WHo is a better Cornerback Deion Sanders or Darrel Green

[Gamebreaker]

Originally posted by Nerm

Is it ok if I answer a question with a question?

Why were four CBs named to the all decade team of the 80's and none of them were named Darrell Green?

Bias?

http://wap.nfl.com/history/legends/1980s

Both made the all decade team of he 90s.

Green was a great player, but he wasnt better in the 80s than Prime Time was in the 90s. You can argue that he had a better career, but he wasnt the impact player that Deion was on a game to game basis.

I see you didn't answer my questions. Why is that? Is it possible that you couldn't answer them honestly and still say Deion was better?

Your only point is Darrell wasn't on the all-decade team. Who were the people that made the choices. I'm sure there weren't any QBs who played aganist Green.

[GSF]

Originally posted by Nerm

Is it ok if I answer a question with a question?

Why were four CBs named to the all decade team of the 80's and none of them were named Darrell Green?

Bias?

You know the answer to that question Nerm. That list is as much about honoring careers that ended during the decade as performances during that decade, which is why Green got the honor in the 90s. Did you look at some of the other names on that list? Chuck Noll for example, who only had 1 winning season in the 80's, or Lee Roy Selmon who only played 4 seasons in the 80's. How about Jack Lambert who's best seasons were in the 70s. Mel Blount and Lester Hayes were the best corners in the league in the 70s, but other than Hayes' great season in 1980, neither of them did much in the 80s.

Now how about you take a shot at answering some of Gamebreakers questions.

[MaddogCT]

Originally posted by Nerm

Is it ok if I answer a question with a question?

Why were four CBs named to the all decade team of the 80's and none of them were named Darrell Green?

Bias?

http://wap.nfl.com/history/legends/1980s

Both made the all decade team of he 90s.

Green was a great player, but he wasnt better in the 80s than Prime Time was in the 90s. You can argue that he had a better career, but he wasnt the impact player that Deion was on a game to game basis.

Then you must not have seen him play.

Green made the Pro Bowl in his 15th season right next to...Deion Sanders. When Deion starts in his 15th season call me.

Deion cant be the best when, Green, who is supposed to be second to him makes the same pro bowl in his declining years as Deion does in his prime.

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[Nerm]

I agree that Green had a better career than Prime Time did at the CB position. But the original question was who IS the better CB. If you want to know who IS the better CB and not who WAS the better CB I assume every person on this message board would say Deion. After all, Deion still plays the game. If you want to ask the question who WAS the better CB, then I understand the debate.

I understand the sentiment on a Washington Redskins message board that the HOF voters don’t appreciate Redskins players and that they don’t understand what they are voting for when they vote on an all decade team. I think that fans on a particular team message board can do a much better job of objectively evaluating how good their team’s players stack up against the rest of the league’s players. The HOF voters don’t get how good the Redskins players are, but Extremeskins posters do (sarcasm off).

It all comes down to what you mean by “better”. I think that Emmitt Smith is the best RB of all time based on what he did in his career. However, if I had to choose one player, in their prime, to play one game for me at the RB position... I would chose Bo Jackson. I think Bo could do more at the RB position than any other player in NFL history. However, Emmitt is obviously the best RB of all time based on his career. The question is... what does “better” mean?

Does it mean whose career was better or who was a better player at their position?

Deion was a better CB. Green had a better career. The fact that people remember some of Green’s tackles does not change that. Just like a highlight catch by a RB doesn’t make them a better RB than Bo or Emmitt.

If you add in punt returns and WR play, it isn’t even close. Deion was a better CB and a better football player. Green did have a better career if you only consider his CB play.

[SamSneed36]

Green may not be playing but id bet on him in a foot race between the two.

Green did have a better career, and I think it does make him the better player. He had a better career because he played his heart out on every play and stayed humble. He was a great team player, never playing just for his own glory. Take Green any day.

[Henry]

Originally posted by Nerm

Is it ok if I answer a question with a question?

Why were four CBs named to the all decade team of the 80's and none of them were named Darrell Green?

Bias?

http://wap.nfl.com/history/legends/1980s

Both made the all decade team of he 90s.

Green was a great player, but he wasnt better in the 80s than Prime Time was in the 90s. You can argue that he had a better career, but he wasnt the impact player that Deion was on a game to game basis.

Nerm, that would be a fabulous argeument if Green entered the league in 1980 and played for 20 years. He didn't. He entered the league in 1983. Green's prime was 1984-1991, when he went to 5 pro-bowls in seven years. However, only three of those were in the 80s, while the other two were 90 and 91.

This does not mean that Green wasn't an elite corner during that span. It simply means that his prime time crossed two decades, so the voters picked one.

Oh, and I'm glad to see we can all agree that Marv Levy was a better coach in the 90s than Jimmy Johnson. It's so refreshing to see the un-biased view of the HOF selection committee.

[ccsl2]

I have been a Redskisn fan pretty much all my life...and I love Darrell Green...he is one of the best CB ever...but the best has got to be Deion...I have never seen a CB not even go into the huddle because his assignment on every play was "man to man"...not until Deion came along had I ever seen that...Deion didn't have to tackle well...you didn't pay him to tackle..you paid him to shut down the best receiver on the opponent's team...and he did that better than anyone...Does anyone remember, before Deion came along, when a Defense just pretty much played man to man on one side of the field basically the whole game?

[DaRock]

Oh man.......it's not even a ?

Green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gamebreaker]

Originally posted by Nerm

I agree that Green had a better career than Prime Time did at the CB position. But the original question was who IS the better CB. If you want to know who IS the better CB and not who WAS the better CB I assume every person on this message board would say Deion. After all, Deion still plays the game. If you want to ask the question who WAS the better CB, then I understand the debate.

I understand the sentiment on a Washington Redskins message board that the HOF voters don’t appreciate Redskins players and that they don’t understand what they are voting for when they vote on an all decade team. I think that fans on a particular team message board can do a much better job of objectively evaluating how good their team’s players stack up against the rest of the league’s players. The HOF voters don’t get how good the Redskins players are, but Extremeskins posters do (sarcasm off).

It all comes down to what you mean by “better”. I think that Emmitt Smith is the best RB of all time based on what he did in his career. However, if I had to choose one player, in their prime, to play one game for me at the RB position... I would chose Bo Jackson. I think Bo could do more at the RB position than any other player in NFL history. However, Emmitt is obviously the best RB of all time based on his career. The question is... what does “better” mean?

Does it mean whose career was better or who was a better player at their position?

Deion was a better CB. Green had a better career. The fact that people remember some of Green’s tackles does not change that. Just like a highlight catch by a RB doesn’t make them a better RB than Bo or Emmitt.

If you add in punt returns and WR play, it isn’t even close. Deion was a better CB and a better football player. Green did have a better career if you only consider his CB play.

You wrote all of that and didn't answer a single one of my questions. You're actually avoiding them. Why would anyone want to add in punt returns and WR play in a discussion about who was the better cornerback? You're reaching for something to say, and the sad thing is you don't even realize it.

I see you're trying to take the stance that just because we're Skins fans, that we couldn't ever be right in this discussion since we've chosen the player who played for the skins his whole career. Well, logic would suggest the facts would prove us wrong and not whether or not we're homers. Because regardless if we're all homers here, that doesn't change the fact that WE CAN BE right on this discussion unless proven otherwise.

As of yet, not one poster has supplied a real argument that Deion was the better cornerback, the Green camp has supplied many. Nothing beyond Deion scored more TD's is there any facts thrown around from the Deion camp. And under that criteria, Ronde Barber could be better than Darrell because he's scored a ton of touchdowns too. Should Ronde be in the hall of fame? :doh:

Here are the advantages that Green had over Deion:

- durability

- better tackling (didn't need help to bring anyone down)

- run support

- coverage skills (some of you will cry foul on this one, but until someone answers question #5 on my previous post than I'll go with the corner who never gave QBs the choice of whether to throw to his best reciever.)

Deion's advantages:

- size

- better hands

- better vision while running with the ball

[Gamebreaker]

Originally posted by ccsl2

I have never seen a CB not even go into the huddle because his assignment on every play was "man to man"...not until Deion came along had I ever seen that...Deion didn't have to tackle well...you didn't pay him to tackle

You pay EVERYBODY on defense to tackle, it's a part of being a cornerback. Darrell did alot better, just another reason why he was a better corner than Deion.

[ccsl2]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker

You pay EVERYBODY on defense to tackle, it's a part of being a cornerback. Darrell did alot better, just another reason why he was a better corner than Deion.

Tackling is a part, but it is not the main duty..the main duty is to cover the wide receivers ...and Deion did it better than anyone IMO...SF, Dallas, and even the 'skins overlooked his lack of tackling skills because of how great he was covering recievers and if he had a INT, there was a good chance he would turn the INT into 6 pts.

[nneece]

Neon Deon got all the press, but no doubt DG was the better player. Case in point, did anyone see DG play in the Marino vs. Young All Star game from last year. DG was still smokin' people.

[Darth Tater]

Takling not a primary job? You have a may to have to make a tackle or at least provide a significant threat to do so on EVERY play. You only need coverage skills on about half the plays and even if you screw up, others can cover for you. One of the biggest differences between Dallas' 2003 D and last years D was that the 2003 D usually made the required takles while in 2004 they missed them. Tackling is the MOST important thing a defensive player does!

[heatman28]

This is not even a legitamate question. Sanders doesn't even fit into the category that Green was in and didn't play half as long. Darrell Green was the greatest cornerback to EVER play the game period!!!