The Sisko Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I know we’re all still swooning over the win over the pukes. However, I’m still not convinced about the capacity of our offense to consistently move the ball and score. Our team really is just an average/fair offensive coordinator away from being in the SB. Therefore, just for fun I decided to look around the league at guys we might consider hiring as an offensive coordinator in the upcoming offseason. In no particular order my short list would include the guys below: Zampese Gilbride Wyche Johnson Weis Of all of them, Weis would obviously be my first choice. However he’s also probably the least likely to leave his current job. This is a case where I’d love to see Snyder gas up the jet, open his wallet big time and "get 'er done". Even assuming we'd have no shot at Weis, I think any of these guys would improve our offense immensely and would be a much better option to mentor our young QB of the future. Unfortunately the list is a short one. My search seemed to confirm a growing opinion of mine. That is, that offense is an increasingly difficult commodity to come by in the NFL…unlike defense. I base this on the fact that there are a fair number of position coaches in the NFL that were formerly good defensive coordinators(Greg Blache for example…and yes, I know his job title with us is “defensive coordinator”). However, on the other side of the ball a lot of the guys I was interested in (Russ Grimm for example) have been locked up by being named Asst. HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAbrendan Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Let's wait a few more games before we start judging the progress of the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Let's wait a few more games before we start judging the progress of the offense. I agree. First of all, let's see what happens if/when Gibbs takes the playcalling duties away from Jack Burns,who at present, is the primary play caller. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 I understand your position. However, our offense sux, period. It's not developing, sputtering, behind the defense or any of those other things that describe offenses early in the season. It just sux, period. The major variable I wonder about is whether the play calling (to use the term loosely) is a result of having Brunell in the lineup. Unless Brunell is in fact the problem, I don't see any reason not to cut our losses and bring in a guy that can at least improve us to mediocre. However I suspect that with the speed and talent we have, most of the guys I named could at least get us into the upper middle of the pack offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 So you don't think we will more downfield shots this next game against Seattle and perhaps a vastly improved running game just from the threat of the long ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 Good point Neophyte. The short answer is only Gibbs knows the answer to that question. However I suspect he'll continue to want to just run the ball and dink and dunk expecting that teams will now respect our deep passing game. I don't think that's the case. If we don't at least go deep a few times each week teams will continue to sell out to stop the run and dare us to go deep. I don't think this is the week it hurts us though. The Seahags are a soft team, especially away from home, so I think we beat them in spite of our offensive shortcomings. However, down the road we're going to need a competent offense if we expect to get anywhere. Right now we just don't have that. Our defense can only win so many games for us by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Montana Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Many talented offensive minds can be found around the league, you just have to look in less obvious places. While established OC's might be locked up with the Assistant HC tag (ie. Russ Grimm), there are many talented offensive minds to be found among the ranks of offensive position coaches (ie. QB coaches, etc.). The thing to do is to steal these position coaches away from the top offensive teams in the league. These coaches are almost always looking for a promotion and a chance to take that next step in their coaching careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 If you're looking for a new offensive coordinator... Where does that leave Gibbs. Gregg is basically completely in charge of the defense, and with a new offensive coordinator calling all of the shots, that just leaves Gibbs to do the motivational speaches before the games and manage time slots of when players practice and when they have shower time. We won't be getting a new offensive coordinator until Gibbs steps down and Gregg steps up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 That's exactly where I was looking Danny Montana. Hiring an OC from another team would be a lateral transfer so QB coaches are pretty much our only/best option. As for hiring an OC making Gibbs defunct that's silly. Plenty of teams have HCs with both OCs and DCs...most notably the Tuna. Also, don't forget Gibbs serves as our team Prez. as well. Besides, he's always been a guy who will do what's best for the team. I'd think he'd be willing to bench himself just like he benched Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adarsh1 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 how about russell grimm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The future is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Kenzo Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Our offense is not that bad. We move the ball but they always seem to stall out. I mean, we gain yards but we just can't seem to score in the red zone. When it comes down to it, points are what people look at. We have been waiting for the future for too long...it is time that we start seeing some results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousD Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 This offense is still struggling to find its feet. We have a running game with Portis and Betts and we have legit deep threats with Moss, Jacobs and Patten. We have a short passing game (doesn't everyone?). What we don't have and what everything seems to hinge on now is an intermediate game. This was/is the argument against having too many small receivers and no big possetion types. Where are the guys who can muscle with the big boys for the tough yards? Cooley was invisible Monday night. Royal was game but lacks speed enough to threaten anyone. This was supposed to be McCants territory of course, but he's history. I know we "trust in Gibbs" and all that but watching Patten go to the mat while trying to catch balls rather than get hit on 3rd and long is not gonna cut it. This offense is sorely lacking a possetion receiver. Plain and simple. Maybe Cooley can be the guy. We need to find out. Gibbs must move him around and start feeding him the ball. Thrash has the hands and the cajones but size again is a question. Taylor Jacobs? NAHHH! Mike Williams? Er, wait. He's in Detroit. Ah, well. Looks like you're IT Mr Cooley! :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 This offense is still struggling to find its feet. We have a running game with Portis and Betts and we have legit deep threats with Moss, Jacobs and Patten. We have a short passing game (doesn't everyone?). What we don't have and what everything seems to hinge on now is an intermediate game.This was/is the argument against having too many small receivers and no big possetion types. Where are the guys who can muscle with the big boys for the tough yards? Cooley was invisible Monday night. Royal was game but lacks speed enough to threaten anyone. This was supposed to be McCants territory of course, but he's history. I know we "trust in Gibbs" and all that but watching Patten go to the mat while trying to catch balls rather than get hit on 3rd and long is not gonna cut it. This offense is sorely lacking a possetion receiver. Plain and simple. Maybe Cooley can be the guy. We need to find out. Gibbs must move him around and start feeding him the ball. Thrash has the hands and the cajones but size again is a question. Taylor Jacobs? NAHHH! Mike Williams? Er, wait. He's in Detroit. Ah, well. Looks like you're IT Mr Cooley! :helmet: Colley is enough of a threat that williams bit on his underneath route twice on both of our TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 how about russell grimm? :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The only way Charlie Weis comes back to the NFL is with a head-coach hat on. Especially if he does well at Notre Dame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 We don't need a "possession" receiver. Our personel are fine. I even think our system is fine. Brunell had Patten open on intermediate routes a couple of times Monday and just missed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 For those of you who brought him up, Grimm isn't happening either. He's one of the first guys I looked at but the Steelers locked him up by naming him Asst. HC. Therefore, he's not coming here unless he's named HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 :obvious: The problem is not the offensive system or the play calling. The problem is Brunell. The ONLY way we go to the playoffs this year is if Ramsey steps up. I've been saying it since the preseason, and it's as true now as it was then. Doesn't matter how many message board Nazis don't want to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 :obvious:The problem is not the offensive system or the play calling. The problem is Brunell. The ONLY way we go to the playoffs this year is if Ramsey steps up. I've been saying it since the preseason, and it's as true now as it was then. Doesn't matter how many message board Nazis don't want to accept it. I just don't see it. Both of them seem to have a down side and an upside, at least since Brunell apprears to have rediscovered that he has a throwing arm. That being the case, either should be able to get us to the playoffs. While I have not been the biggest Brunell supporter dating back to the day we traded for him, I don't think Ramsey would have won the Dallas game for us last week so pining for Ramsey does not make a lot of sense to me right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I just don't see it. Both of them seem to have a down side and an upside, at least since Brunell apprears to have rediscovered that he has a throwing arm. That being the case, either should be able to get us to the playoffs.While I have not been the biggest Brunell supporter dating back to the day we traded for him, I don't think Ramsey would have won the Dallas game for us last week so pining for Ramsey does not make a lot of sense to me right now. Nobody knows what Ramsey would have done in that game. To say otherwise is BS. There would have been no need for a miracle comeback if the offense hadn't been so pathetic for the first 55 minutes of the game. Ramsey marched the offense down the field from his own end zone against the Bears (better defense than the Cowboys), had a TD pass to Cooley called back on a bogus penalty, and then got knocked out of the game on the next play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Let's wait a few more games before we start judging the progress of the offense. why are we willing to let Brunell play for a few games, but when Ramsey was taken out after 1 quarter everyone said he had his chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 why are we willing to let Brunell play for a few games, but when Ramsey was taken out after 1 quarter everyone said he had his chance? Because "1 quarter" was really the entire preseason and that one quarter. These same arguments get stale and old. Brunell deserves to be in there, he's outplayed Ramsey from July 31 on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 why are we willing to let Brunell play for a few games, but when Ramsey was taken out after 1 quarter everyone said he had his chance? Whoa now...don't try to insert logic into the thinking at extremeskins.com. That's heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Because "1 quarter" was really the entire preseason and that one quarter. These same arguments get stale and old. Brunell deserves to be in there, he's outplayed Ramsey from July 31 on... Bull ***. Brunell played against scrubs in the preseason, and he's been pathetic in the first two games except for a couple of passes and a run against Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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