scottefisher Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Could someone please explain to me how Lance Briggs who viciously clotheslines Patrick Ramsey, doesn't get Penalized and doesn't get fined. But the Falcons defended who put a nice hard hit on Donovan McNabb does get fined. That's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Briggs was actually in the air when he made that tackle. It really wasn't intentional. It was vicious, but not intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZkinsFan Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Could someone please explain to me how Lance Briggs who viciously clotheslines Patrick Ramsey, doesn't get Penalized and doesn't get fined. But the Falcons defended who put a nice hard hit on Donovan McNabb does get fined. That's crap. I was wondering about this too.....when it comes to nfl justice from the office to the zebras there is DEFINATELY a bias to be anti skins......dont believe me? lets make a list? its appauling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZkinsFan Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Briggs was actually in the air when he made that tackle. It really wasn't intentional. It was vicious, but not intentional. Yeah, i dont think this was intentional either. But maybe worthy of an example fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Come on. It's football. He hit him below the head. It was very high on his chest, but it wasn't a clothesline. It wasn't intentional. Maybe you think they should put little pink jerseys on all the QB so everyone remembers not to hurt them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Yeah, i dont think this was intentional either. But maybe worthy of an example fine.Yeah, maybe a warning sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty P For The Pulitzer Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Come on. It's football. He hit him below the head. It was very high on his chest, but it wasn't a clothesline. It wasn't intentional. Maybe you think they should put little pink jerseys on all the QB so everyone remembers not to hurt them? I definitely think the NFL has gone soft, especially with QBs, but he got Ramsey's neck, and any hit above the shoulder pads should've been called. I'm not surprised he wasn't fined though. It was vicious but unintentional and there was no intent to hurt Ramsey either. I didn't see the hit on McNuggett, but I'm not surprised the guy was fined with the way the NFL protects its star players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Coach Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Whether or not it was intentional doesn't have anything to do with it. It still ended up being a clothsline tackle. I am shocked that there hasn't been a fine yet, you know that the Redskins have submitted the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 He did the Rock Bottom on the kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Last year Robert Ferguson got the same "un-intentional" close line, against the Jags, and it nearly ended his career. Slamming someone head into the ground by their neck is very dangerous. The NFL fined Donavin Darius harshly and said the closeline would not be tolerated whether intentional or not. Ferguson was a WR, Ramsey is a QB and they normally protect QB's the most. Oops. P.S. Fining the guy from ATL is a straight @#$%* move. WTF is that about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 The hit Chad Lavalais put on Donavin they said he launched himself and used the crown of his helmet, and I guess they are using the sorry excuse Briggs was blocked toward Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Come on. It's football. He hit him below the head. It was very high on his chest, but it wasn't a clothesline. It wasn't intentional. Maybe you think they should put little pink jerseys on all the QB so everyone remembers not to hurt them? You are wrong. Ramsey was brought down by his neck. In addition, he had his head slammed down to the turf. Also, your comment about pink jerseys in reference to a head/neck injury, in addition to being trite to the point of , reflects very poorly on you. It's amazing this wasn't called. Here's a series of images from that hit. Perhaps Briggs wasn't fined because Jansen blocked him? Even so, not only was Ramsey clotheslined, Briggs slammed his head down at the end of the play. I'm astounded that Eric Barton's hit on Drew Brees resulted in a penalty while this hit didn't. This was clearly a missed call. The only reason I suspect Briggs wasn't fined was for league deference to the Referee's opinion that it was a high chest tackle. But even in that situation, shouldn't the officials penalize it for the sake of safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasfan Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 He should've been penalized, maybe fined, but it wasn't intentional. It Looked to me he jumped to try to avoid Jansen, and at the same time Ramsey side stepped away from his body and into his arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfurdell Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 [1st qtr] Washington Redskins at 13:16 1-10-WAS 22 (13:16) 26-C.Portis up the middle to WAS 21 for -1 yards (54-B.Urlacher). 2-11-WAS 21 (12:40) 11-P.Ramsey pass to 83-J.Thrash pushed ob at WAS 25 for 4 yards (33-C.Tillman). PENALTY on CHI-99-Ta.Johnson, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at WAS 25. This was the only penalty call that I really questioned, and it went against the Bears. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 For the same reason Urlacher didn't get fined for the blatant face mask against Portis last year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigginsbiggins44 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I don't know I slowed the hit down on Tivo and looking at his eyes as he was hitting Ramsey, he pretty much knew what he was doing if you ask me........ He wasn't looking at the ball or any other part of Ramsey but his neck..... But what do I know, I had a cowboy fan who was watching it with me tell me to quit whining about the tackle because Clotheslining was a legal way to tackle. Typical cowboy fan drivel, he's been watching to many Roy Williams highlights...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I don't think he should have been penalized nor fined, I don't think the hit on McNabb warranted a fine either. Jansen blocked him into Ramsey, they are both big guys, their weight and momentum obviously created alot of force and that's what slammed Ramsey into the turf. If Jansen didn't block him into Ramsey, I don't think his arm would have been around Ramsey's neck. The hit on McNabb was just a good hit IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I dont necessarily think he should be fined, but there definately SHOULD have been a penalty on the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_trizzy Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 McNabb= Cover Boy thats why his hit drew a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I can't believe you guys are crying about a hit on a quarterback. This team is going to live or die on defense this year, and I for one hope our defense gets some big hits on opposing QBs this year. I can't stand all these little whiny "oops you touched me too hard" QB penalties. That was a hard hit. A good, hard hit. He didn't touch his head. That's football. Would you argue it was illegal if Arrington had gotten to Orton that way? No, you'd be replaying the hit over and over like the Aikman hit. Too bad Ramsey got knocked out, just like it was too bad McNabb got knocked out. But if you can't take a hit, go play badmitton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunarluau Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Briggs was actually in the air when he made that tackle. It really wasn't intentional. It was vicious, but not intentional. So based on that argument does it have to be intentional for a penalty to be called? You should think about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaSkin Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 There should have been a penalty on the play but no fine. It was a nasty hit but it wasn't intentional. Fines are, or at least should be, for intentional acts. It was not a dirty hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskinjoe Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Any Tivo owners out there: Did Cooley line up and motion over to Sean Taylor before the ball was snapped on the "vicious hit" play? I'm just curious because usually the line makes their own calls along with the QB. I think the hit was a combination of PR & the O/L because PR has to know which side the protection is sliding to in order to get a read on where there pressure (blitz) is coming from on any passing play. It's called "blitz recognition". Maybe that is where the confusion happend if Cooley did line up beside Jansen and Ramsey put Cooley in motion. The part that confuses me the most is why Jansen didn't block the inside rusher if two were lined up and unaccounted for. Its almost as if Jansen let him have the easy route to Ramsey. To sum it up: How in the hell did a DT get such a free lane to our QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskinjoe Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Any Tivo owners out there: Did Cooley line up and motion over to Sean Taylor before the ball was snapped on the "vicious hit" play? I'm just curious because usually the line makes their own calls along with the QB. I think the hit was a combination of PR & the O/L because PR has to know which side the protection is sliding to in order to get a read on where there pressure (blitz) is coming from on any passing play. It's called "blitz recognition". Maybe that is where the confusion happend if Cooley did line up beside Jansen and Ramsey put Cooley in motion. The part that confuses me the most is why Jansen didn't block the inside rusher if two were lined up and unaccounted for. Its almost as if Jansen let him have the easy route to Ramsey. To sum it up: How in the hell did a DT get such a free lane to our QB? Just checked. Briggs is a LB. Either way he was lined up as a down lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahamoss Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 He should of been fined & penalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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