odd talent of people like Marino, and the new athletic running of the new QBs which allows them to make it up while they learn. Ramsey doesnt have the athletic talent. Brunell at 35 can run better then him.

I remember when no rookie QB would ever start. Ramsey acts a lot like a rookie QB and in a sense, he is. He was never properly brought along. Let these guys coach him and he will be better for it.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

that is not the point. The point is these guys are trolls. I do not really know who is better Ramsey or Brunell. I think they are both a joke and we need to get Campbell ready. But these trolls are coming in and saying Gibbs is making decesions because Brunell is like his son and all this crap. It is just ways to insult Gibbs as a man. Why did Gibbs play John Riggins ? Riggins is a prick and still is. But a great player. No coach in the world players the people they like over the best people. They make wrong decesions. But not on purpose.

I don't agree with their opinions either. To me, Gibbs can make any decision he wants and I'm on board. He's earned that much leeway with me due to all the incredible seasons I got to watch growing up.

However, these guys are ALL Skins fans...not trolls. They wouldn't be so passionate about their points if they didn't think it was for the good of the franchise.

I'm pretty confident that if Brunell plays more like he did in the last 5 minutes than in the first 55 of the Dallas game, they will be all aboard for this season!

I just hope everyone enjoys the ride that is the season...it goes by so fast and then we have to wait for several more months!