Blame goes to...

[myzhi]

PR. He should know what his head coach wants in QB. MB seems to gotten it since day one. Joe wants a mistake free / safe QB. If that means throwing nickel and dime all day, you gotta give what you boss wants.

With that out of the way, here's more pressing matter. Why did we upgrade to a vertical game if Joe still just wants to play "safe?" Don't see how Portis, Moss, Patton, and etc. will like the change in offense philosophy after hearing the coaches preach about spread and going deep all summer long.

[Dead Money]

We simply don't have the luxury to have the patience to wait for Patrick to learn how to read defenses. I like the kid a lot but I think the years we have given him don't equal what he's giving back right now. :whoknows: Brunell gets hurt and he will ges another chance.... you just never know in this league.

[Saqs]

We simply don't have the luxury to have the patience to wait for Patrick to learn how to read defenses. I like the kid a lot but I think the years we have given him don't equal what he's giving back right now. :whoknows: Brunell gets hurt and he will ges another chance.... you just never know in this league.

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[TimFolk]

We simply don't have the luxury to have the patience to wait for Patrick to learn how to read defenses. I like the kid a lot but I think the years we have given him don't equal what he's giving back right now. :whoknows: Brunell gets hurt and he will ges another chance.... you just never know in this league.

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[Ball Coach]

What type of luxury does Brunell provide? He threw a floater into double coverage and would have been intercepted if there wasn't pass interference called on the play.

[authentic]

What type of luxury does Brunell provide? He threw a floater into double coverage and would have been intercepted if there wasn't pass interference called on the play.

exactly!!, plus if Brunell gets hurt, how can we go back to Ramsey? The bridge has been burned with this kid. We may likely go to a rookie who isn't even close to being ready yet.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Let's put the facts down. There was a reason Gibbs sacrificed our 1st rounder and 3rd rounder for next year to draft a QB in the 1st round this year. He doesn't like what he see's in Ramsey. Some part of his game Gibbs is unhappy with, seriously you don't mortgage that much of your future to get a QB if you have 2 already capable QB's on your roster.

With the comment on the vertical game, if you watched any of the pre-season it looked to me that Brunell got the ball to Farris pretty good to me.

The pass interference call was exactly that... a pass interference call, the interception didn't happen because the defender bumped in Moss on that play. So don't give me the could of, should of, would of theories.

[myzhi]

With the comment on the vertical game, if you watched any of the pre-season it looked to me that Brunell got the ball to Farris pretty good to me.

If we judge performance by preseason, Danny Wuerffel would by MVP of Super Bowl. Sorry, preseason means ****. Teams play scrubs with vanilla offense and defense.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

If we judge performance by preseason, Danny Wuerffel would by MVP of Super Bowl. Sorry, preseason means ****. Teams play scrubs with vanilla offense and defense.

I'm talking about Brunell's ability to get the ball down the field. He can throw the ball downfield just fine. He actually threw one for a TD too...how amazing.

Everyone on this board knew Wuerffel shouldn't even been in the league even after Osaka. Poor example.

[Ball Coach]

The pass interference call changes the interception, not the poor decsion to make the throw.

[myzhi]

I'm talking about Brunell's ability to get the ball down the field. He can throw the ball downfield just fine. He actually threw one for a TD too...how amazing.

Everyone on this board knew Wuerffel shouldn't even been in the league even after Osaka. Poor example.

What Wuerffel didn't look good with vertical game in preseason? My point exactly. Once again, preseason means ****.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

The pass interference call changes the interception, not the poor decsion to make the throw.

I see teams week after week do the same thing. Taking shots down the field in hopes of completing the pass or getting an interference call to get better field position. When we do it, it's a sin. Can someone explain that to me?

That's the chance you risk when you go downfield, every team in the league knows that. But you take them to open up your running lanes and short passing game a bit.

If Moss didn't get practically knocked down he would of had every chance to go after that ball. But he didn't, because it was pass interference.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

What Wuerffel didn't look good with vertical game in preseason? My point exactly. Once again, preseason means ****.

Not at all, because if you were watching any of his passes they were helium balls that hung in the air forever. I could piss harder than Wuerffel can throw a football. Give me a different example if you want to argue the case...Wuerffel isn't it. Why do you think every team in the league laughed at us when we traded away a 7th round pick to get someone who doesn't even belong in the NFL.

[Saqs]

The pass interference call changes the interception, not the poor decsion to make the throw.

Exactly. People using this as ammo against Brunell are reaching.

[myzhi]

Not at all, because if you were watching any of his passes they were helium balls that hung in the air forever. I could piss harder than Wuerffel can throw a football. Give me a different example if you want to argue the case...Wuerffel isn't it. Why do you think every team in the league laughed at us when we traded away a 7th round pick to get someone who doesn't even belong in the NFL.

Look, that preseason we went 4-0 with think 30 ppg. You telling me Wuerffel didn't look good? Preseason is "fool's gold." Until, you get understand that keep the blinders on.

[Ball Coach]

I don't mind the play call, but it was into double coverage and a poorly thrown ball. If what Gibbs wants to do is chuck the ball downfield to take chances, why make the change?

[Saqs]

I don't mind the play call, but it was into double coverage and a poorly thrown ball. If what Gibbs wants to do is chuck the ball downfield to take chances, why make the change?

Because that's not all he wants from his QB.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Look, that preseason we went 4-0 with think 30 ppg. You telling me Wuerffel didn't look good? Preseason is "fool's gold." Until, you get understand that keep the blinders on.

Look, you know as well as I know you and I could of went out there and passed the ball around like Wuerffel and Matthews did that pre-season. Again, you and I both know that Wuerffel and Matthews were products of Spurriers system. You throw the ball to areas on the field where there are openings. It just so happened that we were bringing out all of our guns that pre-season to defenses that were playing vanilla defenses. That's why we looked so decent that year in pre-season. Come on, you can't tell me that you didn't know that? If Gibbs would of ran all his schemes for his offense against defenses this year we could of beat people by 25 pts. too. That's not how a pre-season is ran. So back to the facts that you cannot compare Wuerffel to Brunell to each other. For one, Brunell has had more success in this league than Wuerffel. And 2 Brunell on one leg and no arms can throw the ball a helluva lot better than Wuerffel and has 20 times more ability.

Who has the better track record? Let me guess that would go to Wuerffel because of Osaka right? Please man. Until you realize what you're talking about why don't you put the blinders back on, maybe it will help you understand how football is played.

[buju]

If the reports are true that PR requested a trade then it reaffirms even more that making the move to Brunell was the right choice. Newsflash to you Patrick--if you hadn't been a turnover machine in the preseason then JG might not have benched so quickly, but you were and you are now riding the pine. Take it like a man and work harder and get better. If you can't do that then see ya.

Every other player on every other NFL team is subject to benching if they don't play up to expectations. Why should PR be any different? I'm not saying that Brunell is the long-term answer, but Patrick had more than enough time to establish himself as a QB who wouldn't lose the game for us and he failed miserably. With our defense and running game we need somebody who can manage the game like Brunell can, not somebody who telegraphs passes to the other team when he has no pressure at all. Patrick simply doesn't have that savvy now, and probably never will. He isn't mobile, can't scramble and either gets happy feet in the pocket or hangs in there so long that he gets nailed. Basically he has no pocket prescense at all, and I don't believe that can be taught. It may be that we see Jason Campbell sooner rather than later.

HTTR

[myzhi]

Look, you know as well as I know you and I could of went out there and passed the ball around like Wuerffel and Matthews did that pre-season. Again, you and I both know that Wuerffel and Matthews were products of Spurriers system. You throw the ball to areas on the field where there are openings. It just so happened that we were bringing out all of our guns that pre-season to defenses that were playing vanilla defenses. That's why we looked so decent that year in pre-season. Come on, you can't tell me that you didn't know that? If Gibbs would of ran all his schemes for his offense against defenses this year we could of beat people by 25 pts. too. That's not how a pre-season is ran. So back to the facts that you cannot compare Wuerffel to Brunell to each other. For one, Brunell has had more success in this league than Wuerffel. And 2 Brunell on one leg and no arms can throw the ball a helluva lot better than Wuerffel and has 20 times more ability.

Who has the better track record? Let me guess that would go to Wuerffel because of Osaka right? Please man. Until you realize what you're talking about why don't you put the blinders back on, maybe it will help you understand how football is played.

WTF, you just said you can't really tell how someone performs during preseason, and yet, do 180 with noodle arm? One last time, peformance in preseason mean ****. When you have scrubs playing most of the game running vanilla stuff, it does not reflect what happens in a "real" game. I figure a football genius like you could easily figure that out.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

WTF, you just said you can't really tell how someone performs during preseason, and yet, do 180 with noodle arm? One last time, peformance in preseason mean ****. When you have scrubs playing most of the game running vanilla stuff, it does not reflect what happens in a "real" game. I figure a football genius like you could easily figure that out.

I'm saying that Wuerffel was a product of a system that was ran at full force in Osaka against vanilla defenses. Did you not read the part where I said if Gibbs had done the same thing as Spurrier did we would of beaten teams by 30 pts and our QB's would of looked spectacular. But what i'm trying to show you is that the talents of a Wuerffel and Brunell are NOT comparable no matter what the situation is genius. You act like just because it was pre-season that Brunell can't make throws down field. He can make them downfield and that's what I was trying to point out to you genius. You can't sit here and compare Wuerffel's arm to Brunell's it's a bad example. Which takes me back to Wuerffel was as Spurrier system QB. He knew what areas to throw a ball into, so no matter the puss that spewed out of Wuerffel's arm as long as it got to that spot it was a catchable ball genius.

So throwing to open spots and hitting someone on a go route where the defender can't reach the ball are totally different genius.

[myzhi]

I'm saying that Wuerffel was a product of a system that was ran at full force in Osaka against vanilla defenses. Did you not read the part where I said if Gibbs had done the same thing as Spurrier did we would of beaten teams by 30 pts and our QB's would of looked spectacular. But what i'm trying to show you is that the talents of a Wuerffel and Brunell are NOT comparable no matter what the situation is genius. You act like just because it was pre-season that Brunell can't make throws down field. He can make them downfield and that's what I was trying to point out to you genius. You can't sit here and compare Wuerffel's arm to Brunell's it's a bad example. Which takes me back to Wuerffel was as Spurrier system QB. He knew what areas to throw a ball into, so no matter the puss that spewed out of Wuerffel's arm as long as it got to that spot it was a catchable ball genius.

So throwing to open spots and hitting someone on a go route where the defender can't reach the ball are totally different genius.

No, what I am saying is "it's because it's preseason MB can make long throws against scrubs." I don't see him doing it against 1st string in "real" game, ie Wuerffel. So far, he's proven me right after 1st game. Once again, performance in preseason game means ****. Learn and understand.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

No, what I am saying is "it's because it's preseason MB can make long throws against scrubs." I don't see him doing it against 1st string in "real" game, ie Wuerffel. So far, he's proven me right after 1st game. Once again, performance in preseason game means ****. Learn and understand.

He was doing it last year when he supposedly had his "rag arm". If he's healthy this year and there seems to be more zip on his ball I don't see why he cannot make these types of throws against a 1st string defense.

Remember that's how we got back into the Dallas game at home last year.

[myzhi]

He was doing it last year when he supposedly had his "rag arm". If he's healthy this year and there seems to be more zip on his ball I don't see why he cannot make these types of throws against a 1st string defense.

Remember that's how we got back into the Dallas game at home last year.

I don't know. If he wasn't healthly, why was he even in there? What a team player. Seems like a weak afterthought excuse to explain his beyond poor performance last year. I'll take his "healthy" status as a grain of salt. Look, he didn't prove anything yesterday with being more "healthy." As for Dallas game, guess standard is so low here 1/9 tries good enough for some people.