TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The problem with that is, based on both of their reactions, he hasn't let them in on his reasons either. Maybe he has. I hope so. I am almost positive Gibbs discussed Ramsey's demotion with him before doing it. Even to the point where he and Musgrave mapped out what Ramsey had to improve upon. Jansen mentioned this in an interview and so did Gibbs. As for Lavar, I'm not sure if Williams has discussed the limited role with him at this point, but his situation is a bit different since he's coming off an injury and is getting some playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Guess so. Or, you know, common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Uh huh...one simple question...why did Brunell get 9 games last year and Ramsey only got one quarter? Because Gibbs thinks Brunell is the better QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezel Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The one thing that people said about Gibbs when he first came back (and I was too young to really remember this back in the first era) is that he will chew out his players in private and not become a media junkie like other coaches. Gibbs is a classy guy. If he has an issue he will tell you, but not in front of the media. The latter is like being brought to the front of the classroom and having to do something embarassing when you were younger. It is disrespectful and makes the players hate the coaching staff more. Just because we don't hear about it, does not mean things are not being discussed. I also feel that GW is taking his time with LaVar because of the knee injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarb Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 What do you mean no respect? It's not a matter of respect or no respect. It's a matter of trying to understand what's going on here, because something doesn't smell right. Been reading your posts today. Coach Gibbs has no obligation to tell you what's going on. This isn't like watching the World Series of Poker where you can see the hole cards. Information is a very valuable commodity and if everything is spelled out to you the fan, then guess what? The entire freaking league can see your hand. Be a fan. Root for your team. Learn to read between the lines and try to understand the coach-speak. That's the best you can hope for until we're down the road a ways and the true story can safely come out without hurting the effort to win a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 Because Gibbs thinks Brunell is the better QB... That's simply impossible. Anybody with eyes can see what Brunell is at this stage of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 Been reading your posts today. Coach Gibbs has no obligation to tell you what's going on. This isn't like watching the World Series of Poker where you can see the hole cards. Information is a very valuable commodity and if everything is spelled out to you the fan, then guess what? The entire freaking league can see your hand.Be a fan. Root for your team. Learn to read between the lines and try to understand the coach-speak. That's the best you can hope for until we're down the road a ways and the true story can safely come out without hurting the effort to win a championship. I keep coming back to the same thing...Brunell got 9 games last year. 9 games of the worst football I've ever seen a quarterback play. And outside of the last 5 minutes against Dallas, he's been almost as bad this year. LaVar is on the radio practically crying...same thing with Ramsey after the Bears game. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 That's simply impossible. Anybody with eyes can see what Brunell is at this stage of his career. You're right, anyone with eyes can see that he's a QB with an 87.2 rating and leading his team to a 2-0 mark at this point. Maybe you'd prefer Ramsey's magical 74.8 rating (and 3-4 record) from last season. I know, I know...Brunell was worse last year...well it's 2005 now and that's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 That's simply impossible. Anybody with eyes can see what Brunell is at this stage of his career. omg dude...You really think Gibbs is starting a QB whom he thinks is worse???????? :doh: :doh: :doh: One simple question: Why do you think Gibbs benched Ramsey for Brunell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autographcollector Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I keep coming back to the same thing...Brunell got 9 games last year. 9 games of the worst football I've ever seen a quarterback play. And outside of the last 5 minutes against Dallas, he's been almost as bad this year. Can't say I don't disagree. For everyone here who defends Brunell we will see...but he stinks except for two passes. But I thought Ramsey stunk too, and even his best friend John Jaansen said Ramsey was progressing on some thinks in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarb Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I keep coming back to the same thing...Brunell got 9 games last year. 9 games of the worst football I've ever seen a quarterback play. And outside of the last 5 minutes against Dallas, he's been almost as bad this year. LaVar is on the radio practically crying...same thing with Ramsey after the Bears game. I don't get it. Exactly. You don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I keep coming back to the same thing...Brunell got 9 games last year. 9 games of the worst football I've ever seen a quarterback play. And outside of the last 5 minutes against Dallas, he's been almost as bad this year. LaVar is on the radio practically crying...same thing with Ramsey after the Bears game. I don't get it. This isn't CYO league...QBs are guaranteed playing time. Brunell does more of what the coaches want...period. If Gibbs and Co. were able to determine that in one quarter, that's life. If Ramsey was as smart as people say, he'd have altered his game a little done what the staff asked of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 You're right, anyone with eyes can see that he's a QB with an 87.2 rating and leading his team to a 2-0 mark at this point. Maybe you'd prefer Ramsey's magical 74.8 rating (and 3-4 record) from last season. I know, I know...Brunell was worse last year...well it's 2005 now and that's all that matters. A total of 23 points in seven quarters of play, two wins against teams with losing records last year. 2-0 is better than 0-2, but it still doesn't mean much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autographcollector Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 You're right, anyone with eyes can see that he's a QB with an 87.2 rating and leading his team to a 2-0 mark at this point. Maybe you'd prefer Ramsey's magical 74.8 rating (and 3-4 record) from last season. I know, I know...Brunell was worse last year...well it's 2005 now and that's all that matters. Except Brunells rating is misleading this year. The best part of this argument, we will know more each week!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 You've made your point, AJ. Brunell is done and Gibbs is wrong to play him and must be crazy and/or simply hate Ramsey, who could be Favre in his prime if just given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Granted, LaVar made some ill-advised waves with some of his comments after his injury and with the contract dispute, and Ramsey has had some issues in his play, but both of them now seem to be on the outs with the staff on some deeper level...as if a decision has been made to "weed them out", and nothing they do is going to change it. Say what you want about Ramsey, but he has never played as poorly as Brunell did last year. Brunell got 9 games to ruin our season, Ramsey got one quarter, and then Gibbs got his "chance" to yank him for Brunell and did it. LaVar seems to be being punished, and in both cases, the staff is sending a message that seems to be "go screw yourselves". Both of these guys were first round draft picks. Unlike the other malcontents that drifted off, these guys have been great Redskins. Got any evidence of this, AJ, or are you reaching again to simply try and bash the organization?? You tell me to provide links, then you just leap out and make these bold statements? Lavar is injured. Gibbs said they had to drain his knee again. They are easing him back into the lineup. Provide some evidence to the contrary, AJ, other than just pouring fuel on the fire with wild assumptions and reaches. You're reaching, and I've got a suggestion for your avatar: Go sell your anti-skins propaganda on DCZ, AJ, this board ain't buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 omg dude...You really think Gibbs is starting a QB whom he thinks is worse???????? :doh: :doh: :doh: One simple question: Why do you think Gibbs benched Ramsey for Brunell? That's the million dollar question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 Got any evidence of this, AJ, or are you reaching again to simply try and bash the organization?? You tell me to provide links, then you just leap out and make these bold statements?Lavar is injured. Gibbs said they had to drain his knee again. They are easing him back into the lineup. Provide some evidence to the contrary, AJ, other than just pouring fuel on the fire with wild assumptions and reaches. Go sell your anti-skins propaganda on DCZ, AJ, this board ain't buying. "Anti-skins propaganda"...lol. Like I said, I just want to understand what's going on here. I thought we were allowed discussions on a message board. If it pisses you off, maybe it's because it has the ring of truth to it...I fully admit this is speculation, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezel Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Brunell makes less mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 "Anti-skins propaganda"...lol. Like I said, I just want to understand what's going on here. I thought we were allowed discussions on a message board. But that's the thing. You make posts asking to understand "what is going on" here. Several people come in and give you their speculation as to why Gibbs is doing what he's doing. They give you numbers, records, etc. to back up their points. You then rant about Brunell and blindly disagree. So, it doesn't seem that you actually want to understand what is going on, it seems that you simply want to argue your point that Ramsey should be starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 Brunell makes less mistakes. Except...he really doesn't make "less" mistakes. To be perfectly accurate...Brunell makes slightly, but only slightly fewer turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon T. Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Ramsey and Arrington are two completely different situations. I like Ramsey and expect him to succeed elsewhere--the extent of his success will be determined by the players and coaches he is surrounded by. But I have no problem with Gibbs turning things over to an apparently healthy Mark Brunnell. (Anyone who thinks that Brunnell's success this year would vindicate them advocating for him last year is just delusional. He is not the same player!) Gibbs needs to figure out how to make things work with Arrington once he is healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Except...he really doesn't make "less" mistakes. To be perfectly accurate...Brunell makes slightly, but only slightly fewer turnovers. So where was the error in what he posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 I like Ramsey and expect him to succeed elsewhere--the extent of his success will be determined by the players and coaches he is surrounded by. If he can succeed elsewhere, why can't he succeed here? The only possible explanation under that scenario is that Gibbs has it in for him, and he won't get a shot here no matter what. Which is exactly what I said I suspected in the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Sway Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Think it's clear that Joe wants a solvent team, one with 'his' players . . . and if Battlecat is too proicey - and our #4 LB on the depth chart - this may just be a sign of things to come. But I love both those guys. Would be a shame to lose LA. All I know is that everyone here in NY is hoping P Rams comes up north to play in green again. I know it would make watching the Jets a much more exciting option . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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