jds84 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Alright, I want to preface my ramblings by first stating that I AM a Ramsey fan. Given the potential meltdown in New York (i.e. Manning's elbow), we may have a unique opportunity where we have a team that is severely lacking where we seem to have some newfound depth. This may be the only time Gibbs will have to pull a reasonable trade for Ramsey. Let's be honest, Brunell and Campbell are his guys...not Ramsey. This would give Brunell one more year (perhaps two) to shine while Campbell gets his pro legs in order. Now for the trade...who do we want? Pierce and a draft pick. End of discussion. And I honestly believe this would be the best thing for Ramsey as well. Jesse Palmer and Tim Hasselback....Hasselback has some potential but can't touch Ramsey right now. The Giants need Ramsey and Ramsey needs (and deserves) a fresh start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 You never trade within the division You never trade a QB within the division You never trade a QB with such intricate knowledge of the offense like Ramsey has within the division We may as well just give the Giants our playbook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4comp Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 What he said. :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 this isn't Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHUBAKAH Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Ditto, Give him to AZ or someplace like that. I'm just kidding, relax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jds84 Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 1) If on any given Sunday we have up to 1200 plays in our playbook then who cares if Ramsey knows the playbook. 2) Even if he gives away all of our formation, etc. it's not like Musgrave and Gibbs have created the next coming of the counter trey....we are all running very similar plays. 3) In division or conference, even if we traded Ramsey to the New York Jets he would still spill the beans. Gibbs got here and got Brunell. Ramsey finished the season last year and Gibbs gets Campbell. Ramsey may have forgiven him the first time but I'm sure that he still has a bad taste in his mouth since the Draft. If Ramsey has a good or bad year, he will want to leave. This year is his dog and pony show for free agency in the offseason. There is no reason to get defensive about a situation where both parties (Gibbs and Ramsey) want Ramsey gone. I like Ramsey, wish he would stay but I don't think it's realistic with the obvious direction and decisions of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refuze Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Not going to happen. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 :laugh: Wouldnt happen in a billion years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 First of all, SkinsHokieFan is absolutely correct on all points. Second, it is way too early to even be entertaining the idea of a trade. (Well, maybe not way too early). Last, but not least; if we had to trade at all, I would really wish for the possibility of working out a trade with Cinncinati for Kitna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Why would the Giants trade a draft pick and Antonio Pierce for a quarterback when they just mortgaged their future with Eli last year? So Patrick Ramsey can fill in for one year? I don't even think Eli's injury will be serious enough to keep him out a whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jds84 Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 :laugh:Wouldnt happen in a billion years. I thought that about Pierce too....and where did he go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jds84 Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 First of all, SkinsHokieFan is absolutely correct on all points. Second, it is way too early to even be entertaining the idea of a trade. (Well, maybe not way too early). Last, but not least; if we had to trade at all, I would really wish for the possibility of working out a trade with Cinncinati for Kitna. Kitna?! Are you kidding me? Brunell is better right handed than Kitna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Kitna?! Are you kidding me? Brunell is better right handed than Kitna. :doh: Ok, I thought that you wanted a serious conversation. I'm outta hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jds84 Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 Why would the Giants trade a draft pick and Antonio Pierce for a quarterback when they just mortgaged their future with Eli last year? So Patrick Ramsey can fill in for one year? I don't even think Eli's injury will be serious enough to keep him out a whole season. You are assuming that the injury is not that bad. Also, you are assuming that Eli is as good as Peyton much less going to succeed at the NFL level. He has yet to prove his worthiness and I don't think Coughlin could stomach it if he had to throw away the season with Palmer or Hasselback at the reigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 There seems to be some inversely proportional relationship between the period of time left before the start of the season and stupid threads on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 You are assuming that the injury is not that bad. Also, you are assuming that Eli is as good as Peyton much less going to succeed at the NFL level. He has yet to prove his worthiness and I don't think Coughlin could stomach it if he had to throw away the season with Palmer or Hasselback at the reigns. So Coughlin thinks that lowly of Eli Manning but thinks that highly of Patrick Ramsey, based on speculation alone, that he would trade away Antonio Pierce, who they JUST signed, and a draft pick? And then to make sure Patrick Ramsey is in a good situation, Coughlin would cut Manning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Wrong on so many levels. Gibbs named Ramsey the starter at the end of last season. Gibbs re-did the playbook to tailor it to Ramsey's strenghts. Ramsey has already went through OTA's, mini camp & training camp as the starter, taking the starter's percentage of snaps. Who'd be the 3rd string QB? Tupa? Trading Ramsey now makes as much sense as those Cerrato bashers who claim "If he's so good why was ESPN the only job he could get?" when Marty fired him after the Draft. Any team at that point that didn't have a GM, wasn't going to hire one as they already had thier game plan together. You know, like Gibbs did when he named Ramsey the starter & re-tooled the playbook to fit Ramsey's strenghts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 There seems to be some inversely proportional relationship between the period of time left before the start of the season and stupid threads on this board. I concur, but you have to admit, these threads provide some entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I thought that about Pierce too....and where did he go? You probably thought that about Pierce before his contract demands didn't coincide with the teams future and before you realized the defense would be fine without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jds84 Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 There seems to be some inversely proportional relationship between the period of time left before the start of the season and stupid threads on this board. Way to indirectly insult your fellow ES members...must be how you've overinflated your post count...and perhaps your ego as well. If you don't something to evolve the actual topic then stay the hell of my thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Kitna?! Are you kidding me? Brunell is better right handed than Kitna.Ok you guys...you all are starting to scare me now. Can I get a laugh or two at this one. I'm starting to feel like I am in the Twilight Zone. :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 indirectly? Heck, I thought posting in THIS thread and making that comment made it direct? I need to work on that. Perhaps demonstrating some judgment before posting this trade idea? We have to draw a line somewhere on this forum between the merely impulsive and the ridiculous. It's well known that I actually do try to refute even some of the more absurd comments. That I don't feel the need to do so for this reveals the general perception of the topic. I'm not saying you are dumb, I'm saying the thread is...Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Alright, I want to preface my ramblings by first stating that I AM a Ramsey fan. Given the potential meltdown in New York (i.e. Manning's elbow), we may have a unique opportunity where we have a team that is severely lacking where we seem to have some newfound depth. This may be the only time Gibbs will have to pull a reasonable trade for Ramsey. Let's be honest, Brunell and Campbell are his guys...not Ramsey. This would give Brunell one more year (perhaps two) to shine while Campbell gets his pro legs in order. Now for the trade...who do we want? Pierce and a draft pick. End of discussion. And I honestly believe this would be the best thing for Ramsey as well. Jesse Palmer and Tim Hasselback....Hasselback has some potential but can't touch Ramsey right now. The Giants need Ramsey and Ramsey needs (and deserves) a fresh start. First, it would be ridiculous to trade for Pierce's contract. If we were willing to pay Pierce's contract, we would have just paid him the money instead of letting him go to New York. The cap-friendly move would be for us to trade them Brunell ... maybe that would also help quiet some of the rampant QB controversy... How about Brunell for Timmy ... I miss Elizabeth Hasselbeck already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jds84 Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 Wrong on so many levels.Gibbs named Ramsey the starter at the end of last season. Gibbs re-did the playbook to tailor it to Ramsey's strenghts. Ramsey has already went through OTA's, mini camp & training camp as the starter, taking the starter's percentage of snaps. Who'd be the 3rd string QB? Tupa? Trading Ramsey now makes as much sense as those Cerrato bashers who claim "If he's so good why was ESPN the only job he could get?" when Marty fired him after the Draft. Any team at that point that didn't have a GM, wasn't going to hire one as they already had thier game plan together. You know, like Gibbs did when he named Ramsey the starter & re-tooled the playbook to fit Ramsey's strenghts. I agree, this "idea" wouldn't be in line with current actions of the team. But don't tell me we wouldn't trade Ramsey just b/c Gibbs named him the starter. That is only a reward of past performance, not future. We all know well and good that if Ramsey does not improve early this year that Brunell will get another chance. As for 3rd string...Spinner. Or the earlier Kitna idea may work as well. It doesn't have to be the Giants. That just seems to be the opportunity of the moment. But if Ramsey doesn't get traded prior to the end of the season, then we get nothing in exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I thought that about Pierce too....and where did he go? UH he wasn't "traded" to the Giants. Joe Gibbs is not going to trade in the division with any player. and not a potential starter especially a qb 2 Gibbs has setup everything to have Ramsey as his starter.... he's not going to junk it 3 weeks before the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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