doubledeuce Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Wonder what lav coles is thinking right about now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham94 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 LMAO. First of all, get real skins fans. The trade value for Patrick Ramsey right now is a 3rd round pick, but if a team was desperate you could probably get a second rounder. Patrick Ramsey is not viewed as a potential franchise QB, which is the only way you would get a first rounder for him, but instead he is viewed as a stopgap backup QB who could start on a few teams(mainly the Jets since Pennington and Fiedler are hurt). As of right now though, we are going to give Brooks Bollinger the chance to start(for at least 2-3 games) and if he shows us that he can play at this level he will remain starter and if not, we will hand the offense over to Vinny Testaverde, who we signed as our backup quarterback this morning. Herm Edwards also said that we are working out a few quarterbacks this afternoon and will sign one of them to be our #3 Quarterback tonight, so we are not looking for a trade anymore apparantly. It is true that the Jets called the Redskins about Ramsey, but they also called about 24 other NFL teams with a half decent backup quarterback, so because we called you doesnt make us desperate and that were gonna gladly unload Abraham for Patrick Ramsey :laugh: :laugh: John Abraham is going to be signed to a long term deal with the Jets this offseason so keep dreaming about the thought of having him, cause it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 LMAO.First of all, get real skins fans. The trade value for Patrick Ramsey right now is a 3rd round pick, but if a team was desperate you could probably get a second rounder. Patrick Ramsey is not viewed as a potential franchise QB, which is the only way you would get a first rounder for him, but instead he is viewed as a stopgap backup QB who could start on a few teams(mainly the Jets since Pennington and Fiedler are hurt). As of right now though, we are going to give Brooks Bollinger the chance to start(for at least 2-3 games) and if he shows us that he can play at this level he will remain starter and if not, we will hand the offense over to Vinny Testaverde, who we signed as our backup quarterback this morning. Herm Edwards also said that we are working out a few quarterbacks this afternoon and will sign one of them to be our #3 Quarterback tonight, so we are not looking for a trade anymore apparantly. It is true that the Jets called the Redskins about Ramsey, but they also called about 24 other NFL teams with a half decent backup quarterback, so because we called you doesnt make us desperate and that were gonna gladly unload Abraham for Patrick Ramsey :laugh: :laugh: John Abraham is going to be signed to a long term deal with the Jets this offseason so keep dreaming about the thought of having him, cause it will never happen. But wait, haven't you heard that Ramsey is head and shoulders better than Brunell and should be starting for the Redskins? If he were in there, they'd have no trouble scoring on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The Jets are over a barrel. If we're going to make a move with him I say do it. either way, we knew he was out of here next offseason, and Campbell is the future. Now is a time that the iron is hot, as the say. Strike. If the worst happens and Brunel gets hurt, I'd say go with Campbell. The downside of course is it leaves our butts out in the wind if Brunell gets hurt with a potential playoff spot or other significant thing on the horizon, and then we're faced with going for it with a rookie. But the potential for reward over risk is highest now when it comes to a deal for Ramsey. The Jets are hurting and in a deperate situation at QB. I say take their phone call. See what they have to say. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 This is all about posturing and value.Of COURSE we said no. But we dint say "Dont call again". If the Jets offer the right package, Ramsey is gone. It's sill y to deny that fact. Now, that PACKAGE might be way higher than any team is worth paying, but there certainly IS a price for which he can be obtained. my dad always told me "everything is for sale in this world, it's just a matter of price". So I agree with you in princible, but I do think that Gibbs does not want rid of Ramsey. They probably offered a 3rd rounder. :jerk: Another question for everyone, though I'm not sure it warrants a new thread... How does Gibbs' refusal to deal Ramsey weigh on Jason Campbell's development? If JC was impressing coaches, really grasping things in practice, do you think Ramsey would be gone already? Could this be a bad sign for JC's development in practice? curious everyone's thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 We'd be getting above average trade value for PR...It would be irresponsible for the future of the franchise not to tarde him in my opinion. Sign a vet back-up and get Campbell more snaps in practice. Let's face it, Campbell may not be 100% ready but is Ramsey a sure commodity either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 How does Gibbs' refusal to deal Ramsey weigh on Jason Campbell's development? If JC was impressing coaches, really grasping things in practice, do you think Ramsey would be gone already? Could this be a bad sign for JC's development in practice? curious everyone's thoughts. I don't think this has anything to do with Campbell. At this point, it's about getting good value for a first-round pick. Also, the Jets need to make it worth our while to part with a veteran QB who knows the offense. Campbell could look great, but that still doesn't mean you cut ties with one of 3 guys who could be your QB this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 We wouldn't get us much for him then, since he will be a FA. He'll be aa FA after the end of next season, not this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Gibbs always wants to have 2 solid QB's on the roster Just the way he does thing Unless the Jets blow us away, Ramsey is here for this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 He'll be aa FA after the end of next season, not this one. Nice, thanks for the clarification Then we can get something good for him in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Geeze guys, it's a long season... a lot can happen in 14 games (see, Tom Brady 2001 Patriots). I don't agree that Gibbs has written off Ramsey. Yes, Patrick has been on a short leash, but I don't think we can draw the conclusion that Gibbs has completely written him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 all it takes is one hit..... ask Joey T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Ramsey for Coles straight up. Oh wait, nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I like Ramsey a lot, but he does NOT have better physical tools than Campbell in the slightest. Campbell has as good an arm, better touch and far more athleticism. He's also taller. Mentally we don't know where he'll be much as we know Ramsey isn't where you'd like him to be as far as instincts. Based on what I've seen of Campbell, which is admittedly not much, Ramsey is much better throwing the ball. In terms of both arm strength and precision, Ramsey is one of the better QBs I've seen come along in the league in a long time. The problem in his case is mental, but based on Campbell's dismal Wonderlic score, Ramsey probably has him there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 In terms of both arm strength and precision, Ramsey is one of the better QBs I've seen come along in the league in a long time. Precision? The knock on Ramsey all the way back to his College days has been his touch and precision. We haven't really seen much in the NFL that has shown he has taken care of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Based on what I've seen of Campbell, which is admittedly not much, Ramsey is much better throwing the ball. In terms of both arm strength and precision, Ramsey is one of the better QBs I've seen come along in the league in a long time. The problem in his case is mental, but based on Campbell's dismal Wonderlic score, Ramsey probably has him there too. I am counting the days until you launch your new website: ExtremeRamsey.com You really think that Ramsey is one of the better QBs that have come into the league in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Precision? The knock on Ramsey all the way back to his College days has been his touch and precision. We haven't really seen much in the NFL that has shown he has taken care of that. Ramsey can, on occasion, squeeze the ball in between defenders down the field like few QBs in the league. The problem is that that leads him to think he can make throws he can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 My dad always told me "everything is for sale in this world, it's just a matter of price". Is this him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy City Skins fan Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 We shouldn't trade Ramsey. I mean, the jury is still kinda out on Brunell this season as well, right? 5 minutes of accurate long-ball and a Dallas win, albeit better than anything Ramsey has done, still leaves questions about the QB play. I hope Brunell and the offense answers those definitively for the rest of the season, but that position is still considered our weakness and until it is no longer truly seen that way, then Ramsey stays as a veteran back-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 You really think that Ramsey is one of the better QBs that have come into the league in a long time. Not as a whole. There are different elements to playing QB. The element where I think Ramsey is exceptional is in the pure area of throwing a football. If you put a cardboard target with a bullseye on it 70 yards down the field, no defense, no pressure, I'd put a bet on Ramsey to hit it over most QBs in the league. There is much more to being successful as an NFL QB, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I like Ramsey a lot, but he does NOT have better physical tools than Campbell in the slightest. Campbell has as good an arm, better touch and far more athleticism. He's also taller. Mentally we don't know where he'll be much as we know Ramsey isn't where you'd like him to be as far as instincts. I agree with Art. Ramsey has a good amount of upside but Campbell brings more physical tools to the table. He is quicker on his feet and can move around in the pocket, he can throw the deep ball, and is just an all around better athlete then Patrick. If they were both in the draft and you have had one draft pick to burn, you'd take Jason every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Ramsey can, on occasion, squeeze the ball in between defenders down the field like few QBs in the league. The problem is that that leads him to think he can make throws he can't. That is exactly why Coach Gibbs yanked him. He believes his arm strength can make up for his prescision and timing. He believes that if he delivers a pass late and slightly off-target, his arm strength can make up for it. Rather than have someone who takes the gunslinger attitude, Coach Gibbs wants a QB who does what he is trained to do in order to run this Offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Based on what I've seen of Campbell, which is admittedly not much, Ramsey is much better throwing the ball. In terms of both arm strength and precision, Ramsey is one of the better QBs I've seen come along in the league in a long time. The problem in his case is mental, but based on Campbell's dismal Wonderlic score, Ramsey probably has him there too. Ramsey's arm is one of the top 5 in the league (Sonny's observation) PR's wonderlic score = 32.........JC's 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I look for poise and accuracy when it comes to qbs. Ramsey is accurate on intermediate routes when his first read is open. He has no accuracy on his deep ball -- bad playcalling or not, I can't remember the last time I saw him complete a bomb. And he has no poise. The beating he took under Spurrier made sure of that. I liked Campbell in college. Was very accurate and always looked calm. In preseason, he looked very poised (of course it was against scrubs) and threw a couple great balls. His passes seem a lot more catchable than PR's, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Campbell's wonderlic score was 28 (the second time he took it). And PR may have book smarts, but his football smarts are questionable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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