Mickalino's Most Overrated Redskins.

[@DCGoldPants]

you were the one who gripes about post counts........ I was the one who asked for quality.

Seems that we both have failings.

I post a lot with little to say.....you don't post a lot with nothing to say.

your weekend of posting here while being "outside" is enough.

[Mickalino]

Originally posted by zoony

Well Om closed the ST thread.

I don't have the balls to start a new one... :laugh:

Can we bring the discussion over here? It's an improvement over you guys bickering like an old married couple

I dont know, man.

The way this thread's goin, this one'll be closed soon, as well

[36SKINS56]

cooley defines what all redskins should aspire to be...you are crazy to have him on this list!

[Mickalino]

Originally posted by Bufford

you were the one who gripes about post counts........ I was the one who asked for quality.

Uh, where is this quality that you speak of ?

You have yet to contribute ANYTHING relevant to this thread. Rather you've decided to hi-jack it with petty squabblings and un-documented personal agendas you have with me.

If that's not enough to prove your hypocritical lack of quality, I'll be glad to bring up other threads, like the Chris Cooley thread

[PCS]

I have this sudden urge to say " Go to your rooms." Can't explain it.

[zoony]

:rotflmao:

you're on a roll...

:laugh:

[GSF]

Originally posted by Mickalino

First off, I'm not saying that these players suck, by any means.

They are just not worthy of the pedestal that so many fans place them on.

Antonio Brown

Robert McCune

Taylor Jacobs

Chris Cooley

Rock Cartwright

McCune overrated? You must be crazy! Haven't you seen the size of his muscles?

[skinshog]

Originally posted by GSF

McCune overrated? You must be crazy! Haven't you seen the size of his muscles?

Muscles don't really equal a great football player. Though I don't think he's overated cuz really, he's not even that rated. I'm excited to see what he can offer the team, but it'll take more than muscle.

[scruffylookin]

Originally posted by jrockster77

Excellent post! These players should be on pedestals, as players who are TRUE Redskins!

BTW, Cooley was a 3rd round pick

Thanks.

We selected Cooley in the 3rd round, but didn't we have to trade a 2nd round pick (2004) in order to acquire the 3rd round pick to select him?

Either way, I think the guys on Mickalino's list are on pedestals with some fans because of their perceived (or real) character and heart and not on field performance (Cooley being the exception right now).

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Mickalino

First off, I'm not saying that these players suck, by any means.

They are just not worthy of the pedestal that so many fans place them on.

Antonio Brown

Robert McCune

Taylor Jacobs

Chris Cooley

Rock Cartwright

I agree with all of these accept Cooley and Cartwright.

Cooley gave us a solid year last year, IS a hard working and a tough guy, no wonder people love him.

Rock is a "whatever it takes" team player type of guy. He'll do whatever is asked of him and do it well and you never hear a word out of him. A Redskins in the truest sense of the word imo.

Brown, Taylor, and McCune have yet to show anyone anything, we've seen flashes of skill but much like Cooley, they need to produce all season long consistantly.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by DieselPwr44

Add Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington to that list and take Cooley off please........

I disagree, ST had a good year last year football wise. Lavar has always been a little over rated imo. His potential has carried his reputation for years. I'm looking forward to seeing him live up to that potential with a full season in this defense

However I do agree, Cooley belongs no where near this list

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Blondie

Mick,

Just so YOU know, Rock has been on MY pedestal for 7 years. Long before ANYONE knew who he was........or that he could play ball. And he will be on MY pedestal for many years to come.......on and off the field.

And whether you or anyone else thinks he is overrated is really ok. Each of us have opinons.

Just like we all have ********

Blondie

Well said. I've loved Rock since his rookie year. Reminded me a lot of myself in a football sense. Same build, nearly the same style of running. I would have loved to see this guy run behind a decent offensive scheme. Only real shot he had was behind Spurrier's ridiculous excuse for an O line. Worlds of heart I hope we see him more this year.

Would love to see a two back set with Portis and Rock, the D would go nuts trying to figure out who we'd give the ball to. Two complete different styles of running, each complimenting themselves. Oh well I can dream right? ;p

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Mickalino

So how do you propose we overcome our 6-10 record and become solid pro-bowl players ?

Cut down penalties, turn overs. Consistant coaching and a year under their belt will be a big help..

The big ? mark is Patrick Ramsey in my opinion. Last year, I saw a superbowl caliber Defense, with a Pee Wee calibur offence. That wasn't all PR's fault, be he has to step up and fight for his job.

[Tommy-the-Greek]

Originally posted by DieselPwr44

Add Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington to that list and take Cooley off please........

I'll 2nd that opinion. What more did you want from a rookie last season out of Cooley? It is in the very least too early to put him on that list. Let's see what kind of year he has this year and we can discuss him next year.

[kroiz]

Mickalino is right. It's amazing the love this Cooley guy gets. The Skins gave up a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for him. Wasn't the 2nd a top 10 pick in that round in this year's draft...a top 44 player??? Cooley is an average player, a poor man's Frank Wycheck at best. If opposing defenses wanted to take Cooley away he wouldn't do much.

[denverdan]

Cooley exceded all rookie expectations and was one of the few bright spots on the entire offense at a difficult position, he remains on my pedestal.

[Beaudry]

The attacks on Mick in this thread are just not called for. Some of you are such big homers that you can't see the forest through the trees.

Cooley is an average NFL tight end. That's not a bad start for a rookie, but it is what it is. He's got NFL hands, for sure. He seems to move well enough, not Tony Gonzalez, but he'll do enough.

Chris Cooley can't block. Being a TE who can't block in a Joe Gibbs offense hurts the team. Cooley gets blown up at the line way to often. He definately can't man-up a DE and he regularly had problems with linebackers. I can't remember ever seeing Cooley get a push in run blocking.

Fans here seem to think Cooley is a top #5 TE in the league. He's not. He's an average NFL TE who is good in the passing game and a bad blocker. Luckily he is young and may improve his blocking.

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I don't think anybody overrates Rock anymore. I think most of us realize he's just a special teamer. For a while, though, he was king of the roost among the fans.

This McCune fascination is 95% non-football related. He's not even the best linebacker we drafted this year.

Jacobs is pure potential with no production. We have a hole at WR and fans need to fill it.

Brown hasn't done enough for me to even have a real opinion on him.

[denverdan]

Originally posted by kroiz

Mickalino is right. It's amazing the love this Cooley guy gets. The Skins gave up a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for him. Wasn't the 2nd a top 10 pick in that round in this year's draft...a top 44 player??? Cooley is an average player, a poor man's Frank Wycheck at best. If opposing defenses wanted to take Cooley away he wouldn't do much.

Cooley was worth a first round pick. If opposing defenses concentrated only on Cooley it would open up the rest of the field

[budski]

Beaudry,

For a rookie he did real well especially if you look at how confused everyone else was on the team. Comparing him to the top TE in the league is apples and oranges comparing him to how the other recievers produced on the skins he was exceptional taking into account his rookie status.

[@DCGoldPants]

Player Team G Rec Yds Yds/G Lng Avg TDs 20+ 40+
Antonio Gates SD 15 81 964 64.3 72 11.9 13 14 1
Tony Gonzalez KC 16 102 1258 78.6 32 12.3 7 19 0
Bubba Franks GB 16 34 361 22.6 29 10.6 7 3 0
Daniel Graham NE 14 30 364 26.0 48 12.1 7 6 1
Jason Witten DAL 16 87 980 61.2 42 11.3 6 13 1
Alge Crumpler ATL 14 48 774 55.3 49 16.1 6 17 2
Marcus Pollard IND 13 29 309 23.8 31 10.7 6 3 0
Chris Cooley WAS 16 37 314 19.6 31 8.5 6 3 0
Jeremy Shockey NYG 15 61 666 44.4 38 10.9 6 10 0
Mark Campbell BUF 12 17 203 16.9 27 11.9 5 2 0

considering that he wasn't really a "TE". Those are decent numbers for a rookie.

[Walking Deadman]

Originally posted by Beaudry

The attacks on Mick in this thread are just not called for. Some of you are such big homers that you can't see the forest through the trees.

Cooley is an average NFL tight end. That's not a bad start for a rookie, but it is what it is. He's got NFL hands, for sure. He seems to move well enough, not Tony Gonzalez, but he'll do enough.

Chris Cooley can't block. Being a TE who can't block in a Joe Gibbs offense hurts the team. Cooley gets blown up at the line way to often. He definately can't man-up a DE and he regularly had problems with linebackers. I can't remember ever seeing Cooley get a push in run blocking.

Fans here seem to think Cooley is a top #5 TE in the league. He's not. He's an average NFL TE who is good in the passing game and a bad blocker. Luckily he is young and may improve his blocking.

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I don't think anybody overrates Rock anymore. I think most of us realize he's just a special teamer. For a while, though, he was king of the roost among the fans.

This McCune fascination is 95% non-football related. He's not even the best linebacker we drafted this year.

Jacobs is pure potential with no production. We have a hole at WR and fans need to fill it.

Brown hasn't done enough for me to even have a real opinion on him.

As for your Cooley comments......

I agree, he needs to improve his blocking technique (as I said in an earlier post) in passing and for Portis since he's an H-back in Gibbs' system and not a TE.

If Cooley was a TE, would he be top 5....probably not (top 10 maybe though).

You want to know why people have put Cooley on a pedestal?

Two reasons I can think of:

1. The Redskins (and their fans) got alot of crap about choosing Taylor over Winslow and then picking an "unknown" like Cooley. Heck, even Parcells didn't think Cooley would make it in the NFL. Yet Cooley had a decent year.....didn't run his mouth and hasn't gotten into trouble like one of his fellow Redskins draftees of 2004.

2. Cooley led the team in receiving TDs (6) over Coles, Gardner etc... Cooley was the #4 reciever on the team (below Coles, Gardner and Portis) and rarely did it seem that Cooley dropped passes vs how many drops did we see from Coles, Garner, Portis, Royal etc.....

Does any of this make Cooley the next Heap, Sharpe or Gonzales?

Nope....not even close, but what he is ----IS a reliable player that seems to fit in this Redskins system. Cooley gets open and catches passes. He needs to improve his skills but when the Redskins have had so many lousy FA's, trades and blown drafts over the years and not a winning season since 1999, a guy like Cooley provides the fan base with somebody to root for........something that the Skins have lacked in awhile.

[Major Harris]

Originally posted by Beaudry

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Chris Cooley can't block. Being a TE who can't block in a Joe Gibbs offense hurts the team. Cooley gets blown up at the line way to often. He definately can't man-up a DE and he regularly had problems with linebackers. I can't remember ever seeing Cooley get a push in run blocking.

Fans here seem to think Cooley is a top #5 TE in the league. He's not. He's an average NFL TE who is good in the passing game and a bad blocker. Luckily he is young and may improve his blocking.

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COOLEY IS NOT A TE!

cooley plays h-back, which is a hybrid (i'm sure you know). if cooley couldn't block, i doubt he'd get so much time on the field considering the blocking duties that hb entails. lead blocker from time to time.

but blocking isn't really what he's here for. he's a receiver, and he did an admirable job of that while managing to bring zero negative attention to the team. he just comes to work.

[Beaudry]

Fine, I concede that Cooley is a top 5 H-back.... about 5 teams use H-backs, right?

H-back/TE is roughly the same thing, and for comparison sake, you have to lump them together because only a few teams use H-backs.

Lots of guys come to work, play hard and don't cause trouble. That doesn't make them a good player. Brandon Noble and Ryan Clark don't get much attention, and they do the same thing.

I think the Winslow/Taylor 1st pick theory is probably correct. Still, just because Cooley did better than expected doesn't mean that he's going to be a great football player.

[GSF]

Originally posted by skinshog

Muscles don't really equal a great football player. Though I don't think he's overated cuz really, he's not even that rated. I'm excited to see what he can offer the team, but it'll take more than muscle.

But McCune's muscles are so humongus. He's going to be the best LB in the NFL with those big muscles!

[Major Harris]

Originally posted by Beaudry

Fine, I concede that Cooley is a top 5 H-back.... about 5 teams use H-backs, right?

H-back/TE is roughly the same thing, and for comparison sake, you have to lump them together because only a few teams use H-backs.

Lots of guys come to work, play hard and don't cause trouble. That doesn't make them a good player. Brandon Noble and Ryan Clark don't get much attention, and they do the same thing.

I think the Winslow/Taylor 1st pick theory is probably correct. Still, just because Cooley did better than expected doesn't mean that he's going to be a great football player.

about 5 teams use the term h-back, but most teams use them in some way. when a slot receiver is tight to the line, that's an h-back. but that's off topic.

i just don't see how cooley is overrated by many people. if people put him in the heap/ gonzalez class, then yes. but i have never personally witness this. most opinions that i read are that he is a solid player, with good hands and a good head. definitely worthy of a 2nd round pick.