We're Seeing a Pattern: Ramsey and Arrington

[paul55]

I don't think Ramsey and Arrington's situations are related. Ramsey had his chance. Ramsey's situation is the same as promoting someone at your job and realizing they were great at the previous position but can not excel at the new position. Gibbs made a mistake and corrected it right away. Turn the page I'm on board with Brunell.

Arrington: I think the coaching staff is being cautious. I try not to read the guys minds.

I'm cautiously optomistic this year. More optomistic though.

[sonofbutz]

LA will be back in when he is deemed 100% physically and mentally. Hopefully it will coincide with some points on the board from a revitalised O so he can be let off the leash. When that day comes he will inspire and set the level for some ball stealing/head stomping/QB humping action.

I don't expect him back until GW can see in his eyes that when he calls a play he can trust it will be implemented. Remember GW calls a play to set up stopping a drive over 4 downs. LA playstyle is to stop it in one. Hopefully LA can see that GW's calls work and fit within then bring his added zing to the table. Think chess and set up the killer move.

I'm interested in what happens when we get more than 14 in front. I bet GW has a bunch of plays that will utilise the individual talents of the players at his disposal...

He said "QB humping" is that a new term? in my dictionary YES!

[Gregpeck99]

I agree AJ ... somethin doesn't smell right and its the skill level of the players involved. Both LaVar and PR are not cutting it according to the guy who counts. I give Gibbs credit for being decisive and doing what he believes is best for the team. Thats why he gets the big bucks. The emotional ties to Arrington and Ramsey should be cut.

[PCS]

Tell ya what A.J. , one thing is for certain, you certainly know how to stir the pot around here. Not sure how good or bad that is, but you do it effectively.

[bulldog]

Marcus Washington has filled the shoes at LB that LaVar Arrington was supposed to fill.

Jason Campbell has been drafted to be the team's qb of the future, replacing Patrick Ramsey who at 26/27 is now a player at the crossroads of his career. He is no longer a 'young' player but neither is he is a savvy vet like Brunell. He is a guy that a team is going to have to take a chance on and put in the time, believing that the Redskins staff was wrong in its evaluation of his ability to play in the NFL.

Campbell has as strong or stronger arm, better mobility and a chance to work under a staff that is not going to rush him or truncate his learning process.

[LiveStrongSkins]

:jerk:

This thread is coming from the same person that said Gibbs picked Campbell because he wears #17 like Williams.

[Dweezel]

Except...he really doesn't make "less" mistakes. To be perfectly accurate...Brunell makes slightly, but only slightly fewer turnovers.

Interception, Fumble, Fumble. Gibbs knows what his players can do and he wants to win. He thinks that with a healthy Brunell he can win versus using Ramsey. Nothing we can do about it right now but watch and see what happens. The Skins could win 12 of the next 14 with Brunell, or Brunell could lose 5 straight. We have no clue. All we can do is sit back and wait.

[jimster]

if we can look past the conspiracy theories for a moment, here is what it appears to me.

- Lavar has been hurt and has barely even practiced in a year. He was just learning this system when he was hurt and subsequently shelved for the year. The approach they are taking with him is the same approach they are taking with Carlos Rogers - they're bringing him along slowly. As far as Williams is concerned, Lavar is practically a rookie - he has barely played and needs to have some bad habits broken. - I believe in the coming weeks he will be growing into a more and more predominant role.

- Patrick Ramsey is a real likable guy. That's why so many of us have defended him for so long. That's why its hard to swallow that he doesn't appear to be getting any better. The decision to bench him isn't based on the fact that Gibbs just doesn't like him, its based on what he has been seeing every day since last season ended, and that is that Patrick IS NOT getting any better. Brunell was in there too long last year, seeing he was playing with an injury that hindered his production, but now that he is healthier, Gibbs feels safer with him in there. Last year is last year. Brunell is better, Ramsey is not. - As far as the lack of success the first 3 quarters in our last game, I put that more on the play-calling and O-line than Brunell.

As some one else mentioned, let's just enjoy that fact that the season is here and hopefully we'll soon see why what's being done is being done.:logo:

[AJ_Skins]

Something that comes to mind...one of the assistant coaches, Greg Blache I think, said something like "Joe Gibbs is the most prideful coach I've ever worked with". That's what this kind of seems like...pride. Like, "I'll show you who's the boss around here". Like I said, that's fine to a point, with players who are malcontents...but these guys don't deserve that much of a cold shoulder.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

if we can look past the conspiracy theories for a moment, here is what it appears to me.

- Lavar has been hurt and has barely even practiced in a year. He was just learning this system when he was hurt and subsequently shelved for the year. The approach they are taking with him is the same approach they are taking with Carlos Rogers - they're bringing him along slowly. As far as Williams is concerned, Lavar is practically a rookie - he has barely played and needs to have some bad habits broken. - I believe in the coming weeks he will be growing into a more and more predominant role.

- Patrick Ramsey is a real likable guy. That's why so many of us have defended him for so long. That's why its hard to swallow that he doesn't appear to be getting any better. The decision to bench him isn't based on the fact that Gibbs just doesn't like him, its based on what he has been seeing every day since last season ended, and that is that Patrick IS NOT getting any better. Brunell was in there too long last year, seeing he was playing with an injury that hindered his production, but now that he is healthier, Gibbs feels safer with him in there. Last year is last year. Brunell is better, Ramsey is not. - As far as the lack of success the first 3 quarters in our last game, I put that more on the play-calling and O-line than Brunell.

As some one else mentioned, let's just enjoy that fact that the season is here and hopefully we'll soon see why what's being done is being done.:logo:

Good post bulldog. I agree with you that we need to focus on this year, and the fact that Gibbs stuck with Brunell for too long last year has nothing to do with this year.

It was me, by the way, who mentioned we should enjoy the season. I just know we'll have plenty of time to debate QBs when there's nothing else to talk about in April...for now, we're 2-0 and coming home to a fired up crowd in an attempt to get to 3-0!

[AJ_Skins]

:jerk:

This thread is coming from the same person that said Gibbs picked Campbell because he wears #17 like Williams.

Not only that, but Doug Williams said (before the draft) that Jason Campbell was the best QB in the draft...and he was the ONLY one saying it.

[jimster]

Good post bulldog. I agree with you that we need to focus on this year, and the fact that Gibbs stuck with Brunell for too long last year has nothing to do with this year.

It was me, by the way, who mentioned we should enjoy the season. I just know we'll have plenty of time to debate QBs when there's nothing else to talk about in April...for now, we're 2-0 and coming home to a fired up crowd in an attempt to get to 3-0!

Thanks, but I'm not Bulldog.

[ZoEd]

if we can look past the conspiracy theories for a moment, here is what it appears to me.

- Lavar has been hurt and has barely even practiced in a year. He was just learning this system when he was hurt and subsequently shelved for the year. The approach they are taking with him is the same approach they are taking with Carlos Rogers - they're bringing him along slowly. As far as Williams is concerned, Lavar is practically a rookie - he has barely played and needs to have some bad habits broken. - I believe in the coming weeks he will be growing into a more and more predominant role.

- Patrick Ramsey is a real likable guy. That's why so many of us have defended him for so long. That's why its hard to swallow that he doesn't appear to be getting any better. The decision to bench him isn't based on the fact that Gibbs just doesn't like him, its based on what he has been seeing every day since last season ended, and that is that Patrick IS NOT getting any better. Brunell was in there too long last year, seeing he was playing with an injury that hindered his production, but now that he is healthier, Gibbs feels safer with him in there. Last year is last year. Brunell is better, Ramsey is not. - As far as the lack of success the first 3 quarters in our last game, I put that more on the play-calling and O-line than Brunell.

As some one else mentioned, let's just enjoy that fact that the season is here and hopefully we'll soon see why what's being done is being done.:logo:

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Very good post. I too was sore that Gibbs benched PR in game one considering he let Brunell play 9 games last season. However your post has helped me put this whole QB contraversy to rest, thank you.

I agree with everything you said 100% and pray to god that Bruisenell is good enough to get us in the playoffs. The play calling does seem to be quite conservative and I think we need to start opening it up a lot more for us to succeed. Thanks Jimster

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Thanks, but I'm not Bulldog.

:laugh:

Wow, that's odd. Maybe he's got the same avatar??

I sure hope so or I have no excuse for that one...

[jimster]

Something that comes to mind...one of the assistant coaches, Greg Blache I think, said something like "Joe Gibbs is the most prideful coach I've ever worked with". That's what this kind of seems like...pride. Like, "I'll show you who's the boss around here". Like I said, that's fine to a point, with players who are malcontents...but these guys don't deserve that much of a cold shoulder.

I think you must be confusing Joe Gibbs with someone else. - I think Blache meant "pride" in the sense of pride for the Redskins organization and it's fans, not in the sense of "I'll show YOU who's boss".

[Dweezel]

I hope that as the timing between Brunell and the receivers starts to shore up, the more aggressive the calling will become.

[AJ_Skins]

if we can look past the conspiracy theories for a moment, here is what it appears to me.

- Lavar has been hurt and has barely even practiced in a year. He was just learning this system when he was hurt and subsequently shelved for the year. The approach they are taking with him is the same approach they are taking with Carlos Rogers - they're bringing him along slowly. As far as Williams is concerned, Lavar is practically a rookie - he has barely played and needs to have some bad habits broken. - I believe in the coming weeks he will be growing into a more and more predominant role.

We'll see. If that's what it is, it seems nobody told LaVar.

- Patrick Ramsey is a real likable guy. That's why so many of us have defended him for so long. That's why its hard to swallow that he doesn't appear to be getting any better. The decision to bench him isn't based on the fact that Gibbs just doesn't like him, its based on what he has been seeing every day since last season ended, and that is that Patrick IS NOT getting any better. Brunell was in there too long last year, seeing he was playing with an injury that hindered his production, but now that he is healthier, Gibbs feels safer with him in there. Last year is last year. Brunell is better, Ramsey is not.

9 games. Brunell stunk it up for 9 games. Worse than Ramsey has EVER played in a Redskins uniform. Ramsey got one quarter. I just don't buy it.

- As far as the lack of success the first 3 quarters in our last game, I put that more on the play-calling and O-line than Brunell.

Right...but Ramsey had a different line and different play-calling, right?

[Dweezel]

Think about it this way, at least Gibbs isn't digging his old players from the 80's up to play for him.

[BrunellSuperbowl]

this AJ skins guy is not a skins fan. He is a depressed guy who tried to make people get depressed with him. Its sad. These guys call radio stations , post on message boards and spew crap because they are depressed in there daily lives. Man get of extremeskins forum. (EXTREMESKINS) Depression is a sad thing. People do not want to be happy. They just want to make others misrable because they are. GO TO YOUR COWBOY FORUM.

[Thiebear]

What do you mean no respect? It's not a matter of respect or no respect. It's a matter of trying to understand what's going on here, because something doesn't smell right.

Dude! after going through 24 pages of your posts... At no point in time have you given Brunell a chance or given up on Ramsey... Kinda like my signature..

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BUT: Brunell Helped beat Dallas... That is a 6 on the scale to 10 all by itself..

He did it by throwing 2 long passes and running his arse off..

Give him 2 weeks before you trash him again..

[AJ_Skins]

I think you must be confusing Joe Gibbs with someone else. - I think Blache meant "pride" in the sense of pride for the Redskins organization and it's fans, not in the sense of "I'll show YOU who's boss".

Pride is pride...pride goes before a fall, and a haughty spirt before destruction. I didn't say it, Blache did.

[bulldog]

the bottom line is the defense is near the top of the rankings without Arrington and Brunell threw for 291 yards and 2 touchdowns last week, numbers that Patrick Ramsey would likely not have come close to................... smile, it's okay, the team is WINNING games, that means the staff is putting the right players on the field

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Right...but Ramsey had a different line and different play-calling, right?

Since you're so big on last year...I don't recall Ramsey doing any better vs. the Cowboys during his "magical" late-season run last year...

19/29 for 158 yds 1/2

Seems pretty pedestrian to me.

[AJ_Skins]

this AJ skins guy is not a skins fan. He is a depressed guy who tried to make people get depressed with him. Its sad. These guys call radio stations , post on message boards and spew crap because they are depressed in there daily lives. Man get of extremeskins forum. (EXTREMESKINS) Depression is a sad thing. People do not want to be happy. They just want to make others misrable because they are. GO TO YOUR COWBOY FORUM.

:no:

[BrunellSuperbowl]

AJSKINS. POOR PATRICK. I HOPE U GO FEED HIM MILK and cookies. I FEEL SO BAD FOR HIM. NOBODY LIKES HIM. Spurrier and Gibbs were out to get him. ALL HE NEEDED WAS A CHANCE TO THROW 5 INTERCEPTIONS A GAME FOR A FULL SEASON. And if he got hurt in the season that doesn ot count. WE HAVE TO WATCH HIM STINK FOR 16 GAMES. YOU KNOW WHY? Because Patrick Ramsey is the only QB in the world that can be a star.With his special talents.

Shut the hell up. Nobody gives a damn if Ramsey can throw a hail mary. He was never good on any level. He was never a bluechip prospect. He bearly made it in the first round (only because Snyder liked his arm) He has done nothing in the pros in 4 yrs. He gets beat out by QBs that are not even that good. Im tired of Ramsey fans

It is almost like because Ramsey looks like a little innocent boy , his fans try to treat him like he is 16. He is not going to become a superstar. He might win games but what you see is what you get