inmate running the asylum Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 :munchout: Below are the stats for the 4 preseason games just ended and you can see why I'm worried about our chances. In order for us to have any chance at the playoffs, we have to have much better quarterbacking than in the past and to be able to beat our NFC East opponents. :paranoid: But Ramsey hasn't looked very confident in the pocket this preseason, in spite of this being his 4th year in the league. When he wasn't making bad decisions, he was holding onto the ball too long and taking unnecessary sacks, instead of throwing the ball away. Eli Manning on the other hand is only in his 2nd year and had an impressive QB rating of 135.5. Chew on this bone for awhile Bulldog......... instead of eating all that Puss n' Boots. :laugh: Passing Stats for 4 Preseason Games: Player Att Comp Yds Comp% Yds/Att TD INT Sk/Lost Rating E. Manning 17 9 203 52.9 11.9 3 0 3/46 135.5 D. McNabb 51 34 495 66.7 9.7 5 2 5/33 114.4 D. Bledsoe 45 29 287 64.4 6.4 2 0 4/24 97.2 P. Ramsey 51 30 418 58.8 8.2 2 4 4/22 65.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Let's quit bashing our quarterback. He's obviously on a short leash this year considering JC being drafted and Brunell playing well. I'm willing to see what Ramsey can do...if he falters, it won't be for lack of having a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Bledsoe also got to play the 4th game against Jacksonville's backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vnmenon1 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Wait, which defenses did ramsey face? The Ravens, Panthers, Steelers, and Bengals? Those are the top defenses, besides ours, and he didnt even have a running game (Portis didnt play too much). Read into it if you want, however it is the preseason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Let's quit bashing our quarterback. He's obviously on a short leash this year considering JC being drafted and Brunell playing well. I'm willing to see what Ramsey can do...if he falters, it won't be for lack of having a chance. Yeeper. He is getting a chance. Welcome to jungle. Eat or be eaten. You make the $$$$. Time to earn your spot, if not, there is someone behind you ready to go. That just the way it is. I have seen to many mechanical problems and mental errors to feel confident he will get it done. Can he. Sure. There is always a chance. But I think if he is ever going to be really good, he needs to play somewhere where he is going to be given a longer lease. IMO, only way he makes it is if they ride Portis and our RB and give Ramsey some candy passes to Coley for a while until he gets lots of game minutes to mature. I dont think we are going to be riding Ramseys back if the other stuff isnt happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Lets judge Pram when the real bullets start flying...He is a gamer, he plays his best in game situations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday I like Ramsey as our starting QB. Tuesday, Thursday and Friday I like Brunell. Sunday I'd like to see Campbell start and was pissed Gibbs didn't give him any snaps with the first stringers. TRADE RAMSEY, CUT BRUNELL, CAMPBELL IS THE MAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Lets judge Pram when the real bullets start flying...He is a gamer, he plays his best in game situations... I agree, let's judge him at the break after two real games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Yeeper. He is getting a chance. Welcome to jungle. Eat or be eaten.You make the $$$$. Time to earn your spot, if not, there is someone behind you ready to go. That just the way it is. I have seen to many mechanical problems and mental errors to feel confident he will get it done. Can he. Sure. There is always a chance. But I think if he is ever going to be really good, he needs to play somewhere where he is going to be given a longer lease. IMO, only way he makes it is if they ride Portis and our RB and give Ramsey some candy passes to Coley for a while until he gets lots of game minutes to mature. I dont think we are going to be riding Ramseys back if the other stuff isnt happening. Don't get me wrong...I'd like Ramsey to take us to the playoffs. I just don't think, considering the improvement in Brunell, that he'll be safe at .500 football, especially if the running game is clicking and his passes aren't...are you willing to have another 6-10 year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted September 5, 2005 Author Share Posted September 5, 2005 Let's quit bashing our quarterback. Who's bashing? I'm just saying I'm worried and giving you guys the comparison stats. What have you seen that makes you so sure Ramsey is going to get the job done this year, other than wishful thinking? Ramsey has looked pretty much like the QB I saw last preseason in my opinion. :munchout: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I would be a bit concerned if this offense was built around a vertical attack, but considering that this team will run the ball, run it some more, and then run it again, I feel comfortable in chalking up his performance as an abberation. The truth is, we haven't even seen a tiny fraction of how this offense will play when the regular season starts. We don't know how teams will react when Portis starts ripping off one 6 yard gain after another. We haven't see what Gibbs has in store for our TEs, espescially Cooley. We have seen very little motion and pre-snap movement so far, and contrary to what Gibbs is letting on I fully expect us to see more of it and I expect to see it executed well. It's obvious we're not going to be successful lining up and spraying the ball around like we're the 1999 Rams or the 2002 Redskins. We will have to be fundamentally sound, not turn the ball over and establish the run. If we do those things, I firmly believe that we have the pieces at WR and TE to seriously hurt teams and I expect Ramsey to have the kind of year everybody wants him to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Don't get me wrong...I'd like Ramsey to take us to the playoffs. I just don't think, considering the improvement in Brunell, that he'll be safe at .500 football, especially if the running game is clicking and his passes aren't...are you willing to have another 6-10 year? Nope. Not sure what you took from my first post. I am neither in Ramseys camp or out of it. Its time to get it done. If he does, great, if not, Brunell. Gibbs always wants to win but last year was more about the system in getting his feet wet. This year, its going to be all about the Ws. Now, it Ramsey is playing great and we are loosing, thats one thing, but if we are playing great and he isnt getting it done, its going to be A night at the Apolo. Sandman is going to stroll in and seee ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I stopped caring about the preseason four weeks ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Doesn't change the fact that I hold my breath every time I see him drop back to pass. Can any Ramsey defenders explain to me why I shouldn't feel that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Who's bashing? I'm just saying I'm worried and giving you guys the comparison stats.What have you seen that makes you so sure Ramsey is going to get the job done this year, other than wishful thinking? Ramsey has looked pretty much like the QB I saw last preseason in my opinion. :munchout: There will be no facts or objective comments please. They will not be allowed. Only blind devotion or blind critism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Nope.Not sure what you took from my first post. I am neither in Ramseys camp or out of it. Its time to get it done. If he does, great, if not, Brunell. Gibbs always wants to win but last year was more about the system in getting his feet wet. This year, its going to be all about the Ws. Now, it Ramsey is playing great and we are loosing, thats one thing, but if we are playing great and he isnt getting it done, its going to be A night at the Apolo. Sandman is going to stroll in and seee ya Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Doesn't change the fact that I hold my breath every time I see him drop back to pass. Can any Ramsey defenders explain to me why I shouldn't feel that way? Thants a great point. Of the 2. If you just do this kind of gut check. How scared are you . Every time Ramsey drops back ? Every time Brunell drops back ? I would have to side, hands down, that Im much more comfortable getting up to go take a leak knowing when I return we will still have the ball, if Brunell is behind center. LOL I have to use Rogain because of Ramsey. Thats really the bottom line. Ramsey cost $20 a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 If our running game was not as solid as it is....I would be MUCH mor concerned. But, I do hope that if PR can't handle it against the Bears....that he is NOT thrown out there against Dallas. NOT ONLY is it a Monday night game.....they are inducting into the Ring of Honor. The boys are going to be primed. Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 If HE ain't worried, I ain't worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogskin1 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 It gets pretty scary looking at our QB prospects, when even the PR fans say that they are satisfied with him because of our RUNNING game. So, in other words, if we run enough, he won't have enough opportunities to lose the game. That is not MY attitude, but the way. I have been EXTREMELY disappointed in PR, but as long as Joe keeps him as the starter, I will continue to root for him, and hope like hell for the miracle turnaround in his skills. But if that does not happen at some point early in the season, I would hope that Brunell will get another shot. He appears to be much healthier this year (no leg/knee problems), and it showed in the authority and success of his passing game. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!! HAIL, YES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmorris Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I don't care what his stats are..so long as he's winning games. That's what it comes down to. I'd say all the peices are in place around him, now it's time to get it done. We'll have a lot of questions answered next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Take away the 4 picks and he rises to the top. I know you can't do that, but the reality here is Patrick is the only young, inexperienced QB still learing a new system AND with new receivers. The rest have had more consistency. Bledsoe vast experience help him, and if you look, he is only averaging like 6 yards a toss, and apparently has played much against backups. Can't look at these numbers and make any predictions, just can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmiJo Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Take away the 4 picks and he rises to the top. I know you can't do that, but the reality here is Patrick is the only young, inexperienced QB still learing a new system AND with new receivers. The rest have had more consistency. Bledsoe vast experience help him, and if you look, he is only averaging like 6 yards a toss, and apparently has played much against backups.Can't look at these numbers and make any predictions, just can't do it. PR is a 4th year player, and in his second year with this coach. Please look up where the four QBs listed ahead of Ramsey in this post were in their 4th year. I suspect ahead of where he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Who's bashing? I'm just saying I'm worried and giving you guys the comparison stats. Which doesn't mean jack. Who were they facing? Did everyone have their starters in? Fact is, preseason stats don't say all that much about regular season performance. What have you seen that makes you so sure Ramsey is going to get the job done this year, other than wishful thinking? Ramsey has looked pretty much like the QB I saw last preseason in my opinion. :munchout: Actually, he looks much better this year. He looked pretty lost last year. This year, he made some plays and was able to manage the offense. Sure he looks a little shaky at times, but I do think he can get the job done in this offense, particularly if good stuff happens early for him. I think right now is just a confidence issue. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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