jbooma Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Is how many acted after during. They keep saying women and little girls were beeing raped and beaten every night by a large amount of gangs and thugs. Why on earth would people take advantage of others in such a situation. Honestly I hope they just kill everyone that tried such a thing, forget jail or prsion, they are just a waste of human flesh. The looting who really cares, most of that stuff was trashed anyway, but the abuse and raping, that is just so disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Monk Fan Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 A doctor from Tulane was on NPR this morning discussing this. First they lost control of the Mecdical School to looters and had to pull everyone into the hospital. Then they lost control of the hospital and they had all the doctors and patients in the parking garage. The last two nights they were there, they were in the garage with a Marine sniper on the top trying to protect them from looters as they were evacuated. They had looters climbing over the walls at night and shooting the boats that were bringing patients from Charity Hosiptal over to Tulane for evacuation. The Washington Post had an article on Saturday about volunteers with boats being turned away from the rescue efforts because residents were trying to kill them to steal their boat rather than wait their turn to be rescued. So much focus has been on lack of police/national guard to patrol the convention center, etc. but these people acted like animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 God has bad aim, that much is clear... :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Is how many acted after during. They keep saying women and little girls were beeing raped and beaten every night by a large amount of gangs and thugs. Why on earth would people take advantage of others in such a situation. Honestly I hope they just kill everyone that tried such a thing, forget jail or prsion, they are just a waste of human flesh. Society broke down, it is what happenes when there is no law. You read Lord of the Flies right? The book could be used in a correlation study on parallels between NO and itself. The looting who really cares, most of that stuff was trashed anyway, but the abuse and raping, that is just so disgusting. I agree, and it is part of the right wing media spin. Instead of focusing on the fact that Bush was not leading, they focused on "those savages" looting. they focused everything on the black people looting, never once saying that the VAST MAJORITY was looting for sustinance, and instead made it look like everyone was stealink Nike's and plasmas. Deflect and refocus, kind of been the mantra for the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I agree, and it is part of the right wing media spin. Instead of focusing on the fact that Bush was not leading, they focused on "those savages" looting. they focused everything on the black people looting, never once saying that the VAST MAJORITY was looting for sustinance, and instead made it look like everyone was stealink Nike's and plasmas. Deflect and refocus, kind of been the mantra for the past few years. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mexico Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Society broke down, it is what happenes when there is no law. You read Lord of the Flies right? The book could be used in a correlation study on parallels between NO and itself.I agree, and it is part of the right wing media spin. Instead of focusing on the fact that Bush was not leading, they focused on "those savages" looting. they focused everything on the black people looting, never once saying that the VAST MAJORITY was looting for sustinance, and instead made it look like everyone was stealink Nike's and plasmas. Deflect and refocus, kind of been the mantra for the past few years. I guess the people stealing guns, raping children and shooting at rescue aircraft were just part of the "right wing" media bias too huh? I still don't understand why breaking the law and being ignorant is accepted by some people in society :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I guess the people stealing guns, raping children and shooting at rescue aircraft were just part of the "right wing" media bias too huh? I still don't understand why breaking the law and being ignorant is accepted by some people in society :doh: It's part of the "deflect and refocus" that Chomerics was talking about. "Deflect" the fact that people are acting like savages, and "focus" that attention onto the President, who (as everyone knows) wanted this tragedy to occur in the first place because somehow, it makes him look good, makes him richer, bla bla bla. I've been away for a week and some things never change around here. I bet there could be a news story on CNN about a cat eating a bird, and some people from ES would turn it into a political debate. I'm not going to say one way or another who was wrong/what should have been done. It's real easy to sit back and judge the decisions someone else makes/doesn't make in the heat of the moment. Its far different when you are in the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 6, 2005 Author Share Posted September 6, 2005 Society broke down, it is what happenes when there is no law. You read Lord of the Flies right? The book could be used in a correlation study on parallels between NO and itself. Chom they didn't freak in Lord of the Flies till they were there weeks, we are talking only days here. If I lost my home and everything I wouldn't turn into a savage in less then a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 They acted like savages because that is what they already were. These were not upstanding, law abiding citizens who turned to rape and murder. These were the dregs of society. Already criminals in thier own right. They should be shot on site. They provide nothing of value to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I also read reports where they pinned the police up in a station overnight under fire. wtf is wrong with some people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 If I lost my home and everything I would turn into a savage in less then a week. Why's that not a suprise coming from Jbooma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Gang infected areas suffer violence after a tragedy.....I'm shocked. Gang members are cold blooded killers under normal conditions, replace law and order with chaos and it's no surprise that they ramp up their activities as well. It's sad but it's predictable. Also let's be honest, we tend to be a "me first" society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Why's that not a suprise coming from Jbooma? :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Gang infected areas suffer violence after a tragedy.....I'm shocked. Gang members are cold blooded killers under normal conditions, replace law and order with chaos and it's no surprise that they ramp up their activities as well. It's sad but it's predictable. Also let's be honest, we tend to be a "me first" society. Sad, but very true. Add in the prisoners that escaped to the mix and you have a bunch of people running around with no moral values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 6, 2005 Author Share Posted September 6, 2005 Why's that not a suprise coming from Jbooma? :laugh: forgot the n't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 All this is a result of the welfare state we have build in this country. This has nothing to do with blacks or whites it has to do with people living generations on government handouts. The same thing would happen in any city that has a large population on welfare. As for the gangs I guess we have all forgot what happened after ther RKing trial in LA. They needed a reason to riot and they found it. Same thing in NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Troops Find Grisly Scenes in New Orleans NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 6 (UPI) -- Troops scouring New Orleans for survivors and victims reported finding at least 40 mutilated bodies in the Convention Center refugee center.Arkansas National Guardsman Mikel Brooks told the New Orleans Times Picayune many of the dead were elderly, or showed signs of trauma. "There's another one in the freezer, a 7-year-old with her throat cut," he said. As the searches became more organized since the Aug. 29 onslaught of Hurricane Katrina, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said repair crews had patched the ruptured levee along the 17th Street Canal and had begun pumping out water. The failure of the levee system after the storm left about 80 percent of the city flooded up to 20 feet deep, and Corps officials said it would take nearly three months to drain some neighborhoods, CNN reported. Deputy Police Chief Warren Riley told reporters that thousands of people -- many of them with pets -- are insisting on staying in what he called "a hazard." "We advise people that this city has been destroyed. It has been completely destroyed," Riley said. Copyright 2005 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 All this is a result of the welfare state we have build in this country. This has nothing to do with blacks or whites it has to do with people living generations on government handouts. The same thing would happen in any city that has a large population on welfare. As for the gangs I guess we have all forgot what happened after ther RKing trial in LA. They needed a reason to riot and they found it. Same thing in NO. I'm sorry but I fail to see the logic or reason in your thought process. How exactly is this the product of the welfare system? Gangs are mostly funded by drug money so I don't see how welfare plays a role there. Are you assuming the people causing trouble are all on welfare? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLadyRaven Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 All this is a result of the welfare state we have build in this country. This has nothing to do with blacks or whites it has to do with people living generations on government handouts. Somehow I dont see the citizens of greater welfare societies such as Finland, Denmark and Sweden doing this after a natrual disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I guess the people stealing guns, raping children and shooting at rescue aircraft were just part of the "right wing" media bias too huh? I still don't understand why breaking the law and being ignorant is accepted by some people in society :doh: Where did I say what they did was right? I never defended them, and this started happening on Wednesday, after two days without supplies. I am not defending any deplorable actions, and I really wish you people would stop assuming this. I am in fact telling you WHY this happened, and WHAT happened. If you read the Lord of the Flies, you will see what happens when society breaks down, people act like savages, they rape, kill, murder etc. They do this because there IS no law. Laws are ment to keep man from destroying man, if there were no laws, anarchy rules the day, this is what we saw. Now, if you had no food or water, would you think it was OK to "loot" a store for sustance? I know I would. In fact, i saw a LOT of video showing this exact thing. There was an elderly man with a shopping cart taking care of the children. He was robbing a store of all the diapers, formula, baby witpes, bottles etc. and rationing them out to mothers with children. Do you consider this a justified, or do you still think this man was arrogant and and ignorant people like myself are justifying him breaking the law? It's a good question for you to answer, seeing how you framed your last post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 It's part of the "deflect and refocus" that Chomerics was talking about. "Deflect" the fact that people are acting like savages, and "focus" that attention onto the President, who (as everyone knows) wanted this tragedy to occur in the first place because somehow, it makes him look good, makes him richer, bla bla bla. I've been away for a week and some things never change around here. I bet there could be a news story on CNN about a cat eating a bird, and some people from ES would turn it into a political debate. I'm not going to say one way or another who was wrong/what should have been done. It's real easy to sit back and judge the decisions someone else makes/doesn't make in the heat of the moment. Its far different when you are in the fire. Read my reply to Mexico, then tell me if you still think this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Chom they didn't freak in Lord of the Flies till they were there weeks, we are talking only days here. If I lost my home and everything I wouldn't turn into a savage in less then a week. Oh, so it is just a matter of timing with you. It is OK after three weeks, but not three days. Gotcha, I was wondering how you would justify that. Are these actions horrible? Yes they are, and there is no justification for some of the disgusting atrocities that happened down there. But saying that, I am also not naieve to think the circumstances had absolutely nothing to do with it. Ask youself this question, was this brutalization of humanity going on before the hurricane? (I understand there are sick people in the world, but not to the extent we witnissed.) Do you think the fact that these people had no food, no water, and the cops were powerless to stop them increased or decreased their desire to cause distruction and violence? All I am saying is that the circumstances played the MAIN role in causing this calamity, and I also know the people who committed this act are vile dispicable individuals, but I will never lose sight of the fact of WHY it happened, and what can happen when there are no laws or rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I'm sorry but I fail to see the logic or reason in your thought process. How exactly is this the product of the welfare system? Gangs are mostly funded by drug money so I don't see how welfare plays a role there. Are you assuming the people causing trouble are all on welfare? Please explain. If you read my post again I didn't equate gangs and welfare although it does have a baring on how these kids endup in gangs. What I said the reason so many people seemed lost and didn't know what to do is because all their lives they have depended on the government to take care of them. Naturaly we can't say everyone of ALL as you say in your post but the majority. They had a chance to leave and they didn't. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mexico Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Read my reply to Mexico, then tell me if you still think this way? Chomerics, I understand why you feel that this is happening I just don't think that it's right, im not saying that you do, I just don't agree with your reasoning. Taking food to survive is one thing, stealing guns and hurting people is quite another. (p.s. I was not calling you ignorant, I was calling the people commiting these acts ignorant.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 All this is a result of the welfare state we have build in this country. This has nothing to do with blacks or whites it has to do with people living generations on government handouts. The same thing would happen in any city that has a large population on welfare. As for the gangs I guess we have all forgot what happened after ther RKing trial in LA. They needed a reason to riot and they found it. Same thing in NO. Really? Do you mean treat people like dregs of society and they will behave like that? Well, you get to test out your hypothesis in a few months, after these people have been assimilated into society for a while. Then we can really see if this is just a result of the "welfare state" (which was reformed by Clinton BTW, at least stay up to date on your politics :doh: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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