PleaseBlitz Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Portis is the most talented back. Jones is second, but raw. Tiki had a great season last year because he was the only weapon on that offense. Westbrook is great because he has the best talent around him. I rank them in that order. Running games are NOT 1 man shows though. Thank god Jansen is back. Good to see the NFC east coming back to being a smash-mouth, run it down your throught conference. Enough of the Fun and Gun BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by PleaseBlitz Portis is the most talented back. Jones is second, but raw. Tiki had a great season last year because he was the only weapon on that offense. Westbrook is great because he has the best talent around him. I rank them in that order. Running games are NOT 1 man shows though. Thank god Jansen is back. Good to see the NFC east coming back to being a smash-mouth, run it down your throught conference. Enough of the Fun and Gun BS. Excellent point.. It's clear that most of us expect Portis to dominate completely this year lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEREAFTER Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 1. Tike Barber--If I'm building a franchise it's Portis but I have to give the nod to Tiki as the best all around back in the division RIGHT NOW. With over 1500 yds rushing, 500+ receiving, 4.7ypc, 15 total td's he beats Portis in every category mentioned. One of my biggest areas for a RB is big runs and he has 11 20+ yard runs to CP's 5. Also Tiki Barber is well entrenched and ALREADY a perfect fit into the NY offensive system. 2. Clinton Portis--- One of the most prolific if not the most prolific first two seasons for a RB ever while with the Broncos. Although 1300+ yards in an anemic Redskins offense shows that he's not just a system back, he's yet to show the same impact and explosiveness outside the RB machine that is the Denver Broncos (everybody watch Tatum Bell this year). His athletecism and ability are undisputable, we just need to see how all the changes help him in the skins revamped offense. 3. Brian Westbrook------While he is the inferior "pure RB" of the group, BW's explosiveness and big play ability as a receiver make him arguably the most dangerous. Also, over 800+ yards rushing with a 4.6 avg is nothing to laugh at. He is a poor mans Marshal Faulk and the only back of the group that could possibly achieve 1,000yds rushing and receiving. This guy can line up anywhere and is a match-up nightmare. 4. Julius Jones---- The homer in me would like to rank him higher but it's just not reasonable to do so just YET given his inexperience. I believe everyone else on the list has been to atleast one pro-bowl. He has the vision and all the tools to make a big splash this year in the division and the league. JJ just needs to prove that he can stay healthy. If last years final 8 games are an indication of what's to come, these rankings could very well be shaken up big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomadskin11 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 2004-2005 Rushing Only 1. Barber - Tremendous rushing season, yards, yard per carry, lack of fumbles, TD's etc. 2. Portis - Gutted out 1,300 yards in a banger season- how many "finesse" runners could do that? 3. Westbrook - 4.6 yards per carry average was the second best in the NFC East behind Tiki's 4.7 4. Jones - clearly great potential, but played only half the season and had a 4.2 yards per carry average. He did however, have 7 rushing touchdowns in that shortened season. 2004-2005 Overall 1. Brian Westbrook - 1,500+ all purpose yards, 9 TD's - key element/home run hitter for playoff team 2. Tiki Barber - 2,100+ all purpose yards, 15 TD's - Tiki forced to carry load for non-playoff team with ?'s at QB and Receiver - responds with great season 3. Clinton Portis - 1,500+ all purpose yards, 1 throwing TD, 8 TD's altogether - similar to Tiki in that team with ?s at QB and Reciver forces him to carry load; different in that he ran in a new system for both the team and himself. 4. Julius Jones - 900+ all purpose yards, 7 TD's in 8 games. Still darn good. 2005-2006 predictions Rushing Only 1. Clinton Portis - has shown he can be durable - added muscle in the offseason - tweaked scheme, speedy receiving core, and top O-line will create numerous home-run opportunities. 2. Julius Jones - will stay healthy and be asked to carry much of the load. Will respond with good season. 3. Tiki Barber - W/ team upgrades at reciever positions, and focus on developing Eli Manning, Barber will carry less of the load. Inconsistent season to season play will also rear its head a bit. 4. Westbrook - will continue doing what he is asked to, including not needing to run the ball as much as the others. 2005-2006 predictions Overall 1. Clinton Portis - "Breakout Year" will include availability and use as a major receiving threat; open field abilities will translate into large gains/home-runs. 2,400 all purpose yards, 15 TD's for playoff team. 2. Westbrook - Will continue excellent overall play; similar numbers to last season; question mark on injury status. 3. Barber - will dip in receiving opportunities/yards given acquisition of Plaxico Burress, retention of Amani Toomer, and predicted resurgence of Shockey. 4. Jones - Very talented runner. OK receiver. To be seen whether Parcell's will make him a part of the receiving pln. All of this being said, all of the starting RB's in the NFC East are excellent and will be exciting to watch. Can't wait for the season to start, dangit!! - nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Unseld Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I know Tiki had a great year last season but doesn't anyone else think he's about to be on the decline? He's taken 9 years of NFL beating on his body and he's now 30 years old. Remember what a 30 year old Eddie George looked like? If I'm building a franchise I go: 1. Clinton Portis (I'm a homer and I believe this) 2. Julius Jones--I hate to say it, but look at that guy's numbers from just 1/2 a season last year. Here's to hoping he's injury prone--nothing major just nagging injuries that keep him from playing against the Skins 3. Tiki- Maybe a slight edge over Westbrook b/c Westbrook is injury prone but I think Westbrook has been under rated here 4. Westbrook--see above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 It seems the overwhelming majority here sees Portis as the best all-around RB with a few nods to Barber. Is it homerism at work? I'd like to see this poll posted in another teams website. Or even all 4 sites. Run Clinton, run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I'd like to know what basis Portis is ranked above Barber who was clearly more productive in every facet that you would use a RB. Barber is number 1 and there is a long way to number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 I'd like to know what basis Portis is ranked above Barber who was clearly more productive in every facet that you would use a RB. Barber is number 1 and there is a long way to number 2. Because the two years prior to last season Portis put up better numbers than Barber had ever put up in his entire career, and it was only year #1 and #2 for Portis in the NFL. I always thought that Barber was incredibly underrated (he's made a living out of killing the Eagles), but he and Portis are very close. You really can't go wrong with any of the RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Hand Loki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz Because the two years prior to last season Portis put up better numbers than Barber had ever put up in his entire career, and it was only year #1 and #2 for Portis in the NFL. I always thought that Barber was incredibly underrated (he's made a living out of killing the Eagles), but he and Portis are very close. You really can't go wrong with any of the RBs. Thank you, E_L. Westbrook, how much AFC football did you watch 2-3 years ago? If anyone here is a fan of a team that played Denver during that period, they should know how absolutely sick Portis is. I know people are going to cite the Bronco's scheme and line, but he did things after he got through the holes that few people, even among NFL RBs, are capable of. It's not even close. If you want to base this on numbers, read the stats and recite the list. If you want to base it on talent, you need to do some evaluating of the players, and CP is far ahead of the rest of these guys in that department. Once again, you're making arguments that make no sense given your previous statements. Weren't you the one who claimed Gibbs misused Portis? If he's so far behind Barber, how'd he get 1,300 yards? Or is it that Portis is super-talented, and Gibbs is a fool? I forget which Redskin-affiliated person you decided to denigrate in this particular thread. You may think you can make opposing arguments in different threads to stir sh!t up and get away with it, but more here than you think are on to your ways. It's pathetic, and entirely more obvious than you seem to realize. Stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I think Portis is absoultely fantastic. Don't misread what I say. I just think Tiki is one of the top 3 all around RBs in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Hand Loki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Alright, I guess I misread what you are saying, but how can you justify that opinion of Barber, without pointing to the statsheet? EDIT: without -merely- pointing to the statsheet. I'm not trying to ignore them altogether, but I need a little more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 NFC East: 1. Tiki 2. Portis 3. Jones 4. Westbrook All Around: 1. Tiki 2. Portis (needs to catch more balls, has shown ability to) 3. Westbrook 4. Jones Running Attacks by team: 1. Skins 2. Eagles 3. Giants 4. Dallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Chachie It seems the overwhelming majority here sees Portis as the best all-around RB with a few nods to Barber. Is it homerism at work? I'd like to see this poll posted in another teams website. Or even all 4 sites. Run Clinton, run. I think that Barber and Portis are practically neck and neck. I give a slight edge to Barber b/c he had more yds than CP with a banged up O-line and ??? at QB. That aside, I really think that Portis is going to have at least a 1,500 yd. season. Especially if CP breaks out the belt he could easily be the best RB in the NFCE. But clearly Portis, Barber and Jones should have great years in 05' I think Westbrook will have a solid All-purpose yard year as well, but again I think he's much more dangerous out of the backfield as a reciever (and I think WB36, EL and the other Eagles here will agree with me). Again, I'm sold Betts will also have a decent season just giving Portis a breather (500+ yds I think is very achievable for LB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 NFC East: 1. Tiki 2. Portis 3. Jones 4. Westbrook All Around: 1. Tiki 2. Portis (needs to catch more balls, has shown ability to) 3. Westbrook 4. Jones Running Attacks by team: 1. Skins 2. Eagles 3. Giants 4. Dallas WB36, I would tend to agree with that, except for the Running Attacks section. How do you have the Eagles at 2 since they are primarily a short pass WC system? 1. Skins 2. Giants 3. Cowboys 4. Eagles That's my op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by goskins WB36, I would tend to agree with that, except for the Running Attacks section. How do you have the Eagles at 2 since they are primarily a short pass WC system? 1. Skins 2. Giants 3. Cowboys 4. Eagles That's my op. My thinking is when the Eagles ran the three headed monster, they had one of the most dynamic rushing attacks in the NFL. Now, Duce is gone, but you add Moats to the equation, along with what I think will be a MUCH BETTER run blocking line with Shawn Andrews being back, and I think the Eagles will be able to run very well when Andy Reid wants to run the ball. After Tiki Barber, what do you have left in NY? Brandon Jacobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 My thinking is when the Eagles ran the three headed monster, they had one of the most dynamic rushing attacks in the NFL. Now, Duce is gone, but you add Moats to the equation, along with what I think will be a MUCH BETTER run blocking line with Shawn Andrews being back, and I think the Eagles will be able to run very well when Andy Reid wants to run the ball. After Tiki Barber, what do you have left in NY? Brandon Jacobs? I think you and I are thinking a little differently when you say rushing attacks.....are you refering to depth/quality or quantity? I'm thinking quantity where I think the Skins are clearly #1 (we like to run the ball down your throat and control TOP). The Eagles don't do that normally (unless you count Mcnabb breaking loose). Now if you're thinking quality (different running styles and effectiveness of run attack) then I get your point. Both the Skins and the Eagles have alot of depth in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burger13 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 1.Tiki 2.Jones 3.Portis 4.Westbrook Tiki is awesome and wildy underrated. Jones is great, he will probably be considered the best back in the NFC by year's end. Portis is very good, but he needs to prove that his dip in production last year wasn't because he was a product of the Denver system. Westbrook is an electric player, but he isn't a back who can carry the ball 20-25 times per game, and wouldn't be the same outside of Philly's system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEREAFTER Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 Running Attacks by team: 1. Skins 2. Eagles 3. Giants 4. Dallas I believe this assessment is terribly flawed. Dallas has a proven 1,000 yd rusher in A-train that will most likely become 3rd string. BP is giddy about Marion Barber III and Julius Jones damn near outRUSHED Westbrook in half a year!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER I believe this assessment is terribly flawed. Dallas has a proven 1,000 yd rusher in A-train that will most likely become 3rd string. BP is giddy about Marion Barber III and Julius Jones damn near outRUSHED Westbrook in half a year!? a 1000 yard rusher, who did it like 3 years ago. 1000 yards isn't a big deal anymore. 1300+ is something to note. and just cus a coach is hyped for a mid round running back, doesn't mean he's good. i mean, everyone here is hyping the hell out of McCune, doesn't mean he's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEREAFTER Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by [[ghost]] a 1000 yard rusher, who did it like 3 years ago. 1000 yards isn't a big deal anymore. 1300+ is something to note. and just cus a coach is hyped for a mid round running back, doesn't mean he's good. i mean, everyone here is hyping the hell out of McCune, doesn't mean he's good. Very true and while a 1,000 yds. can no longer be considered as elite status, the milestone certainly is still the benchmark as a good NFL season for a running back. A-Train went over 1,000 yards twice the last being the season before last (03/04). That is a pretty good resume for your back up. "Wouldn't you agree?" (I stole that one from Art:laugh: ). I only brought up our 4rth rounder to point out that he may beat out A-train according to whispers surrounding Cowboy camps. I think in Jones, Thomas, and Barber we MAY have one of the strongest rushing attacks in the league let alone the NFC East. Just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNoRevs Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 1. Tiki Barber. I read that the only reason that he got so many yards because he was the focus of the offensive game plan. Well if that's the case, even more props to him.... He may be on the decline but after last year its hard to put him other then first. 2. Clinton Portis. Just the way he plays with so much heart and still had a very productive season behind what some say was an average O line last year that didn't cater to his running style. 3. Brian Westbrook. When teams say that he is more important in game planning against then T.O, then I don't think there is a bigger compliment then that. Maybe not the best runner of the group, but who says you have to run to be dangerous as a RB? 4. Julius Jones. Its pretty scary to say that the NFC east lowest rated RB is him. He showed great strength, speed, moves and patience and looks like an absolute steal for Bill Parcells. As someone said before, at the end of his career, he might be considered better then anyone in this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted July 8, 2005 Author Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by burger13 1.Tiki 2.Jones 3.Portis 4.Westbrook Tiki is awesome and wildy underrated. Jones is great, he will probably be considered the best back in the NFC by year's end. Portis is very good, but he needs to prove that his dip in production last year wasn't because he was a product of the Denver system. Westbrook is an electric player, but he isn't a back who can carry the ball 20-25 times per game, and wouldn't be the same outside of Philly's system. I can stomach Portis under Tiki, but not under Jones, that's pushing it a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYFootballGIANTS Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 From last year, I think it's 1. Barber 2. Portis 3. Westbrook 4. Jones Upcoming year, it is 1. Portis 2. Jones 3. Barber (Hopefully he'll be third because we'll have a passing attack for balance ) 4. Westbrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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