dallasfan Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Discounting injury ofcourse, can Joe Gibbs really turn to Ramsey and say, you're my guy? I think last week was Patrick Ramsey's last start for the skins, because imo he has no confidence left in himself or the coaching staff for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLiverpool Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I think he can. You've got to go back to the 80's to see what Gibbs did in the past, and I'm certain he's pointing that out to Ramsey. The Williams/Rypien era. This is a different time, because of free agency, but don't discount the fact that Gibbs wants at least two QBs capable of playing as a starter. Not many teams have that, nor do they have the cap room. But I think its up to Ramsey, if he wants to go after this, I can't blame him, I just hope we don't trade him to an NFC East team...maybe the Ravens(put him in the AFC, away from many revenge games)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasfan Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 You may be right, but I think the way Gibbs did this makes it difficult. He stuck with Brunnell for 9 games and stuck Ramsey for less than 9 minutes into the second quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 It'll be tough for him to call on Ramsey. Fortunately, I think MB and PR get along really well, and PR is still a professional QB. If for no other reason, he'll want to prove all the doubters (to include myself) wrong if ever given the chance, and secure himself a nice, fat contract with another team next year since he'll probably be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Yes, Ramsey is a professional athlete not a whining baby. His career is on the line. This is his 4th season and his contract year. His stock is already plummeting being benched after 1 quarter of play. This pre-season and 1 quarter of play he already has like 7 turnovers and 1 TD. He needs to show some improvement for a team to sign him for good money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 The only way he goes back to Ramsey is if Brunell is injured. Even with an injury, though, I can't say with 100% certainty that a backup will go in. Brunell played with a hamstring injury for much of the season and didn't get benched. Coach Gibbs had such little faith in Ramsey's play at that point in time that he'd rather play an injured Mark Brunell. It would be the same thing if it happened this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 He should be able to. But that depends on Ramsey's maturity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red zone Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Discounting injury ofcourse, can Joe Gibbs really turn to Ramsey and say, you're my guy? I think last week was Patrick Ramsey's last start for the skins, because imo he has no confidence left in himself or the coaching staff for that matter. If not, then Ramsey is not a team guy and we no longer have any use for him. He shelved Brunell and has turned back to him. This isn't a marriage, this is football. You play the players who give you the best chance to win. Patrick needs to stop turning the ball over. For this team, with this defense, turnovers and penalties are the difference between 6-10 and 10-6. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I doubt it, but he can certainly go to Campbell;). I agree that Ramsey is probably finished here, but that is good for us because we do not want a half-stepper on the roster. Either you trust in Gibbs and take one for the team, or you don't. I didn't hear or see Brunell doing any whining or complaining when he was benched last year. He took his lumps and rode pine just like Ramsey SHOULD be doing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahurt002 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Yes, Ramsey is a professional athlete not a whining baby.His career is on the line. This is his 4th season and his contract year. His stock is already plummeting being benched after 1 quarter of play. This pre-season and 1 quarter of play he already has like 7 turnovers and 1 TD. He needs to show some improvement for a team to sign him for good money. Only one problem, the preseason doesn't count- no stats from the preseason rolls over to the real season, If patrick had 100 TDs in the preseason they wouldn't count. The Preseason is for Practice and for others players to make the team so Patrick should be judged on his regular season play(when it counts). And last Preseason both Quarterbacks looked bad but Mark got to start more that just 2 quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahurt002 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 The only way he goes back to Ramsey is if Brunell is injured. Even with an injury, though, I can't say with 100% certainty that a backup will go in. Brunell played with a hamstring injury for much of the season and didn't get benched. Coach Gibbs had such little faith in Ramsey's play at that point in time that he'd rather play an injured Mark Brunell. It would be the same thing if it happened this year. Not only injured but he played like CRAP too, and he started 9 awful games, I mean even when the run was working he still looked like CRAP, and Joe still kept him in. Thats enough of a slap in the face for me to want to leave and I don't even play. Let alone the next season benching him in the Second Quarter of the first game. If I can recall Brunell wasn't benched for the fumble (to Barber) last year that went for a touchdown in the first game did he? :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 The Preseason is for Practice and for others players to make the team so Patrick should be judged on his regular season play(when it counts). WRONG! It's for the coach to evaluate his players. Some of you think this is fantasy football or something. What he does in preseason does affect the coach's opinion of him, as does practice. Should Gibbs forget about what players do in practice since throwing pickles and dropping wide open passes don't hurt the team until game day? Honestly, what are you thinking with that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctorfro Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Gibbs and MJ...........washington has beens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 If and when Patrick plays, he'll be doing it for other teams. He'll present himself for when he is traded or released. He'll do whatever he can to help us win because he is a classy guy, but there is NO WAY he will be OUR guy again. Gibbs can turn to him in a pinch, but there is no chance he would want (or be eligible) to be the long term answer at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Only one problem, the preseason doesn't count- no stats from the preseason rolls over to the real season, If patrick had 100 TDs in the preseason they wouldn't count. The Preseason is for Practice and for others players to make the team so Patrick should be judged on his regular season play(when it counts). And last Preseason both Quarterbacks looked bad but Mark got to start more that just 2 quarters. Fine... One quarter, two turnovers. Not a good rate and not unlike how he played in the preseason. At some point, things become more than flukes and it constitutes a trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Not only injured but he played like CRAP too, and he started 9 awful games, I mean even when the run was working he still looked like CRAP, and Joe still kept him in. Thats enough of a slap in the face for me to want to leave and I don't even play. Let alone the next season benching him in the Second Quarter of the first game. If I can recall Brunell wasn't benched for the fumble (to Barber) last year that went for a touchdown in the first game did he? :mad: Coach Gibbs doesn't just look at turnovers. He looks at how they happen as well as what he thinks his best options are. The fumble to Ronde, Brunell and Portis got their feet crossed up. The Coach views that differently than tossing the ball right to a Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahurt002 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I doubt it, but he can certainly go to Campbell;).I agree that Ramsey is probably finished here, but that is good for us because we do not want a half-stepper on the roster. Either you trust in Gibbs and take one for the team, or you don't. I didn't hear or see Brunell doing any whining or complaining when he was benched last year. He took his lumps and rode pine just like Ramsey SHOULD be doing right now. Mark Had 9 games to prove himself not two quarters that is a HUGE difference. Even if you count the preseason it 4 games to 9, Gibbs preaches "everybody has a fair chance" but not in this case. And I bet you were one of the fans that wanted to see Ramsey play last year. Because not one Redskin fan wanted to see Brunell start another game and if they did... Cocaine is a hell of a drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood2k3 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I think he can still go to Ramsey, because he wants to play and prove he's a starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahurt002 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 WRONG! It's for the coach to evaluate his players. Some of you think this is fantasy football or something. What he does in preseason does affect the coach's opinion of him, as does practice. Should Gibbs forget about what players do in practice since throwing pickles and dropping wide open passes don't hurt the team until game day? Honestly, what are you thinking with that statement? He forget how bad Mark Brunell played in the first 8 games of last season and let him start the ninth game before he was benched right? Last season he had no problem forgeting that Mark was hurt and he was playing poorly since week 2 and he start 7 more games, but now he can't forget what Patrick has done in the preseason when it doesn't matter That is what I am thinking about with this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 He sure can. Whose going to tell him he can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Pease Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Sure he can and if Mark doesn't show he can win games and plays like he did last season I think Joe will go back to Patrick. I think that Joe realizes that last season he stuck with Mark too long when he wasn't producing; and that was a factor in the quick hook on Pat. I'll bet that if Mark doesn't do well against the Cowboys Monday he may very well go back to Patrick before the next game. Joe just wants one of his QBs to step up and play good, smart, error-free football. Joe wants a winning team this season. If neither Mark nor Patrick don't produce a winner and hopes for a playoff berth are over he will switch to Jason to prepare for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrocrb96 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 No! Either it should be Brunnell or Jason Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Coach Gibbs doesn't just look at turnovers. He looks at how they happen as well as what he thinks his best options are. The fumble to Ronde, Brunell and Portis got their feet crossed up. The Coach views that differently than tossing the ball right to a Defender. Except if the defender shouldn't have been there had there been a proper play and Patton cleared out the defender before Moss entered his space. Granted, Ramsey still threw it, but I don't put it all on him. As for the subject of this post, of course he can go back to Ramsey if things fall apart. The only thing is, now Ramsey is probably gone after this year. Once you give up on Ramsey and go to Brunell, you are basically saying you are not my QB. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOLhandsCOOLEY Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 IMO he can definetly go back to Ramsey. If Ramsey want's to be traded than he wants to show that he can be an asset. I think Patrick will have a hard time finding a job in this league if he doeesnt see the field again. I wouldn't trade for a QB who has 33 TD and 29 INTs in 30 appearences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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