ExtremeSkins Staff Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Best of all we are tied for the lead in fewest sacks allowed with 3.....thats it 3...3 in 3 games....**** yeah!!!!! We have enabled a profanity filter to block words such as the one you have in your sentence. We would prefer to see you select other words to express your views, but, where you need to use profanity, please type it in full so our profanity filters will catch it and block it all. We'll get the idea what you mean and don't need the hidden profanity in posts. Thanks. ES Staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octane67 Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 hate to be the devils advocate here, but this thread is a little too homer.... umm anyone see that we are 3rd worst in turnovers ?? that our 14.7 points/game is horrible and near the bottom of the pack... yet are defense gives up 20.7 pts/gm (a td difference) I bring these numbers up only in an effort to show that we have a long ways to go to becoming the NFL elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 hate to be the devils advocate here, but this thread is a little too homer....umm anyone see that we are 3rd worst in turnovers ?? that our 14.7 points/game is horrible and near the bottom of the pack... yet are defense gives up 20.7 pts/gm (a td difference) I bring these numbers up only in an effort to show that we have a long ways to go to becoming the NFL elite. Absolutely. We do look better this pre-season than last pre-season, but that could mean anything really. My general feeling about pre-season games is that I never like to win them all or lose them all. (For some reason that makes me feel like we were either a) trying too hard to win and not work on other things or we just plain stink. ) Other than that (and injuries), I don't really take much out of them. But it's fun to mess around with the numbers. Especially during a slow work day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCb37 Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Its a good sign and I am actually surprised to see us ranked that way. It didnt seem like we were doing that well when watching the games....we didnt score a lot and that's the problem. Good yardage though but its the points that matter! We are 26th in points scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 hate to be the devils advocate here, but this thread is a little too homer....umm anyone see that we are 3rd worst in turnovers ?? that our 14.7 points/game is horrible and near the bottom of the pack... yet are defense gives up 20.7 pts/gm (a td difference) I bring these numbers up only in an effort to show that we have a long ways to go to becoming the NFL elite. Not get too far into mind-numbing stats, but the turnover stat you mention is a product of low take-aways by the defense...that' s how they calculate that stat. And if we keep the ball away from Nemo, we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Complete Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 We are tied for 2nd lowest number of Offensive penalties at 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octane67 Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 I agree lack of injuries is the best preseason stat of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 I agree lack of injuries is the best preseason stat of all. Amen. And bite your toungue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 One thing I noticed in the Steelers game is that everything still goes to hell when we're blitzed. The Steelers didn't do it at all during the scoring drive, but before that, we seemed to have trouble dealing with it. Didn't give up a sack, but didn't execute either. But all in all, I am definitely encouraged. Our receivers are getting tons of seperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriangleSkinsFan Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Just wanted to add that I posted this in a similar thread yesterday. A review of many of these numbers all in one place... Preface: These are Stats from the preseason so they are not really as telling as real game stats but here they are for what it's worth, which is to be interesting. Total Offense: Washington is ranked 2nd in the league This is huge change from the last regular season and I'm sure it has a lot to do with airing it out latley. Still it is a definite improvement which is good. 2004 end of preseason ranked 29th in Total offense. Total Penalities: Washington has 19. One other team has 19 and one team has 12. No other teams are below 20. Only 3 teams in the league has less total penalty yards. Another big improvement over last regular season. 2004 Preseason ranked 30th in penalties at the end of the preseseason with 45. Turnover ratio: Washington is tied for 2nd to last with a ratio of -6. This was a problem last regular season as well. Hopefully the interceptions are just part of the airing out process and will diminsh during the regular season. 2004 Preseason ranked about 6th (several ties) with a ratio of +4 Total Defense: Ranked 18th overall 2004 Preseason ranked 9th in total defense None of this really means anything when it comes down to it. But some of it is encouraging. Member: 28955 Edit/Delete Message Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 we're an offensive jaggernaut :thumbsup: Is that like a jager bomb?? Not to be a downer or anything, but if you look at scoring offense, the Skins rank near the bottom. Which was the problem last year. Doesn't say anything about this year, in my opinion, but it does say something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 And we are 5th from the bottom in scoring and that is what wins games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissarmy47 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Cumulative stats in the preseason are kinda pointless, b/c you can run those up by keeping your starters in longer. If I ran a team with one of the elite QBs, you can bet he'll only get a few snaps, and our stats will be largely skewed by the backups. With the Skins, we sorta have two guys that are maybe kinda in between backup and starter quality, and they are responsible for like 98% of our pass plays - so hopefully they should be better than say Indy or NE's #2 and #3 guys... That said, one stat that I felt WAS really telling for us last year was Passing Yards Per Attempt. To me, this is probably the most telling passing stat, and also a very important offensive stat as most yards are typically gained passing the ball. 2004 - Top 5 Passing Yards / Attempt 1) Colts 2) Vikings 3) Chiefs 4) Broncos 5) Steelers 2004 - Worst 5 - Passing Yards / Attempt 32) Bears 31) Ravens 30) Redskins 29) Dolphins 28) Cardinals Now take a look at that and just use your general knowledge and opinions about last year's offenses. To me that pretty much sums up the best and worst offenses, perhaps with a few slight adjustments. Even the Steelers snuck in there b/c its a measure of passing efficiency - still shows how the run helps the pass. Now lets look at 2005 Preseason: 2005 Preseason - Top 5 Passing Yards / Attempt 1) Rams 2) Vikings 3) Broncos 4) Eagles 5) Redskins Sure its still preseason, but last year my issues with the passing game were: - we (Brunell) completed a very low percentage - we (Brunell, Ramsey somewhat) hardly got any yards on the rare occasion that we did complete a pass I can at least accept a low completion percentage if we're chucking it down the field, getting decent yards per completion and/or attempt, stretching the defens - but we weren't. We basically just sucked at the "easy" short stuff, and were non-existent in the medium/long stuff. Thoughts? PS - my thanks to MS Excel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 we threw the ball in preseason on purpose to help work out the kinks. the coaches know that we have two capable backs and a line that can open holes. what I think the surprise will be for the Bears on opening day is HOW good the backs and line are and how much yardage the Skins get on the ground I agree with this assessment 100%. The Bears may have the Worst "O" in the league this season , but there "D" is going to be really good. They may have a top 5 "D" line and some very capable LB's. If there "O" could keep the "D" off the field and help to keep them fresh they would definately be a top 5 "D". We are going to have to run the ball right at them and wear them down. This is not going to be an easy game for us. It will give us a good idea of how effective our running game is going to be this year. If we can run against the Bears we will be able to run against anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Ranked #2 in overall offense and #1 in the NFC.http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-TOTAL/2005/pre?sort_col_1=4 All preseason stats: http://www.nfl.com/stats Can't read too much into it. We're number 2, but only 1 win to show for it. A lot of those yards were made with backups against backups. So it's clearly skewed. I hope we can keep it up in two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Let me add that upon further research, on offense we were 8th in pass attempts and 1st in rush attempts last pre-season ... as we played 5 games. That says alot. We were 29th in production yet we were top 5 in attempts overall. This year we are #2 in production. I don't expect to be that good during the season either but if we are Top 15 we will win our share of games. All they have to do is keep from committing the stupid turnover like they did at many crucial points in games last season. Hell, even having one of the worst offenses in the league last year, we would have won 2-3 more games by just not committing stupid turnovers. This team, this year will be a lot better than people think. Just like the 82 and 87 Redskins were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriangleSkinsFan Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Stats are just indicators, like symptoms of a disease, they are not the real problems or strengths. Points win games (unless you are KC). You can have the # 1 offense but if you don't score points you don't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 we threw the ball in preseason on purpose to help work out the kinks. the coaches know that we have two capable backs and a line that can open holes. what I think the surprise will be for the Bears on opening day is HOW good the backs and line are and how much yardage the Skins get on the ground I agree. I also think that they'll be surprised by how well we can get the ball downfield if they try to stack men in the box to stop the run. This game figures to be a coming out of sorts for the offense in its new, more aggressive persona. It may be somewhat artificially inflated given the offensive struggles that I suspect Chicago will have, however we should appear a lot different from last year in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indatrenches Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 The most important stat is that we are 5th in the league on 3rd down percentage. Formally: newskinsowner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I think some of you are being a bit shortsighted in analyzing the stats from preseason...yeah, they don't really mean too much other than being a gage of improvement, but that's a pretty important gage for a team like the Skins. The Patriots and Eagles don't have to worry about improvement, just consistency. They may LIKE to see improvement, but if they're playing consistent with how they played last season, then they're content... That's why wins don't mean jack in the preseason...and believe it or not, points scored don't mean as much as you would imagine, either. In the regular season, scoring drives are dependent upon playcalling as much as they are on execution. How much either team during preseason emphasizes the right mix of plays as the game goes on is anyone's guess. Would Gibbs call an abundance of passing plays if his only goal was to score every drive??...Highly doubt it. So improvement is what the Skins need to see, not just from last year, but from week to week. In that regard, consider these extra stats: The Skins starters were outscored in the first preseason game 14-3...since then, the Skins starters have improved and closed the gap, being outscored 24-20...and one of those opponent scores was an interception returned for a TD, so it could have (should have?) been the Skins outscoring their opponents 20-17. The total yards so far by the starters ( or first half yards)...broken down by game, it looks like this: 1st game: 143 yds 2nd game: 221 yds 3rd game: 230 yds Again, you see improvement, no backsliding by the Skins offense. And by the way, here are some yard stats from 2004...not the preseason, but the regular season..and these are yards per game for the entire game, not just the half: Week 4 - 265 yds Week 5 - 107 yds Week 9 - 229 yds Week 10 - 268 yds Week 11 - 213 yds Week 12 - 156 yds Week 16 - 233 yds For the record, only one of these games was a win (week 9 against Detroit). Again, those are yardage totals for entire games...that this same offense is now, in the preseason, putting up as much yardage in one half than the starters did in entire games last season shows definite improvement, and reason for optimism. And it's not simply because they're passing more...it's because they're completing the passes, the same passes they could NOT complete just last season. The points will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Stats are just indicators, like symptoms of a disease, they are not the real problems or strengths. Points win games (unless you are KC). You can have the # 1 offense but if you don't score points you don't win. I've been researching and writing about this topic since early July and been mostly ignored. Suffice to say that analysis of 2004 and 2003 NFL stats clearly show that for the Redskins, increasing our yards per attempt is the key to making the playoffs this year. I get tired of reading simpleton explanations like scoring more points is all it takes. Points and even point differential is not as good an indicator of who will make the playoffs as measurments that take into account net yards gained per offensive play minus net yards given up per defensive play. That is the key measure that predicts which teams make the playoffs. I'm satisfied that the Redskins have done all they can to improve yardage per pass attempt and are showing success in pre-season. PR threw for 7 plus yards per attempt against PB's first string defense. That's all the improvement we need to put us in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNeverDie Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 ...The thing that popped out at me is we have the LEAST penalties of every team...not the least yards i think we are 3rd in that category...but other than the turnovers...according to the stats we seem to be a disciplined offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriangleSkinsFan Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 No one is saying that scoring more points is all it takes. Just that an offense that is effective at moving the ball but not at scoring points isn't enough to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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