Tarhog Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Pretty freaky stuff if true. Re-animator here we come http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.html By Nick Buchan of NEWS.com.au June 27, 2005 Eerie ... boffins have brought dead dogs back to life, in the name of science. SCIENTISTS have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans. US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years. Pittsburgh's Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research has developed a technique in which subject's veins are drained of blood and filled with an ice-cold salt solution. The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity. But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock. Plans to test the technique on humans should be realised within a year, according to the Safar Centre. However rather than sending people to sleep for years, then bringing them back to life to benefit from medical advances, the boffins would be happy to keep people in this state for just a few hours, But even a this should be enough to save lives such as battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds, who have suffered huge blood loss. Duing the procedure blood is replaced with saline solution at a few degrees above zero. The dogs' body temperature drops to only 7C, compared with the usual 37C, inducing a state of hypothermia before death. Although the animals are clinically dead, their tissues and organs are perfectly preserved. Damaged blood vessels and tissues can then be repaired via surgery. The dogs are brought back to life by returning the blood to their bodies,giving them 100 per cent oxygen and applying electric shocks to restart their hearts. Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage. "The results are stunning. I think in 10 years we will be able to prevent death in a certain segment of those using this technology," said one US battlefield doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillherb Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Take me first...they say only the good die young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Made Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Wow that is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaudry Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 When you think of how far we have advanced with technology, it is truely scary to think about what will be changed medically by the end of our lifetimes. I'm envisioning the vampire from Underworld (or was it Blade II?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 This can't be for real... How are they going to test that on Humans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama This can't be for real... How are they going to test that on Humans... Dammit Code! I found it on the internet man - its GOT to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama How are they going to test that on Humans... exactly...that's crazy. i wonder how they got that research funded. i wonder why they didn't try some type of glycerol solution. it works for frogs and for me when i store yeast/bacteria. I wonder if there is some type of flush necessary to get rid of the salt or if its painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 That is really freaky. All I can picture is Pet Cemetary gives me the willies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by Tarhog Dammit Code! I found it on the internet man - its GOT to be true :laugh: My bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 and the dog is still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfox45 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama This can't be for real... How are they going to test that on Humans... its gotta be real, look how angry that dog looks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYFootballGIANTS Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 We're that much closer to making all those zombie movies a reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 It seems like what they do is induce 'death' but the dog isn't dead until it's dead and gone for good. Meaning what we REALLY HAVE HERE, and something that's been going on(tests) for at least a decade is SUSPENDED ANIMATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaudry Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin Meaning what we REALLY HAVE HERE, and something that's been going on(tests) for at least a decade is SUSPENDED ANIMATION. Hasn't Pixar been doing that for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMetal Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 What the f*ck is a "boffin" ?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Sounds like the scientist is a big fan of the movie Flatliners or Frank Zappa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama This can't be for real... How are they going to test that on Humans... Likely a gunshot or accident victim whose next of kin gives consent. People will agree to almost anything given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Stay, Rex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 What it would really allow you an advantage in would be massive blood loss situations. You could pump this stuff continuously (even if you were losing it as quickly as you administered it, something you can't do with blood obviously. It would give you a much larger window to make repairs without having to sustain vital signs, tissue oxygenation. I know theres a lot of science being done on hypothermia. Its been known for decades that you could revive a cold water drowning victim up to an hour after drowning - sometimes even with no evidence of brain damage. Considering 4-5 minutes is all it takes in normal temperatures to destroy brain tissue, thats pretty incredible. In an ER setting, they say 'they're not dead until they're warm and dead'. They're using a version of this theory in treating strokes as well. There is a lot of research that if you can cool the body (even a couple of degrees) the lesser oxygen needs of the brain at that temp will save brain tissue. But what they're talking about here (if its anything close to being true) is a quantuum leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 "Boffin" is a slightly pejorative word that refers to scientists--it conjures up insane old men in lab coats. News.com.au isn't the most reliable source in the world, and I can't find this news elsewhere. Why would this site have the only article about something US scientists are doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 http://www.safar.pitt.edu/content/programs/safar/index_safar.html The Center exists and it has been funded. I've long heard of this kind of research, even on the Today show. So while the wording and description are probably off(boffin, for example) the research does exist. There's a reason Buddha invented Google search, gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 I'm pretty skeptical as well AtB Not that the research is going on - I'm sure it is - but to the point that this is going to be feasible on a practical scale anytime soon. Although the internets never let me down before :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by Tarhog I'm pretty skeptical as well AtB Actually Tarhog, I found a link to the medical paper written by the research scientists. You have to pay for the paper though :mad: http://www.ccmjournal.com/pt/re/ccm/abstract.00003246-200412001-00081.htm;jsessionid=CAlMbMV2xVqn0tticEuh1bLVtAIysPiOLHT8px12rhPpENZJLxS7!-1049669964!-949856032!9001!-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Any of the lawyers on here know if this would be permissable in cases where people donate thier bodies to science or possibly organ donors? If nothing else it might be beneficial in transplants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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