Poll: Offseason swap with Dallas?

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by jrockster77

And I can't fully remember what was said about Henson when he came out, but Campbell was the #2 quarterback on a lot of people's draft boards this year.

Many thought Henson could have been a number 1 overall pick had he continued on with his football career. He has some of the necessary skills to be at least a competent QB ala Chad Pennington, but has been away from the game for a few years.

He's in the exact same position he was in a year ago, the young backup learning how to be a QB in the NFL. Anybody who believes they know for sure one way or the other how his career will turn out is full of it, but just like Campbell, he could pan out or he could bust.

One thing to remember, though. When Parcells handpicked Pennington with the Jets, just like he did with Henson, he sat for 2 years behind Testaverde, and this was coming off a superb 4 year collegiate career. Then, after Parcells was ready to leave Pennington took over as the starting QB. What do you think Parcells would do with a guy a few years removed from the game?

IMO, Henson could be ready next year, but it's more likely that the 2007 season is the year Henson really can come in and take over the team. Oh, and it just so happens Bledsoe's contract is designed as a 2 year deal. Maybe Parcells doesn't ignore the future as many of you may like to think.

[JRAB]

Like has already been said, it isn't a fair question but I'll play along.

I'd take Dallas' offseason over ours.

That's not to say that I don't like what we've done. I think Campbell has a real good chance to be our QB for years to come... and be a good one at that. Plus, I think Rogers is going to be one of the best corners in the NFL in a couple of years. And I think our new center was a heck of a pick up.

However, we lost two really good players in Smoot and Pierce and we've had quite a bit of turmoil (Taylor, Arrington, lost OTA's, etc.)

Dallas hasn't had one, single negative occurance this offseason. To me that is part of an offseason's success.

As much as I hate to admit it, their draft was very good.

Marcus Spears as our LDE and DeMarcus Ware as our RDE sure would look good. Our pass rush would be GREATLY improved. To me, the DL is the most pressing area of the defense that need an infusion of talent. Those two guys would've provided it.

Burnett is a super athletic LB and while he might not start over Arrington or Washington, he would be a very welcome addition to the LB corps. Anyone who says McCune is even in the same catagory as Burnett either didn't watch Burnett at Tennessee or thinks muscles equal football production.

Marion Barber is a very good running back and would've been a great backup for Portis (although I like Betts a lot).

Canty could be the steal of the draft and would've at least been a good situational DT on passing downs.

To me, you should build teams from the trenches out and Spears, Ware and Canty would've made a big difference in our defense.

Petitti could turn out to be a good tackle and would provide some good, young depth.

Also, watch out for Ratliff, their 7th rounder. I liked him at Auburn and I think he might surprise a few people.

Throw in Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn at corner and nickel corner; Jason Ferguson at DT; Marco Rivera at G, and Anthony Thomas at RB, and you can see how much they really did add this offseason.

A DL of:

Spears

Ferguson

Griffin

Ware

Would be a great line.

Back them with a LB corps of:

Arrington

Burnett

Washington

and Back them with:

Taylor

Springs

Henry

Bowen

Glenn (nickel back)

and our defense would be awsome.

I'm sure many of you will disagree with me, but I'd take that over what we did.

It wouldn't work though because our needs were different from their's so we wouldn't spend the money where they did. We needed a C and they didn't, they needed a backup RB and we really didn't.

Fun to speculate though.

[Art]

We've had the 6-10 conversation before, and, it didn't go well for Cowboy fans. Do we have to do it again?

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by JRAB

Like has already been said, it isn't a fair question but I'll play along.

I'd take Dallas' offseason over ours.

That's not to say that I don't like what we've done. I think Campbell has a real good chance to be our QB for years to come... and be a good one at that. Plus, I think Rogers is going to be one of the best corners in the NFL in a couple of years. And I think our new center was a heck of a pick up.

However, we lost two really good players in Smoot and Pierce and we've had quite a bit of turmoil (Taylor, Arrington, lost OTA's, etc.)

Dallas hasn't had one, single negative occurance this offseason. To me that is part of an offseason's success.

As much as I hate to admit it, their draft was very good.

Marcus Spears as our LDE and DeMarcus Ware as our RDE sure would look good. Our pass rush would be GREATLY improved. To me, the DL is the most pressing area of the defense that need an infusion of talent. Those two guys would've provided it.

Burnett is a super athletic LB and while he might not start over Arrington or Washington, he would be a very welcome addition to the LB corps. Anyone who says McCune is even in the same catagory as Burnett either didn't watch Burnett at Tennessee or thinks muscles equal football production.

Marion Barber is a very good running back and would've been a great backup for Portis (although I like Betts a lot).

Canty could be the steal of the draft and would've at least been a good situational DT on passing downs.

To me, you should build teams from the trenches out and Spears, Ware and Canty would've made a big difference in our defense.

Petitti could turn out to be a good tackle and would provide some good, young depth.

Also, watch out for Ratliff, their 7th rounder. I liked him at Auburn and I think he might surprise a few people.

Throw in Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn at corner and nickel corner; Jason Ferguson at DT; Marco Rivera at G, and Anthony Thomas at RB, and you can see how much they really did add this offseason.

A DL of:

Spears

Ferguson

Griffin

Ware

Would be a great line.

Back them with a LB corps of:

Arrington

Burnett

Washington

and Back them with:

Taylor

Springs

Henry

Bowen

Glenn (nickel back)

and our defense would be awsome.

I'm sure many of you will disagree with me, but I'd take that over what we did.

It wouldn't work though because our needs were different from their's so we wouldn't spend the money where they did. We needed a C and they didn't, they needed a backup RB and we really didn't.

Fun to speculate though.

Dogg, you can't actually be a Skins fan... I mean, you actually played along and answered the question at hand with brutal honesty. No way I'm buyin a Skins fan that thinks with their brain and not with their heart... no way... I'm sorry!

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by Art

We've had the 6-10 conversation before, and, it didn't go well for Cowboy fans. Do we have to do it again?

:laugh:

[JRAB]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER

Dogg, you can't actually be a Skins fan... I mean, you actually played along and answered the question at hand with brutal honesty. No way I'm buyin a Skins fan that thinks with their brain and not with their heart... no way... I'm sorry!

Yep, I'm a Skins fan.

Some years we have a better offseason some years Dallas does. A team's cap will be in shape or out of shape from season to season. Some drafts just fall right, like it did this year for Dallas. Sometimes the right people are available in free agency and sometimes they aren't. Need a DE? Some years he's sitting there in free agency and some year's he's not.

It all just fell right for Dallas since the end of the season.

The last few offseasons, the Redskins did better than Dallas, and you know how much that helped come regular season.

Don't get too ****y about the what Dallas did this year, because that always doesn't translate to the field come opening day.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by JRAB

Yep, I'm a Skins fan.

Some years we have a better offseason some years Dallas does. A team's cap will be in shape or out of shape from season to season. Some drafts just fall right, like it did this year for Dallas. Sometimes the right people are available in free agency and sometimes they aren't. Need a DE? Some years he's sitting there in free agency and some year's he's not.

It all just fell right for Dallas since the end of the season.

The last few offseasons, the Redskins did better than Dallas, and you know how much that helped come regular season.

Don't get too ****y about the what Dallas did this year, because that always doesn't translate to the field come opening day.

I see your new.. I guess the "others" haven't gotten to you yet.. but you're actually right. Dallas has to put it all together on the field. The anticipation is what makes football so exciting. Witnessing future greatness and success stories is what the game is all about. What you just said is so accurate. Sometimes the stars just have to align right to have success. Drafting Emmitt Smith with the 17th overall pick--- the Herchel trade....grabbing Charles Haley... NE picking Brady in the 6th round.... etc... While I don't think the Skins offseason was particularly impressive.... I worry most about the irony of you actually improving with an un-Danny like spending spree of an offseason and over-hyped expectations..

[cakmoney61]

Originally posted by goose34

I don't want to get into this debate because fans from either side have their arguments, but isn't it very unfair to call Campbell a possible franchise QB? If not, Dallas has every right to call Henson a possible franchise QB. Henson may never develop but it is safe to say NFL people were higher on Henson several years ago then they were with Campbell. Now Campbell may be the safer bet to be a starting QB due to not taking a break but to call him a potential franchise QB is Homerism at its best imo.

This is not homerism! If Gibbs doesn't see Campbell as a potential franchise quarterback, then he is an idiot of epic proportions! How can you possibly call that homerism?! I can't believe you said that!!!!!!!!!

[Art]

Dallas can't call Henson a possible franchise QB because he hasn't played QB for several years. Henson may become a franchise QB, with a few years of learning and seasoning, but, the simple fact that Cowboy fans continue to use the glaringly idiotic position that "had Henson continued to play QB he could have been a first round pick."

Sure. Had I continued to grow, I could be a millionaire and NBA MVP. I didn't continue to grow. Henson didn't continue to play football. A WHOLE lot of very good players as freshmen in college are deemed possible first round picks if they continue to play and progress. Henson didn't.

Campbell DID progress. He got better as he played and performed very well before he left school. And, he got drafted highly because he continued to play and continued to improve. He is a possible franchise QB because he's played QB. Henson is a project who may have talent, but, who is so far removed from the game it'll take time JUST to get him back to where he was at Michigan.

All QBs on every roster in the NFL are potential franchise QBs. Kurt Warner as an example. Anyone can get a chance and light it up. You never know. But, suggesting Campbell is potentially more likely to achieve this level is far more reasonable than to suggest Henson is.

Here's a look at Henson:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/henson_drew

Here's a look at Campbell:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/campbell_jason

Not only was Campbell a better prospect in high school, but he played better than Henson in college AND he's a better athlete overall. So, in any way one measures a player, Campbell is ahead of Henson. AND Campbell is younger.

Henson may wind up a great pro while Campbell is cut in three years. But, we have a great deal more reason to recognize Campbell's potential to develop than you let on, and Henson doesn't even rate a mention. After this I suspect you know that.

[cakmoney61]

Originally posted by JRAB

Like has already been said, it isn't a fair question but I'll play along.

I'd take Dallas' offseason over ours.

That's not to say that I don't like what we've done. I think Campbell has a real good chance to be our QB for years to come... and be a good one at that. Plus, I think Rogers is going to be one of the best corners in the NFL in a couple of years. And I think our new center was a heck of a pick up.

However, we lost two really good players in Smoot and Pierce and we've had quite a bit of turmoil (Taylor, Arrington, lost OTA's, etc.)

Dallas hasn't had one, single negative occurance this offseason. To me that is part of an offseason's success.

As much as I hate to admit it, their draft was very good.

Marcus Spears as our LDE and DeMarcus Ware as our RDE sure would look good. Our pass rush would be GREATLY improved. To me, the DL is the most pressing area of the defense that need an infusion of talent. Those two guys would've provided it.

Burnett is a super athletic LB and while he might not start over Arrington or Washington, he would be a very welcome addition to the LB corps. Anyone who says McCune is even in the same catagory as Burnett either didn't watch Burnett at Tennessee or thinks muscles equal football production.

Marion Barber is a very good running back and would've been a great backup for Portis (although I like Betts a lot).

Canty could be the steal of the draft and would've at least been a good situational DT on passing downs.

To me, you should build teams from the trenches out and Spears, Ware and Canty would've made a big difference in our defense.

Petitti could turn out to be a good tackle and would provide some good, young depth.

Also, watch out for Ratliff, their 7th rounder. I liked him at Auburn and I think he might surprise a few people.

Throw in Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn at corner and nickel corner; Jason Ferguson at DT; Marco Rivera at G, and Anthony Thomas at RB, and you can see how much they really did add this offseason.

A DL of:

Spears

Ferguson

Griffin

Ware

Would be a great line.

Back them with a LB corps of:

Arrington

Burnett

Washington

and Back them with:

Taylor

Springs

Henry

Bowen

Glenn (nickel back)

and our defense would be awsome.

I'm sure many of you will disagree with me, but I'd take that over what we did.

It wouldn't work though because our needs were different from their's so we wouldn't spend the money where they did. We needed a C and they didn't, they needed a backup RB and we really didn't.

Fun to speculate though.

The Cowboys had an outstanding offseason (potentially)! :notworthy Anyone who says otherwise simply has their heads in the sand. On a scale of 1 to 32 (teams), however, they are still a 32 on my list of favorite teams. But, man, they had a potentially great offseason.

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by Art

Dallas can't call Henson a possible franchise QB because he hasn't played QB for several years. Henson may become a franchise QB, with a few years of learning and seasoning, but, the simple fact that Cowboy fans continue to use the glaringly idiotic position that "had Henson continued to play QB he could have been a first round pick."

This is basically what I said. The only reason I brought up the possiblity of Henson being a number one pick is because somebody said

And I can't fully remember what was said about Henson when he came out, but Campbell was the #2 quarterback on a lot of people's draft boards this year.

There was talk that Henson could have been a top overall pick and someone asked what was said of him coming out, that is why I mentioned it, not because I thought it was a harbringer of what is to come in Henson's career.

In my post, I was saying Henson could be a franchise QB or he could be a bust, but because of Parcells' handling of Pennington in New York, after a stellar 4 year career in college, there is no reason for Cowboy fans to fret just yet. Then I went on to say that since Bledsoe's contract is structured as a 2 year deal, and that, IMO, 2007 would be the year Henson could come in and play QB at a high level, Parcells doesn't ignore the future as many Redskin fans would like to believe.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

The fact that it is so close on a Redskins board shows who had the better offseason.

We are not exactley the most objective bunch.

[SonnyJ]

Originally posted by Simpleton

but because of Parcells' handling of Pennington in New York, after a stellar 4 year career in college

Didn't Parcells give up the coaching reins in NY before Pennington became a Jet? Given that, how could you point to that as a model for the handling of Henson, a guy coming off of a long layoff from football and not nearly the experience Pennington had in college?

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by SonnyJ

Didn't Parcells give up the coaching reins in NY before Pennington became a Jet? Given that, how could you point to that as a model for the handling of Henson, a guy coming off of a long layoff from football and not nearly the experience Pennington had in college?

The same thing randomly popped into my head a few hours after posting, and I think you're probably right. But even so, Parcells was still GM of the team, still had alot of influence over how the team was ran, and the handling of the two is eerily similar. In fact, if I had to compare Henson to anybody in terms of his career up to this point and in terms of any future success, it'd be Pennington. For some reason they just strike me as similar.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull

The fact that it is so close on a Redskins board shows who had the better offseason.

We are not exactley the most objective bunch.

Post of the year!

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by JRAB

However, we lost two really good players in Smoot and Pierce and we've had quite a bit of turmoil (Taylor, Arrington, lost OTA's, etc.)

Well, considering I asked you not to consider that in your decision, and base it solely on personnell, then I hoped that didn't tip the scales.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull

The fact that it is so close on a Redskins board shows who had the better offseason.

We are not exactley the most objective bunch.

I don't think this vote would indicate either way who had the better offseason; none of us on this board (save Andyman......maybe :whoknows: ) can be considered "experts" in the NFL world.

I only posted this poll in a response to a comment from a cowturd fan that anyone on this board would swap offseasons (draft and FA) with Dallas in a second.

We'll have to wait until at least the end of the season to find out who had the better offseason. If in 5 years Campbell and Rogers are pro-bowlers, and Spears, Ware or Burnett are busts, what would you say then? There really is no way to tell.

And maybe its homerism, but I think the Skins offseason was perfect. They addressed every need they had. I'm not saying the Turds had a bad offseason, just that the Skins was perfect for the skins.