Gibbs Is Right! No More Turnovers!

[s0crates]

:applause:

In Sunday's WIN (I've never heard a coach take this much heat after a win!) vs the Chicago Bears the Redskins played a great game. Portis average nearly 6 yards a carry and the offense gained over 300 yards. The defense would have pitched a shutout if it weren't for Antonio Brown's fumble. The Offense would have scored more if it weren't for Ramsey's.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY thing the 'skins did wrong on Sunday was turn the ball over. Notice, Ramsey is on the bench and Brown is out of work. Coincidence? I doubt it. They can't hurt us with turnovers if they never touch the field.

Gibbs made the right move. You can't win football games turning the ball over. Gibbs stressed it all camp, and a couple guys missed the message. Let the guys who understand that play! Go 'skins!

:applause:

[rdskn4eva]

In Sunday's WIN (I've never heard a coach take this much heat after a win!) vs the Chicago Bears the Redskins played a great game. Portis average nearly 6 yards a carry and the offense gained over 300 yards. The defense would have pitched a shutout if it weren't for Antonio Brown's fumble. The Offense would have scored more if it weren't for Ramsey's.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY thing the 'skins did wrong on Sunday was turn the ball over. Notice, Ramsey is on the bench and Brown is out of work. Coincidence? I doubt it. They can't hurt us with turnovers if they never touch the field.

Gibbs made the right move. You can't win football games turning the ball over. Gibbs stressed it all camp, and a couple guys missed the message. Let the guys who understand that play! Go 'skins!

Agree 100 percent. These players will learn to protect the football...weather they want to or not.

[mrdoctor]

yup thats right and brunell will take us to victory on mond:dallasuck:notworthy:dallasuckay

[herrmag]

Optimism......Up 100%! LETS GO REDSKINS!

sorry, it's the only thing that resembles the stupid cowboys chant.

Oh, oh, oh, and before I forget. F' THE MOTHERGRABBIN COWGIRLS!!!!

[hands11]

And for those that were not around for Gibbs act 1.

He has benched plently of players because they turned the ball over.

Rule #1 if you play on a Gibbs team, don't turn the ball over.

If your an RB, don't fumble.

If your a QB, don't make stupid INT, specially in the red zone.

Red Zone turnovers are punishable by death.

He's not doing anything different. Some people just don't know how high Gibbs sets the bar on this kind of thing.

[J-Rad]

I totally agree with your post. The problem is that I just don't have a lot of confidence in Brunell. I'm actually kind of half-dreading, but half-looking-foward to the Mon night game. I can't say I'm too optimistic, but if we pull out a win somehow, I can't even tell you how high I will be flying. I feel like I'm playing big-stakes poker or something. I'm all IN baby!

[jpark]

This is the truth. I really hope the rest of the team gets the message.

[theartofmonk]

And for those that were not around for Gibbs act 1.

He has benched plently of players because they turned the ball over.

Rule #1 if you play on a Gibbs team, don't turn the ball over.

If your an RB, don't fumble.

If your a QB, don't make stupid INT, specially in the red zone.

Red Zone turnovers are punishable by death.

He's not doing anything different. Some people just don't know how high Gibbs sets the bar on this kind of thing.

Well put, especially the point about raising the bar. He's sending a message to the team about execution. If they can't take the heat, go play for the Eagles or something. If everybody's striving for excellence, then the sky's the limit. Zero tolerance on turnovers. "Ooops, my bad" just doesn't cut it.

:dallasuck

[jtyler42]

I totally agree with your post. The problem is that I just don't have a lot of confidence in Brunell. I'm actually kind of half-dreading, but half-looking-foward to the Mon night game. I can't say I'm too optimistic, but if we pull out a win somehow, I can't even tell you how high I will be flying. I feel like I'm playing big-stakes poker or something. I'm all IN baby!

I like that!

I'm all in baby! :point2sky

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Was going over some stats from games last year...mostly out of boredom..lol...but as I was looking at the drives the Skins offense had against the Giants in the first game, this really jumped out at me (perhaps because I had successfully pushed it deep into my subconscious):

In the 2nd quarter alone:

(14:15) C.Portis right guard to WAS 39 for 2 yards (K.Washington, B.Green).

(14:15) C.Portis left tackle to WAS 44 for 5 yards (B.Green).

(13:20) M.Brunell sacked at WAS 40 for -4 yards (F.Robbins). FUMBLES (F.Robbins), RECOVERED by NYG-M.Strahan at WAS 38. M.Strahan to WAS 38 for no gain (C.Samuels). Officially a 6 yard sack.

Very next play:

(13:01) K.Warner pass to T.Carter for 38 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Two series later:

(7:56) M.Brunell pass to R.Gardner to WAS 13 for 3 yards (W.Allen).

(7:31) M.Brunell pass to C.Cooley to WAS 19 for 6 yards (W.Allen).

(6:45) C.Portis left guard to WAS 20 for 1 yard (S.Williams). FUMBLES (S.Williams), RECOVERED by NYG-B.Green at WAS 16. B.Green for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Officially a rush for -3 yards.

Very next offensive series:

(6:12) M.Brunell pass to C.Cooley pushed ob at WAS 33 for 6 yards (B.Green).

(5:48) M.Brunell pass intended for C.Portis INTERCEPTED by F.Robbins at WAS 39. F.Robbins to WAS 26 for 13 yards (C.Portis).

Giants go on to kick a field goal after getting the INT...

Three out of four series in the 2nd quarter of that game, the Skins turned the ball over, leading directly to 17 points.

Nobody got benched.

I think Gibbs' tolerance towards turnovers is dependent upon how well he perceives the player making the turnovers...

[gimpy007]

Gibbs made the right move. You can't win football games turning the ball over. Gibbs stressed it all camp, and a couple guys missed the message. Let the guys who understand that play! Go 'skins!

Good point. I feel a lot better about all of this now. I remember how Gibbs has stressed in all his press conferences that you can not win football games if you commit penalties and turn the ball over. Heck, in his interview after the game he even stated how they should not have beaten the Bears with 3 turnovers.

:wewantd:

[westjr88]

All the turnovers in that Giants game and it was still pretty close, wasn't it?

I heard it said that if we had scored just 1 more touchdown per game, just 1, we would have been like 14-2. Thats bad.

[jpark]

Califan007, I think its a worthwhile point. But lets not take one game and use it to conclude the premise on which Gibbs acts/reacts.

The game you bring up was very early in the season. In fact, it was the second game into Gibbs' resturn to the sidelines. Also, in the following weeks it was heavilly reported that the coaches were working with Portis on his ball handling techniques. This is testament to the fact that Gibbs did not "tolerate" the turnovers by Portis.

As other people have pointed out, Gibbs' actions throughout his career have proven that he does not tolerate turnovers. Now that this Redskins team is firmly established as a Gibbs coached team, and the players are "Gibbs'" guys (unlike most of last season, especially week 2) it is fair to say that Gibbs will be more forthcoming regarding his tolerance to the team's play/behavior.

[westjr88]

Gibbs is also not gonna bench a player they just traded for and are spending tons of cash on.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Califan007, I think its a worthwhile point. But lets not take one game and use it to conclude the premise on which Gibbs acts/reacts.

The game you bring up was very early in the season. In fact, it was the second game into Gibbs' resturn to the sidelines. Also, in the following weeks it was heavilly reported that the coaches were working with Portis on his ball handling techniques. This is testament to the fact that Gibbs did not "tolerate" the turnovers by Portis.

As other people have pointed out, Gibbs' actions throughout his career have proven that he does not tolerate turnovers. Now that this Redskins team is firmly established as a Gibbs coached team, and the players are "Gibbs'" guys (unlike most of last season, especially week 2) it is fair to say that Gibbs will be more forthcoming regarding his tolerance to the team's play/behavior.

I understand what you're saying...but I still think that it's Gibbs' perception of the player that dictates his actions towards that player more than it is some zero-tolerance policy about turnovers. But you're also right, this being his second season back he'll be less tolerant now than last year. However, I do believe that his tolerance level towards Brunell will forever remain higher than towards Ramsey, turnovers or no turnovers.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Gibbs is also not gonna bench a player they just traded for and are spending tons of cash on.

I agree completely...which is why, I guess, I'm not quite buying in wholesale on the concept that this is nothing more than a zero-tolerance philosophy at work towards turnovers.

[red zone]

:applause:

In Sunday's WIN (I've never heard a coach take this much heat after a win!) vs the Chicago Bears the Redskins played a great game. Portis average nearly 6 yards a carry and the offense gained over 300 yards. The defense would have pitched a shutout if it weren't for Antonio Brown's fumble. The Offense would have scored more if it weren't for Ramsey's.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY thing the 'skins did wrong on Sunday was turn the ball over. Notice, Ramsey is on the bench and Brown is out of work. Coincidence? I doubt it. They can't hurt us with turnovers if they never touch the field.

Gibbs made the right move. You can't win football games turning the ball over. Gibbs stressed it all camp, and a couple guys missed the message. Let the guys who understand that play! Go 'skins!

:applause:

That is truly it in a nutshell. Those who continue to beat their gums over Gibbs decision missed the message too. Turnovers and penalties are the difference between 6-10 and 10-6.

[Mr. Nostril]

Califan007, I think your argument is very good. Gibbs is definitely giving Brunell more of a shot than Ramsey. However, who reads play by plays from games a year old. I'm not going to go so far as to say you have no life, because that would definitely be the pot calling the kettle black. I'm just curious what made you decide to do this, and how often you do this.

I'm sure you have a better life than me. I mean you live in So. Cal. I spent 4 months there, and they were possibly the 4 best months of my life.

[RAVENS_SUCK_HUN]

Great post. I totally agree with EVERYTHING Gibss does. He's in the hall of fame and took us to 4 superbowls. Do WE want to piss him off so he leaves? Will that make anyone happy?

Anyway, our main problem is turnovers. What did Gibbs do?......Got rid of A. Brown and keep Brunell in.

Ramsey had an interception & A. Brown had a fumble that set up the Bears ONLY points of the game.

DID WE HAVE ANY INTERCEPTIONS OR FUMBLES AFTER GIBBS MADE THE CHANGE??????

Enough said!

[budski]

Well Brunell did throw an interception, but in keeping with Gibbs thought process

as it applied to Ramsey, Brunell was halfway there to being benched and us seeing

Campbell last Sunday.

I guess QBs get two chances, there is no third.

I am sure the rest of the team got the message.

[BG4SHEEZEE]

plus u all are forgetting that without stumbling, fumbling Antonio Brown in there we will get better field position which means a shorter field to drive. I say the offense finally wakes up Monday night.

HTTR!

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Califan007, I think your argument is very good. Gibbs is definitely giving Brunell more of a shot than Ramsey. However, who reads play by plays from games a year old. I'm not going to go so far as to say you have no life, because that would definitely be the pot calling the kettle black. I'm just curious what made you decide to do this, and how often you do this.

I'm sure you have a better life than me. I mean you live in So. Cal. I spent 4 months there, and they were possibly the 4 best months of my life.

:laugh: I was reading another thread about Portis' rushing yards last year when Brunell was QB as compared to when Ramsey was QBing...and the guy who put the stats together said that he gave all of the rushing stats in the Giants game to Ramsey instead of breaking it down. So, out of curiosity, I went and looked at the drives from that game with the idea of breaking down Portis' rushing stats with each QB and seeing if the trend that guy spotted on the other thread remained consistent. It was during that exercise that I had to read that succession of drives one after another that put Ramsey's "three drives, three turnovers" to shame...and relive the entire thing again.

[HapHaszard]

This is the truth. I really hope the rest of the team gets the message.

The message was not subtile, I am sure the rest of the team got it.

[MaddogCT]

So Porits is stitting this week then?

:logo:

[s0crates]

Was going over some stats from games last year...mostly out of boredom..lol...but as I was looking at the drives the Skins offense had against the Giants in the first game, this really jumped out at me (perhaps because I had successfully pushed it deep into my subconscious):

In the 2nd quarter alone:

(14:15) C.Portis right guard to WAS 39 for 2 yards (K.Washington, B.Green).

(14:15) C.Portis left tackle to WAS 44 for 5 yards (B.Green).

(13:20) M.Brunell sacked at WAS 40 for -4 yards (F.Robbins). FUMBLES (F.Robbins), RECOVERED by NYG-M.Strahan at WAS 38. M.Strahan to WAS 38 for no gain (C.Samuels). Officially a 6 yard sack.

Very next play:

(13:01) K.Warner pass to T.Carter for 38 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Two series later:

(7:56) M.Brunell pass to R.Gardner to WAS 13 for 3 yards (W.Allen).

(7:31) M.Brunell pass to C.Cooley to WAS 19 for 6 yards (W.Allen).

(6:45) C.Portis left guard to WAS 20 for 1 yard (S.Williams). FUMBLES (S.Williams), RECOVERED by NYG-B.Green at WAS 16. B.Green for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Officially a rush for -3 yards.

Very next offensive series:

(6:12) M.Brunell pass to C.Cooley pushed ob at WAS 33 for 6 yards (B.Green).

(5:48) M.Brunell pass intended for C.Portis INTERCEPTED by F.Robbins at WAS 39. F.Robbins to WAS 26 for 13 yards (C.Portis).

Giants go on to kick a field goal after getting the INT...

Three out of four series in the 2nd quarter of that game, the Skins turned the ball over, leading directly to 17 points.

Nobody got benched.

I think Gibbs' tolerance towards turnovers is dependent upon how well he perceives the player making the turnovers...

As I remember, Portis did sit out some of that game. And Brunnell got benched a few weeks later. He hadn 't made it as much of a point as he has this preseason though.