RunRiggoRun Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by Kevin101 Pierce=System LB Where was he when he was on the bench for a few years til injuries and the best D coordinater around came?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 All of a sudden, Pierce's abilities are in question because he is no longer with the Redskins. Come on guys. I admit, Williams has a great system but Pierce has the intelligence and knowledge of football itself that makes him good. Emmons is very solid and showed he is back from his injury at the end of last year. The big question is that third spot. It isn't a given that Griesen wins the job. He will be battling Torbor who I hope wins the job. Torbor has much better skills than Griesen and would make this a very good LB'ing corps in New York. Until I see who wins the third spot, I wouldn't put the Giants at the top. I was very surprised to see an Eagle fan show so much respect to the Giants at all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocono Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] All of a sudden, Pierce's abilities are in question because he is no longer with the Redskins. Come on guys. I admit, Williams has a great system but Pierce has the intelligence and knowledge of football itself that makes him good. Emmons is very solid and showed he is back from his injury at the end of last year. The big question is that third spot. It isn't a given that Griesen wins the job. He will be battling Torbor who I hope wins the job. Torbor has much better skills than Griesen and would make this a very good LB'ing corps in New York. Until I see who wins the third spot, I wouldn't put the Giants at the top. I was very surprised to see an Eagle fan show so much respect to the Giants at all though. What happened to Barrett Green? Isn't he going to be the Giants WIL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkart Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] All of a sudden, Pierce's abilities are in question because he is no longer with the Redskins. Come on guys. I admit, Williams has a great system but Pierce has the intelligence and knowledge of football itself that makes him good. Emmons is very solid and showed he is back from his injury at the end of last year. The big question is that third spot. It isn't a given that Griesen wins the job. He will be battling Torbor who I hope wins the job. Torbor has much better skills than Griesen and would make this a very good LB'ing corps in New York. Until I see who wins the third spot, I wouldn't put the Giants at the top. I was very surprised to see an Eagle fan show so much respect to the Giants at all though. People (not saying you)just as easily dismiss Barrow for missing a season due to injury ( or what ever it was) even though he lead the NFC maybe even the NFL i can't remember at the moment in tackles the previous three years when with the Giants. And we had AP for the same amount of years and he only excelled in GW's system. So like others I'm skeptical as to how good he is outside GW's system. obviously we'll find out this year. Skins Eagles Giants Dallas Is that better jrockster77, or should it have been Barrow's. I'm just not a grammar expert!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by Beaudry I must have watched a different ProBowl last February. I remember seeing Washington in the game, but who are these other 2 ProBowl linebackers you mention? When I said "Three Pro-Bowl linebackers", I obviously did'nt mean that we had three linebackers in last seasons Pro-Bowl...(come on man). Arrington is a Pro-Bowler, Barrow is a Pro-Bowler and Washington is a Pro-Bowl linebacker. Explaining even further, meaning that they have all been to the Pro-Bowl. Hence..."Three Pro-Bowl linebackers". Capeesh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by Art I think he may mean Barrow and Arrington who have been Pro Bowl linebackers as well, but that's just a guess. Exactly, good guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] All of a sudden, Pierce's abilities are in question because he is no longer with the Redskins. Come on guys. I admit, Williams has a great system but Pierce has the intelligence and knowledge of football itself that makes him good. Emmons is very solid and showed he is back from his injury at the end of last year. The big question is that third spot. It isn't a given that Griesen wins the job. He will be battling Torbor who I hope wins the job. Torbor has much better skills than Griesen and would make this a very good LB'ing corps in New York. Until I see who wins the third spot, I wouldn't put the Giants at the top. I was very surprised to see an Eagle fan show so much respect to the Giants at all though. Tom, I think most Redskin fans appreciate all Pierce did for us as he really stepped up huge. But, it is HARDLY all of a sudden his abilities are called into question. He's a guy who could get very little playing time for three years under three different coordinators, and he'd never have seen the field if Barrow didn't have a freak injury he couldn't recover from. He's certainly a very nice player for you and he was the best middle linebacker in the NFC last year. But, until he does it more than once, it's a very big question whether it was mostly Pierce and his ability that allowed him to have a pretty nice year last year, or, whether it was Williams and his system that seemed to allow every single member of the defense to have career best seasons. If it was ONLY Pierce who did well we'd probably have done everything to keep him. But, the entire defense had their best years as pros. It's hard to think Williams doesn't have something to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkart Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 What he :point2sky said . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Originally posted by Art If it was ONLY Pierce who did well we'd probably have done everything to keep him. But, the entire defense had their best years as pros. It's hard to think Williams doesn't have something to do with that. This needs to be posted on the front page!!! ATTENTION, ALL CHICKEN LITTLES: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Originally posted by Monkart People (not saying you)just as easily dismiss Barrows Barrows? How many of them do we have on the team? Sorry Monkart....couldn't resist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest amaprius Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Please dont count Khary Campbell. He will be released if he hasnt already been. McCune is going to be a monster though. Marshall, Smith, Holdman and Barrow will all compete hard for the MLB spot and any of them is good enough to upgrade the spot over Pierce who had one good year and will be hard pressed to repeat it since Gregg Williams doesnt coach for the Gints. By the way....How good was the Gints defense last year?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Originally posted by amaprius Please dont count Khary Campbell. He will be released if he hasnt already been. McCune is going to be a monster though. Marshall, Smith, Holdman and Barrow will all compete hard for the MLB spot and any of them is good enough to upgrade the spot over Pierce who had one good year and will be hard pressed to repeat it since Gregg Williams doesnt coach for the Gints Dude, every single one of the coaches loves Kary Campbell. Why would you think he is going to be cut? Do you have a link or anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Portis Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 List: Skins Eagles Giants Cowboys I liked the Eagles better without Trotter. I was rooting for Cleveland to win it. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest amaprius Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Give me a link saying he is wonderful and loved. He sat out last season with an injury if memory serves. So how do you know he is good? He hasnt shown himself to be great previously. He is a barely capable backup LB and with Holdman, Smith, LA, Washington, Allen, Marshall, McCune, Keasey and Clemons competing for spots he will be odd man out.along with others. personally I think Clemons will be cut and Keasey and Newberry wil got to the practice squad. Allen will stay as an ST player only and backup only if someone goes down. :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkart Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Originally posted by jrockster77 Barrows? How many of them do we have on the team? Sorry Monkart....couldn't resist! That's alright jrockster, you can't help that you are Anal-retentive when it comes to grammar. You must be constantly corrected by someone in your life that you feel you must nit-pick every mis-spelled or mis-pronounced name on this web-site. But please do me a favor and save it for someone else, I already keep the webster link handy thanks to you OK?(for which I thank you, that one sentence was a mess). I make my living through math not spelling, I have a Journeyman's card for Mold Making, and currently I'm Supervisor of all Secondary Operations in a Plastics Molding company. I design and program fixtures and program CNC's and also run 3 shifts of about 16 employees, so I'm not an idiot. I'm just not that great with grammar.(Thank God for MSN E-mail spell check) But I do enjoy coming to ES to chat and read others views,humor,comments (including yours) about the Skins and football. If they had a grammar test to get on this site, a lot of us wouldn't be members.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg28daman Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Skins Eagles Giants Cowboys Thats the margin between us when healthy and all the other division teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohioskinfan Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I agree, when healthy, Skins hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20Finnie Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Barrett Green is the Giants starting Weakside Lnebacker, not Nick Greisen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20Finnie Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] All of a sudden, Pierce's abilities are in question because he is no longer with the Redskins. Come on guys. I admit, Williams has a great system but Pierce has the intelligence and knowledge of football itself that makes him good. Emmons is very solid and showed he is back from his injury at the end of last year. The big question is that third spot. It isn't a given that Griesen wins the job. He will be battling Torbor who I hope wins the job. Torbor has much better skills than Griesen and would make this a very good LB'ing corps in New York. Until I see who wins the third spot, I wouldn't put the Giants at the top. I was very surprised to see an Eagle fan show so much respect to the Giants at all though. Torbor isnt skilled or experienced enough to play Weakside Linebacker. The starting job is between Greisen and Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Originally posted by amaprius Marshall, Smith, Holdman and Barrow will all compete hard for the MLB spot and any of them is good enough to upgrade the spot over Pierce who had one good year and will be hard pressed to repeat it since Gregg Williams doesnt coach for the Gints. Oh come one. Outside of Barrow, I don't see any of the guys you mention as clearly being good enought to upgrade the spot over Pierce. Pierce had a fine season and deserves some credit for stepping up and playing as well as he did. If it wasn't for Barrows I would be just as concerned as I was last year when he went down and Pierce emerged as our starting MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkart Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Originally posted by jrockster77 Dude, every single one of the coaches loves Kary Campbell. Why would you think he is going to be cut? Do you have a link or anything? DUDE !!! you are HUMAN!!!! :wavetowel you mis-spelled Khary, even when it was correctly spelled right in front of you. Sorry I didn't see this before I gave you a long winded response for correcting me :doh: Can't we all just get along!!:laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Originally posted by laurent Oh come one. Outside of Barrow, I don't see any of the guys you mention as clearly being good enought to upgrade the spot over Pierce. Pierce had a fine season and deserves some credit for stepping up and playing as well as he did. If it wasn't for Barrows I would be just as concerned as I was last year when he went down and Pierce emerged as our starting MLB. Laurent, Let me ask you this. On this date a year ago who was Antonio Pierce? A lesser able, lesser proven player in comparison to who Holdman or Marshall are today, right? Holdman HAS played a little in the middle. Marshall hasn't, but, had nearly a full season as a starter. Right now both would be ahead of where we were as a team in July or August last year, with an unproven Pierce playing a position he'd never played. He did play well, there's NO doubt about it. But, again, EVERY SINGLE DEFENSIVE PLAYER on the roster had a career-best season -- save perhaps Wynn who was steady but maybe not his best. This statement obviously excludes guys mostly injured . Why would we not have some tip of the cap that what Pierce did, while fantastic, is not exactly the stuff of legend when we have an entire roster of defensive players who played great for this coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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