fansince62 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 cuchip.....nice, temperate post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 NO TK, I was just furious at the change. I came on to the site and unloaded on Renegade. I apologise for the venom but the emotions at the time were running high. I know better I apologise Bill, It takes a certain level of maturity to admit a mistake and apologize. I appreciate that. Remember that ES has always been here for us to talk ball intelligently as well as to vent and commiserate when things go bad. We are all a family of passionate fans of our team, that is why we are here... lets not forget that. I hope you will remember that the Staff here is doing its best to allow a balance of venting and commiseration while trying to limit the type verbal abuse that can follow heated debate. Yours and EVERYONEs help in doing so would go a long way towards making this place the best it can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Bill,It takes a certain level of maturity to admit a mistake and apologize. I appreciate that. Remember that ES has always been here for us to talk ball intelligently as well as to vent and commiserate when things go bad. We are all a family of passionate fans of our team, that is why we are here... lets not forget that. I hope you will remember that the Staff here is doing its best to allow a balance of venting and commiseration while trying to limit the type verbal abuse that can follow heated debate. Yours and EVERYONEs help in doing so would go a long way towards making this place the best it can be. You want to hear something really funny??? I was at home, raging about it last night, and my wife looks at me and says "You know, I don't like it either, but what are we going to do about it??? NOTHING!!!" Damn women are so smart sometimes :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Ramsey DID.Trade him to Arizona. So I can buy his Jersey. Ohhh, that would be sweet! I might move to AZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I hate to say this, but I didn't see the "zip" in his arm yesterday that we saw in preseason. So according to you, he had "zip" in the preseason, but somehow just now because it happens to be the regular season that "zip" has somehow magically disappeared? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS#56 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 For those who berate Joe's decision to go with Brunell and bring to mind last season's woes please consider that Brunell was not healthy last season. Consistently Mark has shown a strong arm, healthy legs and good decision making thus far this season and to a large degree throughout his entire career. We may now have the Brunell that we originally thought we were getting.HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Maybe Gibbs is a genius and knows something we don't, Maybe? MAYBE??? What planet are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLMRacing Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Who cares who the QB is?? I just want to beat Dallas and win games. If Gibbs thinks Brunell can get the job done we should back his decision and move forward. (IN Gibbs I Trust) !! :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Brunell had no zip on the pass I was at the game. Everyone saying he lit up the Preseason he played against second and third stringers. Gibbs isn't calling the plays this year guys, and the play calling dropped ten fold in aggresiveness when ol noodle came in. He can manage a game yes. But the only way we go better than .500 this year is if we can pull an 2000 ravens. Our defense is good but not that good. Combine that fact that are kicker is hurt and it does not look to hot. How is everyone going to feel if we gave up a top ten or top five pick this year for campbell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 The fat guy who sits outside of the Best Buy in DC and calls everyone a homosexual...he has a better chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinned Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Brunell had no zip on the pass I was at the game. Everyone saying he lit up the Preseason he played against second and third stringers. Gibbs isn't calling the plays this year guys, and the play calling dropped ten fold in aggresiveness when ol noodle came in. He can manage a game yes. But the only way we go better than .500 this year is if we can pull an 2000 ravens. Our defense is good but not that good. So are you saying that after having watched the playcalling for Brunell during the preseason and the success he had, that 3/4 of football is enough to prove to you and all of us that the Skins don't feel he can do that against starters? The man is a former Pro-Bowl QB who Gibbs wanted to head his offense. He has now shown he is healthy to do just that and you want to point to last year. Why don't you point to the improvement he showed in the preseason and admit that we never saw THIS Brunell last year. The Chicago game was destined to be a low-scoring affair and it is true Gibbs style to scratch and claw for a victory, while minimizing TO's and thus the risk of losing the game. I don't expect this same gameplan to be in effect every week, but against Chicago Gibbs wanted to make sure they got a W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 IF we start losing. I say we put in Campbell, let him start to develop early, and start planning for next season. I agree. Couldn't hurt. I would give Brunell till half the season is over and then put in the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 while I thought PR deserved another few games to dispell the notion he could make it through 4 quarters without an INT or fumble.....the obvious has been set in motion: the JC era by mid-season. couple thoughts:1) Earnest Byner pointed out that this was a decision arrived at by the entire O coaching staff....not just Joe 2) PR did it to himself....too many turnovers for far too many games. 3) We'll find out what sort of person PR is should MB be hurt. I think he'll rise to the ocassion if called upon....even if his future with the Skins is not long-term 4) The PR reactionaries are comical in the extreme: it's not about MB. He deserves and will get the same critical oversight. If he doesn't cut it move on to the next option. The point was that PR wasn't getting it done in the eyes of the coachin staff. This was all very predictable - except for the timing - since the first preseason game when JG left PR in for an abnormally lengthy period of time. That was a clear "I aint happy signal." The bottom line is winning - I don't much care who is QB so long as the ledger reads as it should. Where did you hear this about the coaching staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Haha. Hilarious. Cheering for Brunell to start. If ANYTHING good comes of this, it is maybe Campbell getting some reps. You were honestly tired of Ramsey? I was downright angry with Brunell, what with the worst QB rating in the league last year, a sub .500 completion percentage, a fear of getting hit, and lame duck passes that murdered our receivers. Let's all forget how much better the team did with Ramsey last year. Being tired of Ramsey but not Brunell is just ludicrous blind homerism. Maybe Gibbs is a genius and knows something we don't, but supporting the sentiment the way you did is just nonsensical. AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself. You just summed up everything I've said in several different threads today. So what most of the people opposed to our disgust with this decision want us to think is that Gibbs is the all knowing and we should just sit at home and worship the ground he walks on because he's the Alpah and Omega of football. Can one person on this site tell me honestly that Gibbs' decision to keep Brunell as starter last year was a good decision? Sorry but I don't think anyone can honestly admit that. That alone should have you questioning this decision. Questioning this decision doesn't make you a PR fan it makes you a concerned Redskin fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinned Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself. You just summed up everything I've said in several different threads today. So what most of the people opposed to our disgust with this decision want us to think is that Gibbs is the all knowing and we should just sit at home and worship the ground he walks on because he's the Alpah and Omega of football. Can one person on this site tell me honestly that Gibbs' decision to keep Brunell as starter last year was a good decision? Sorry but I don't think anyone can honestly admit that. That alone should have you questioning this decision. Questioning this decision doesn't make you a PR fan it makes you a concerned Redskin fan. I think we are all concerned Redskin fans. I think that all of us have tunnel-vision on what we want to believe as the facts in this case. Unfortunately, I don't see choosing Brunell as "blind homerism". I see it as being realistic. If I am wrong I too will eat crow, but I think the Brunell we have seen in preseason is not the same Brunell that you and many others seem to see. Ramsey gets excuse after excuse for his pre-season and now Week 1 performance, yet Brunell only gets the ole "look at last season". That is not what Brunell is being judged by now. And to be fair, if you are to look at last season's savior in Ramsey, and then compare to this years performance, you can't be pleased because there is NO or minimal improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!! :doh: unreal. I think you are jumping the gun way too fast & trying to speak for other people in circumstances that you are not privy to. How do you know that Gibbs isn't just being overly careful with PRs injury? Mark my words. All you people who are HAPPY to see Brunell in there & are "tired" of a QB who has only had 24 starts in his now 4th year, will be wanting Ramsey back in before ya know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nneece Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!! 'the future of this franchise officially set for success'? What you smokin'? I hope you are referring to JC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nneece Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Face it. Neither one of these two would have been the Redskins starter 2 years from now. Basically the qb position is a lame duck position until Campbell is ready in 2007. While the decision to pull Ramsey angers me in that they didn't give him the chance they gave Brunell last year, it might be the right decision in the long run. What we saw of Brunell on Sunday was remarkably similar to what we saw of him last year. But lets remember two points. 1) the gameplan was for Ramsey as QB, not for Brunell. He did lead us on all three of those FG drives. (how many 3 and outs did we have on Sunday) 2.) Gibbs called plays with the confidence that his defense could stop Chicago at will. He had a conservative approach and it worked...a win is a win. Lets wait and see until Monday night whether this was the right decision. Brunell could come out and whip the ball around the field to Moss and Patten like he was in the preseason, or we could have the 2004 display on hand. He only thows the passes the coaches call. Its really up to Gibbs to drop the conservative approach he has with Brunell. You're correct. Exactly what we need, another rebuilding year. 2007, let's just wait til 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 :doh: unreal. I think you are jumping the gun way too fast & trying to speak for other people in circumstances that you are not privy to. How do you know that Gibbs isn't just being overly careful with PRs injury? Mark my words. All you people who are HAPPY to see Brunell in there & are "tired" of a QB who has only had 24 starts in his now 4th year, will be wanting Ramsey back in before ya know it. He was cleared to play a little while after the hit, but Gibbs kept him out. If it wasn't so serious, he wouldn't have named Brunell the starter for the Dallas game. There's nothing to recover from, he's cleared. As much as I wanted Ramsey in my heart to win the job and take us to the promise land, my gut told it wasn't going to happen. I'm tired of the turnovers, been tired, and I'm glad it's finally over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 'the future of this franchise officially set for success'? What you smokin'? I hope you are referring to JC. no sh*t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Renegade, I remember busting your chops a bit when you first joined, but I have to tell you that you are pretty damn sharp for a 17 year old. Nice job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 i agree 100% . Lose the turnovers and we have a great team. So, if you turn the ball over too much (like every quarter) then your on the bench. That solves that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I think Gibbs reasoning is probably simple. With the way that Brunell has played this preseason, Gibbs does not want to miss out on the opportunity to have the QB he dreamed about having when he traded for the guy. I know many of you will say all the usual comebacks (70 yds passing, can't go deep, etc.), but I think those are all weak arguments. I think the 70 yds passing was because Gibbs knew this game would be won in a grind it out fashion and he didn't want to take too many risks. As for the arm, I protest. He showed a great arm in the preseason. How quickly we forget the TD to Farris as well as the bomb that Brown muffed.... Brunell defintely has an adequate arm and the superior accuracy. I just don't think that Gibbs feels he has the time to waste to "experiment" with Ramsey. He wants to have the QB he thought he was getting last year. i don't think he can take another 5-11 or 6-10 type year. He needs to contend now!I loved Patrick's heart and effort, but I too want to win, and feel that Brunell gives us the better chance of doing so. right on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFanZim Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Coach Gibbs wants to play his veterans. Ramsey has more physical skills than Brunell, but seems to take too long to make a decision on what to do with the ball on too many plays. That indecision would lead to a lot of turnovers, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I still think Gibbs believes in Ramsey, but right now Brunell is the best choice for Dallas. He wont get rattled, of which the Dallas Defense would do to ramsey. Ramsey's just got too uptight, and not seeing everything thats why he got benched. So what. He will be back later this year. Alot people have said Gibbs cant stand the penalties and turnovers what coach doesnt, Gibbs is managing this team for wins thats all we can ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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