Spaceman Spiff Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by BD Threads like this remind me of the number of bleeding idiots on this board. I'm sorry, but Jacobs has been here exactly two full seasons. His first season was lost to an injury that was both freakish (how many ruptured spleens happen on the field in a given NFL season?) and life-threatening (if he hadn't gotten to the hospital when he did, he could have died from what amounts to a severe internal poisoning). He was almost 100% healthy, last year, and he played in 15 games, but he was buried on the depth chart behind Coles, Gardner, Thrash, and even McCants. Now he gets dinged up in preseason and everyone starts talking about cutting him? A 2nd round pick who's only been in the league for two full seasons, who's barely had consistent time on the field because he's been the #4 receiver at best? Check your heads. BD #4 receiver at best = expendable and replaceable with mccants or dyson. bye taylor, go sit on someone elses IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbeskin Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by bubba9497 what injuries did he have last season when he played ST in every game? He had a splinter in his left pinky toe all season; quite horrific, didn't even know it, played through the whole season! I'm actually talking out of my buttocks! I have no clue what I'm talking about, just really bored at work. May the semi-intelligent conversation resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTaylor22 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Jacobs chances on making and being productive on this team are widdling away. I hope he gets it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenster95 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by BD Threads like this remind me of the number of bleeding idiots on this board. I'm sorry, but Jacobs has been here exactly two full seasons. His first season was lost to an injury that was both freakish (how many ruptured spleens happen on the field in a given NFL season?) and life-threatening (if he hadn't gotten to the hospital when he did, he could have died from what amounts to a severe internal poisoning). He was almost 100% healthy, last year, and he played in 15 games, but he was buried on the depth chart behind Coles, Gardner, Thrash, and even McCants. Now he gets dinged up in preseason and everyone starts talking about cutting him? A 2nd round pick who's only been in the league for two full seasons, who's barely had consistent time on the field because he's been the #4 receiver at best? Check your heads. BD Excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Voice of Reason What does my age have to do with this discussion? Given that you offered absolutely no support for your assertion that Jacobs was injury prone and was therefore expendable, what else did we have to go on besides your age. Do you have any explanation for your conclusion, or are you just talking into your hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenster95 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff #4 receiver at best = expendable and replaceable with mccants or dyson. bye taylor, go sit on someone elses IR And you base this on what? Jacobs has speed and is a great, precise route runner. That said, I don't think anyone can really formulate an opinion on Jacobs right now, other than to accept at face value Gibbs and his staff's view that Jacobs greatly improved himself in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk4theHall81 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by bubba9497 what injuries did he have last season when he played ST in every game? Outside of one catch in a meaningless game against the Vikings and a few special teams tackles, what did he do last year??? The bottom line for me is, if you were picked in the 2nd round by your 3rd year you should be contributing, so far Jacobs hasnt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk4theHall81 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Can the kid have an opinion or does he have to have 5000000 posts to have one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Monk4theHall81 Can the kid have an opinion or does he have to have 5000000 posts to have one... Oh sorry. Let's just make this board into a list of unsupported opinions without any comment on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 It's baffling to me how a guy with 19 catches for 215 yards in his entire career thus far is so highly regarded. Jacobs has the tools to succeed but until this process becomes a reality, he is not going to be extended the benefit of the doubt. As fans, most of us are rooting for him to put it all together and have a breakout season. However, considering his previous history as well as his current injury status, I believe that it's quite foolish to bestow high expectations upon a player who quite frankly, hasn't performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk4theHall81 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 I understand that but the kids 16, give him a break, you can move on with the topic without ripping the kid, you and bubba show your age, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by goldenster95 And you base this on what? Jacobs has speed and is a great, precise route runner. That said, I don't think anyone can really formulate an opinion on Jacobs right now, other than to accept at face value Gibbs and his staff's view that Jacobs greatly improved himself in the offseason. Originally posted by Drex It's baffling to me how a guy with 19 catches for 215 yards in his entire career thus far is so highly regarded. Jacobs has the tools to succeed but until this process becomes a reality, he is not going to be extended the benefit of the doubt. As fans, most of us are rooting for him to put it all together and have a breakout season. However, considering his previous history as well as his current injury status, I believe that it's quite foolish to bestow high expectations upon a player who quite frankly, hasn't performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk4theHall81 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 The reason hes even on the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Talent or not, his durability is a question in my book. I was high on him when he first got here, but I STILL havent been able to see much of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbones Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Drex It's baffling to me how a guy with 19 catches for 215 yards in his entire career thus far is so highly regarded. Jacobs has the tools to succeed but until this process becomes a reality, he is not going to be extended the benefit of the doubt. As fans, most of us are rooting for him to put it all together and have a breakout season. However, considering his previous history as well as his current injury status, I believe that it's quite foolish to bestow high expectations upon a player who quite frankly, hasn't performed. Think of players like Greg Lewis in Philly and Tyrone Calico in Tennesee. Very similar career #'s, all 3rd year recievers, and all have fans excited by their potential. Like someone mentioned before, Michael Irvin was an unknown his 1st couple of years in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty P For The Pulitzer Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Why is everyone ready to cut him or put him on IR when there's no definitive word how long he's going to be out for? We need all the help we can get at WR, and everything I've read that Gibbs and the coaching staff have said about Jacobs was very positive. Let's wait and see what he can do when he actually gets a chance to play. And he hasn't even started his 3rd season yet, so those of you who said the 3rd year is when WRs need to step up maybe should give him a 3rd year so he can try to. And no, rupturing your spleen does not make you fragile. One of the toughest guys on my high school team, who never got hurt or missed a practice, ruptured his spleen in a freak play. I still have hope for Jacobs, and I think he's going to be a good contributer when he gets back. I'll take him over Dyson anyday. Dyson will never be the player he was, while Taylor could still be a really good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by frankbones Think of players like Greg Lewis in Philly and Tyrone Calico in Tennesee. Very similar career #'s, all 3rd year recievers, and all have fans excited by their potential. Like someone mentioned before, Michael Irvin was an unknown his 1st couple of years in the league. Interesting that you bring up Calico's name. In the 2003 draft, Jacobs, (#44)was selected ahead of Calico,(#60) as well as others in the 2nd/3rd round. This list of receivers include the following: Bethel Johnson #45 Anquan Boldin #54 Kelly Washington #65 Nate Burleson #71 Kevin Curtis #74 Each one of those receivers have performed above the level that Jacobs has displayed thus far. Two of them, Burleson and Boldin, are actually #1 caliber receivers on their respective ballclubs. Hindsight is 20/20, but the fact that we could have had one of these guys, in addition to Jacobs' inability to perform and to stay uninjured, is mainly the source of the problems that I have with placing any level of medium to high expectations upon him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Tooth Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by KingTaylor21 Jacobs chances on making and being productive on this team are widdling away. I hope he gets it together. You act like he has chosen to be injured..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Drex Interesting that you bring up Calico's name. In the 2003 draft, Jacobs, (#44)was selected ahead of Calico,(#60) as well as others in the 2nd/3rd round. This list of receivers include the following: Bethel Johnson #45 Anquan Boldin #54 Kelly Washington #65 Nate Burleson #71 Kevin Curtis #74 Each one of those receivers have performed above the level that Jacobs has displayed thus far. Two of them, Burleson and Boldin, are actually #1 caliber receivers on their respective ballclubs. Hindsight is 20/20, but the fact that we could have had one of these guys, in addition to Jacobs' inability to perform and to stay uninjured, is mainly the source of the problems that I have with placing any level of medium to high expectations upon him. None of those receivers you listed except for Curtis had a tandem like Coles and Gardner in front of them either, and Curtis' career stat line is 36 434 12.1 2. Stop the presses! Jacobs was not a Gibbs pick, and yet Gibbs has gone out of his way to praise him and make room for him in his plans. That should tell you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 The drafting of Jacobs in the second round was actually a good pick at the time. Most mock drafts had him going in the first round. I believe thet are just being careful with his toe and giving chances to see other receivers before the cut down next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty P For The Pulitzer Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Drex Interesting that you bring up Calico's name. In the 2003 draft, Jacobs, (#44)was selected ahead of Calico,(#60) as well as others in the 2nd/3rd round. This list of receivers include the following: Bethel Johnson #45 Anquan Boldin #54 Kelly Washington #65 Nate Burleson #71 Kevin Curtis #74 Each one of those receivers have performed above the level that Jacobs has displayed thus far. Barely. Burleson and Boldin obviously have. But they didn't have 2 proven starters ahead of them. Bethel hasn't shown much besides shagging kicks and running WR reverses. Calico played in one game last year, so he must be injury prone too. The other 2 have put up #3 numbers and are both 2 years older than Jacobs too (Curtis is actually 3 years older than him). I'd be an idiot if I wouldn't take Boldin or Burleson over Jacobs, but I'm not ready to say I'd take any of the other ones over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by redman None of those receivers you listed except for Curtis had a tandem like Coles and Gardner in front of them either, and Curtis' career stat line is 36 434 12.1 2. Stop the presses! Jacobs was not a Gibbs pick, and yet Gibbs has gone out of his way to praise him and make room for him in his plans. That should tell you something. It does tell me something. Obviously, Gibbs sees his potential as the team did when they decided to bestow the status of #2 draft selection upon him. However, its unwise to accept as a foregone conclusion that Jacobs will in fact live up to his "potential", especially considering his injury history/inability to get on the football field as well as the performances thus far of the WR's selected directly beneath him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Fatty P For The Pulitzer Barely. Burleson and Boldin obviously have. But they didn't have 2 proven starters ahead of them. Prior to last season, Burleson was not the #2 and definitely not the #1 receiver on the Vikings. He was behind the likes of none other than Randy Moss himself, as well as Marcus Robinson who despite lacking the credentials of the aforementioned Moss, has had a 1,000 yard season in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Tooth Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 I think people on this board have finally given up on bashing Ramsey for a couple of days and have turned their attention to attacking Jacobs. Get a grip. The kid has potential, he has just been hurt a lot by injuries. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Potential without durability doesnt help much. All his potential cant help if he is on the sideline taking up a roster spot. Didnt Desmond Howard have a bunch of Potential? So did Heath Shuler, and what did they do for us? I agree he has talent, but he's brakes too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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